<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post"></div> Yes, Kobe, look smug and brush your shoulders off. There's no way you'd ever stoop to such a classless and punk ass level. Oh wait...
^^ He also got hit with a deserved 2 game suspension for the retaliation foul and immature post game comments. So Raja Bell should expect the same.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ He also got hit with a deserved 2 game suspension for the retaliation foul and immature post game comments. So Raja Bell should expect the same.</div> Absolutely Raja should be suspended; you can't lose it like that in a playoff game, especially against the other team's superstar. Not defending Raja's actions at all, just noting that Kobe isn't always the victim as some would have you beleive
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Absolutely Raja should be suspended; you can't lose it like that in a playoff game, especially against the other team's superstar. Not defending Raja's actions at all, just noting that Kobe isn't always the victim as some would have you beleive </div> Most Laker fans took exception to Kobe Bryant fouling Mike Miller and had no problem about him getting hit with a two game suspension. I'm just looking forward to an exciting Game 6. It's been a great series and hopefully the terrible officiating doesn't outshine the performances of the players in these games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Most Laker fans took exception to Kobe Bryant fouling Mike Miller and had no problem about him getting hit with a two game suspension. I'm just looking forward to an exciting Game 6. It's been a great series and hopefully the terrible officiating doesn't outshine the performances of the players in these games.</div> It's definitely been an exciting series; how often is the 2-7 matchup arguably the most hotly contested and action-packed series of them all? I'll be interested how the Laker fans react back home; and if Raja even shows up in street clothes
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">you know, i lost a lot of respect for Nash tonite ... he's complaining about the officiating saying its unequal and that ppl will focus on raja bells foul because its kobe .... newsflash nash, people will focus on it because HE CLEARLY INTENTIONALLY TRIED TO HARM HIM! and he's doing this right after the most lopsidedly officiated game for the suns. I'm not saying the refs won/loss this game, bu they were extremely inconsistent tonite and that's the reason it got out of hand at the end. And wanna be tough guy Raja Bell needs to stop flopping constantly and faking fouls if he really wants me to believe he's tough</div> You really don't know what defense is. Do you expect to stand still to take a forearm to the chest from a 6"6 230 pound of mostly muscle in Kobe Byrant? Raja took a hit and he fell down. Raja Bell stayed balanced infront of Kobe, and made Kobe go to work if he wanted to score. Raja Bell has done a great job defensively, but in the NBA, the rules favor offense, and Kobe is too good to be on lock down for the rest of the game. I did notice Raja Bell holding Kobe down to 8 minutes, not bad. I don't see why Laker fans should be bitter, Kobe is finally getting some competition, and his average in the playoff is about 22 ppg, his regular season average is 35. Raja Bell has forced Kobe to pass more often, which is benefiting the Lakers, because Lamar Odom has dominated Shawn Marion, and Brown has been productive also. About the hard foul Raja gave, it was overboard, but in the plays with alot of intesity I'm not suprised, I see it all the time in basketball games in the street, and it happend plenty of times in the 90's. Raja Bell brings that old school style to the game, none of that finnese crap this league is loaded with. Raja Bell will get suspend, the foul was overboard, I agree. But I wish I could see Kobe and Bell go at it in, suspending him will only take away flavor from the series. and Raja Bell is one of the toughest guys in the NBA, don't take away his basketball credibility, especially when you lack of one. Raja Bell as a rookie was brought in the defend Ray Allen and Kobe Bryant in the playoffs as a 76er. Dude in Utah held people on lock, with Arroyo at guard. This is why Bell is my favorite non PR players, I love the passion and pride he brings to the game. No one in the NBA has alot of pride in their defense anymore. Raja Bell took his job seriously and gave it a total effort where nothing came easy for Kobe. Kobe had a good game, because he's the best shooting guard in the NBA, not even a good defender will stop him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post">The day the Suns win game 5 will be the day we have christmas in july.</div> Christmas in July sounds fun.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">You really don't know what defense is. Do you expect to stand still to take a forearm to the chest from a 6"6 230 pound of mostly muscle in Kobe Byrant? Raja took a hit and he fell down. Raja Bell stayed balanced infront of Kobe, and made Kobe go to work if he wanted to score. Raja Bell has done a great job defensively, but in the NBA, the rules favor offense, and Kobe is too good to be on lock down for the rest of the game. I did notice Raja Bell holding Kobe down to 8 minutes, not bad. I don't see why Laker fans should be bitter, Kobe is finally getting some competition, and his average in the playoff is about 22 ppg, his regular season average is 35. Raja Bell has forced Kobe to pass more often, which is benefiting the Lakers, because Lamar Odom has dominated Shawn Marion, and Brown has been productive also. About the hard foul Raja gave, it was overboard, but in the plays with alot of intesity I'm not suprised, I see it all the time in basketball games in the street, and it happend plenty of times in the 90's. Raja Bell brings that old school style to the game, none of that finnese crap this league is loaded with. Raja Bell will get suspend, the foul was overboard, I agree. But I wish I could see Kobe and Bell go at it in, suspending him will only take away flavor from the series. and Raja Bell is one of the toughest guys in the NBA, don't take away his basketball credibility, especially when you lack of one. Raja Bell as a rookie was brought in the defend Ray Allen and Kobe Bryant in the playoffs as a 76er. Dude in Utah held people on lock, with Arroyo at guard. This is why Bell is my favorite non PR players, I love the passion and pride he brings to the game. No one in the NBA has alot of pride in their defense anymore. Raja Bell took his job seriously and gave it a total effort where nothing came easy for Kobe. Kobe had a good game, because he's the best shooting guard in the NBA, not even a good defender will stop him.</div> hes only averaging 22 because hes not taking over like he did in the regular season, he trusts his teammates.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dtpxcore:</div><div class="quote_post">hes only averaging 22 because hes not taking over like he did in the regular season, he trusts his teammates.</div> So Raja Bell has nothing to do with it at all?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">So Raja Bell has nothing to do with it at all?</div> well, in the regular season kobe always scored a lot of points against the suns, like the 51 point game. raja can not guard kobe at all. the only reason why he isnt scoring as much is when we share the ball, we have a better chance of winning
