<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">do you seriously believe Kobe has accomplished more than Bird, Shaq & Malone?? That's got to be a joke. In that list, he may be the most talented and gifted player, but he isn't even close to accomplishing things Bird has done.</div> ummmm.......malone? yes. bird? no. shaq? no. anyways, i missunderstood the topic. i thought it was if he was the "greatest" in talent wise. either way, he has accomplished a lot more than malone in his 10 seasons
Well heres the Resume: 3-time NBA Champion: 2000, 2001, 2002 8-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (has started in each of his appearances) NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002 NBA Scoring Champion: 2006 (35.4) 7-time All-NBA: First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004 Second Team: 2000, 2001 Third Team: 1999, 2005 5-time All-Defensive: First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004 Second Team: 2001, 2002 2-time NBA regular-season leader, points: 2003 (2,461), 2006 (2,832) 2-time NBA regular-season leader, field goals made: 2003 (868), 2006 (978) NBA regular-season leader, field goals attempted: 2006 (2,173) NBA regular-season leader, free throws made: 2006 (696) NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1997 NBA All-Star Slam Dunk Champion: 1997 2nd highest single-game point total in NBA history: 81, set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors. (The record is 100 points set by Wilt Chamberlain on March 2, 1962.) 7th highest single-season point total in NBA history: 2,832, 2005-06 (Top 6 held by Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan) 8th highest single-season scoring average in NBA history: 35.4, 2005-06 (Top 7 held by Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, and Rick Barry) <u>NBA milestones</u> Youngest player in NBA history to reach: 10,000 points (24 years, 193 days), set March 5, 2003 vs. the Indiana Pacers. 14,000 points (26 years, 240 days), set April 20, 2005 vs. the Portland Trail Blazers. 15,000 points (27 years, 136 days), set January 6, 2006 vs. the Philadelphia 76ers. 16,000 points (27 years, 192 days), set March 3, 2006 vs. the Golden State Warriors. Youngest player to start an NBA game (18 years, 158 days), making his first start for the Los Angeles Lakers on January 28, 1997. Youngest player to start an NBA All-Star Game (19 years, 175 days), making his debut at the 48th annual All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden on February 8, 1998. Youngest NBA All-Star Slam Dunk champion (18 years, 175 days), after winning the contest at the 1997 NBA All-Star Weekend. Became the first player ever to outscore the opposing team through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock after scoring 62 points in three quarters of play on December 20, 2005 vs. the Dallas Mavericks. <u>NBA records (8)</u> Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; first player to reach this plateau; tied with Donyell Marshall). [10] Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; tied with 5 players). [11] Most consecutive three-point field goals made, one game: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; first player to reach this plateau; tied with Latrell Sprewell and Ben Gordon). [12] Most free throws made, one quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; tied with 5 players). [13] [14] Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; tied with 6 players). [15] [16] Most All-Star Game three-point field goals made, all-time: 11 (1997?present; tied with Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, and Jason Kidd). [17] Holds records for: Greatest percentage of own team's point total (66.4% of the Lakers' 122 points) Greatest percentage of both teams' combined point total (35.8% of the Lakers' and Raptors' 226 points) (both set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors). <u>Lakers franchise records (30)</u> Points Season: 2,832 (2005-06; 7th highest NBA single season scoring output of all-time) Game: 81 (January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors) [18] Half: 55 (2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors). [19] Quarter: 30 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks) [20] Scoring average, season: 35.4 (2005-06) Scoring average, month: 43.4 (January 2006) Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005-06) [21] Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6?February 23, 2003) [22] Consecutive games of 20 points or more, season: 62 (December 9, 2005?April 19, 2006) Field goals made Half: 18 (2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors). [23] Quarter: 11 (February 2, 1999 vs. Seattle SuperSonics). [24] Field goals attempted Half: 28 (tied with Elgin Baylor; 2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors). [25] Free throws made Game: 23 (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks). [26] Half: 16 (January 30, 2001 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers) [27] Quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks) [28] Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz). [29] Consecutive: 62 (January 11?22, 2006). [30] Free throws attempted Quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks). [31] Three-point field goals made All-time: 799 (1996?present) [32] Game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics). [33] Half: 8 (1st half, March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards). [34] Quarter: 6 (2nd quarter, January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics). [35] Without a miss, game: 7 (January 6, 2006 vs. Philadelphia 76ers). [36] Consecutive: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics). [37] Three-point field goals attempted All-time: 2,379 (1996?present) [38] All-time, playoffs: 381 (1996?present) [39] Season: 511 (2005-06) [40] Game: 18 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics). [41] Steals Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz). [42] Quarter, playoffs: 3 (tied with 6 players; May 17, 1999 vs. San Antonio Spurs). [43] Game: 7 (02/13/06; vs. Utah Jazz) [44} <u>Personal records</u> Second-most points scored in a regular season game in NBA history: 81 (January 22, 2006). One of only two players in NBA history to score 80 points in a single game (the other is Wilt Chamberlain). One of only two players in NBA history to score 35-plus points per game for 13 consecutive games (the other is Wilt Chamberlain). One of only three players in NBA history to score 40-plus points per game for 9 consecutive games (the others are Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain). One of only three players in NBA history to score 45-plus points per game for 4 consecutive games (the others are Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain), and the first to accomplish it since Chamberlain, who did it in November of 1964. One of only two players in NBA history to average 40-plus points per game for an entire month on two separate occasions (40.6 ppg in February 2003, 43.4 ppg in January 2006) (the other is Wilt Chamberlain). Only player in NBA history with at least 2,800 points and 180 three-point field goals made in one season. <u>Other awards and achievements</u> 1996 Naismith High School Player of the Year [45] 1996 Gatorade Circle of Champions High School Player of the Year [46] 1996 McDonald's High School All-American [47] 1996 USA Today All-USA First Team [48] 1995 Adidas ABCD Camp Senior MVP [49] Named to the USA Today All-Time All-USA First Team in 2003. [50] USA Today and Parade Magazine's 1996 National High School Player of the Year with a seasonal average of 30.8 points, 12.0 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 4.0 steals and 3.9 blocks per game. [51] Led Lower Merion High School to a 31-3 record, including 27 straight wins, and the PIAA Class AAAA state title as a senior (1996). [52] The all-time leading scorer in Southeastern Pennsylvania school history with 2,883 points. [53]
I think what Kobe has done has been a great lesson for all sports fan critics to follow. Basically he has shut everyone up and proven to all exactly what he can do. All those people that said he can't win without Shaq, can't score without Shaq, he isn't a team player, he isn't coachable, he's a ballhog, he doesn't make teammates better have all been silenced. These wrong do'ers must now hang their heads in shame for doubting the abilites of one of the greatest players to ever play the game. He has laughed in thier faces, and I hope they remember it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">When people say "can't win", they're don't mean literally "can't win". It's normally reffering to winning at a larger stage. Also I've never heard anyone say Kobe can't score without Shaq, what? Like others said, your ranking as a great does not change after a few games in the NBA first round.</div> Okay....first off, i've said Kobe was great. the best player in the league, 3 rings etc.....he's alwayz been great to me. when i say soldify himself, i mean among others who question him. jus the fact that he's in the playoffs should be great, giving the fact that the majority of ya'll didn't even think he'd lead his team to it. It went from "lets see him make the playoffs" to "wait and see if he gets outta the first round".
The constant debate over Kobe's standing in the annals of NBA history has got to be one of the most pointless things fans can argue about. Since Kobe is and seems to relish (or at least his commercials do) his anti-hero image, he's got his haters, and he's got his hard core fans. There aren't too many unbiased people out there when it comes to Kobe. Also consider that he's in the middle of his career. Who knows where he'll end up standing when all is said and done. There's really no way you can say that right this minute his legacy is greater than so and so or not as great as whoever; what if he destroys his knee next week, or if the Lakers trade for KG in the off season and he wins five more rings, it's simply too soon to classify his all-time standing. Just enjoy his greatness now, instead of worrying about others' opinions of him or how he'll be perceived 50 years from now. If there's anything I've learned as a Packers and Brett Favre fan, it's that 99% of the discussion about him is a bunch of useless crap, and that it's better just to enjoy him while he's here than get all riled up about what people think of him