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hustler:</div><div class="quote_post">Christmas in July sounds fun.</div> Good one, I'd never thought the zebras were once again going to determine the outcome of a game. But the Lakers lost the refs didnt but dont worry, we'll close them out tommorow.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">well, in the regular season kobe always scored a lot of points against the suns, like the 51 point game. raja can not guard kobe at all. the only reason why he isnt scoring as much is when we share the ball, we have a better chance of winning</div> So they tried to lose in the regular season, since Kobe went off? Raja Bell has some good D, I don't see how you can discredit his D at all for Kobe ONLY avg 22 pts in 5 games. Yes he's not shooting as much, but can't part of that be credited to him not having opportunities to shoot because of Bell's D? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post"> Good one, I'd never thought the zebras were once again going to determine the outcome of a game. But the Lakers lost the refs didnt but dont worry, we'll close them out tommorow.</div> I'll be honest, I didn't see the game last night, but when you lose by 17 pts, I don't think you can blame that on the refs. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">just checked the box score and HOLY ****! Kobe: 29 points in 15 minutes!!!!!! BETTER GET READY SUNS, WE GOING TO LA COME GAME 6!</div> btw, where'd you get that, he played 43:03 according to NBA.com http://www.nba.com/games/20060502/LALPHX/boxscore.html
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're willing to jump all over Raja for taking Kobe down but you dismiss Kobe's elbow as "might have been accidental". And to top it off, you didn't even actually watch the game.</div> Just because I didn't "see" the game doesn't mean I can't see it. There are other ways of watching the game. Apparently to everyone here Kobe didn't elbow Raja and he just flopped anticipating it. A lot of other people are saying if his elbow did make contact then it WAS accidental. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So I guess that pitchers don't intentionally hit those guys in that situation? Bell has a right to "stick his head", wherever he wants. Don't be naive, Kobe knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted Bell to back off of him. But I guess you guys can choose to believe whatever you want. Kobe can make all these spectacular/athletic plays but he has no control of his own body when he "accidentally" swings his elbow out at someone's head. </div> I think at this point your making excuses. So nobody is allowed an accident in the NBA according to you....better spread the word. *Runs outside and Yells* NOBODY IN THE NBA IS ALLOWED AN ACCIDENT!!!!! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In most situations, I would say Bell deserves a one-game suspension. But given the circumstances (Phoenix is facing elimination), I hope that doesn't happen. Phoenix is already missing Amare and Kurt Thomas. Just let em play!</div> I agree but you can't let this one go. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">btw, where'd you get that, he played 43:03 according to NBA.com</div> I guess it was a messup because last night it said 15 and something minutes. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll be honest, I didn't see the game last night, but when you lose by 17 pts, I don't think you can blame that on the refs.</div> Argueable at best. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes he's not shooting as much, but can't part of that be credited to him not having opportunities to shoot because of Bell's D?</div> Well if you've seen games 1-4 you'd understand that Kobe is passing the ball more. He even said he wants the young guys to get into it, he also said its more fun playing this way etc. etc. I'm in no way discrediting Raja's D but its different if someone is passing more and actually playing how he plays. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see why Laker fans should be bitter, Kobe is finally getting some competition, and his average in the playoff is about 22 ppg, his regular season average is 35. Raja Bell has forced Kobe to pass more often, which is benefiting the Lakers, because Lamar Odom has dominated Shawn Marion, and Brown has been productive also.</div> He isn't FORCED to pass, he is merely getting his teamates into it. Most of the time when his team is struggling he has come into the 4th quarter taking more shots than normal. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">About the hard foul Raja gave, it was overboard, but in the plays with alot of intesity I'm not suprised, I see it all the time in basketball games in the street, and it happend plenty of times in the 90's. Raja Bell brings that old school style to the game, none of that finnese crap this league is loaded with.</div> Give me a break, streetball and NBA are two different things and even in the 90's they wouldn't tolerate a closeline like that. He also had the nerve to smirk about it. Also if you want streetball go play it, this is the NBA. I don't know what people you play with but if you get closelined on a daily basis then I'd question that style of play at the least, you obviously aint got friends on that court. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ He also got hit with a deserved 2 game suspension for the retaliation foul and immature post game comments. So Raja Bell should expect the same.</div> Kobe deserved his suspension for that foul, I don't think any Laker fan had/has a problem with it.
Well Raja got suspended for one game. Sounds about right. Probably would have been two games in the regular season but this is the playoffs. Bell: "I got a bruised cheek here and I can barely open my jaw on this side," he said, indicating the left side of his face, "and that didn't come from nowhere, and I felt like I'd had enough of that." "When I get hit in the face multiple times, you've stepped across the line with me," he said. "It's not basketball anymore. It was basketball for four games, then when he hit me in the face, that was the last straw last night. It still doesn't excuse me, but that's just the way I felt about it." -------- Sounds like it wasn't just a phantom elbow that some of you guys make it out to be. Sure he's probably overexaggerating a little but something must have set him off. You don't just do something like that out of the blue. He's not Ron Artest. And I enjoyed this little tidbit from Bryant: "I'm not trying to go out there and elbow somebody, that's not the way I play," Bryant said. "If you get elbowed, you still have to keep your cool. I get elbowed all the time." What about the Miller incident? You guys said you lost respect for Nash but how about Kobe being a hypocrite? Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He's not Ron Artest.</div> Since when does Artest do **** like that? If your talking about the Auburn Hills fight it wasn't "out of the blue". <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I enjoyed this little tidbit from Bryant: "I'm not trying to go out there and elbow somebody, that's not the way I play," Bryant said. "If you get elbowed, you still have to keep your cool. I get elbowed all the time." What about the Miller incident? You guys said you lost respect for Nash but how about Kobe being a hypocrite? Gives you something to think about, doesn't it? </div> Again, that was inexcusable from Bryant. Most of the Laker fanbase will agree that he deserved the suspension. Also those were two different circumstances, Kobe got severly elbowed opening a cut on his eye. I would be steamed about that too, Raja on the other hand is either overexaggerating or lying. I doubt Kobe is just throwing elbows into Raja's face for fun. Nonetheless the Miller incident was delt with properly and Kobe got what he deserved. If your gonna call Kobe a hypocrite then you should also call Nash one as well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Raja got suspended for one game. Sounds about right. Probably would have been two games in the regular season but this is the playoffs. Bell: "I got a bruised cheek here and I can barely open my jaw on this side," he said, indicating the left side of his face, "and that didn't come from nowhere, and I felt like I'd had enough of that." "When I get hit in the face multiple times, you've stepped across the line with me," he said. "It's not basketball anymore. It was basketball for four games, then when he hit me in the face, that was the last straw last night. It still doesn't excuse me, but that's just the way I felt about it." -------- Sounds like it wasn't just a phantom elbow that some of you guys make it out to be. Sure he's probably overexaggerating a little but something must have set him off. You don't just do something like that out of the blue. He's not Ron Artest. And I enjoyed this little tidbit from Bryant: "I'm not trying to go out there and elbow somebody, that's not the way I play," Bryant said. "If you get elbowed, you still have to keep your cool. I get elbowed all the time." What about the Miller incident? You guys said you lost respect for Nash but how about Kobe being a hypocrite? Gives you something to think about, doesn't it? </div> Raja Bell can barely move his jaw, he sounded fine on the radio interviews he had today. This guy has a history of being a cheap shot artist. Most of the games are youtube. Him and Kobe are both beating up on one another, the difference is Bell snapped and Kobe didn't. Most Laker fans agreed when Kobe was suspended for elbowing Mike Miller. The 2 games suspension was the right decision. How does it make Kobe a hypocrite? You did see the open gash across Kobe's skull leading up to the retaliation elbow by Kobe right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Raja Bell can barely move his jaw, he sounded fine on the radio interviews he had today. This guy has a history of being a cheap shot artist. Most of the games are youtube. Him and Kobe are both beating up on one another, the difference is Bell snapped and Kobe didn't. Most Laker fans agreed when Kobe was suspended for elbowing Mike Miller. The 2 games suspension was the right decision. How does it make Kobe a hypocrite? You did see the open gash across Kobe's skull leading up to the retaliation elbow by Kobe right?</div> Exactly, an elbow and drawing blood are different IMO. Though it was accidental Kobe didn't know that, and even if he did he deserved the suspension for acting like a kid.
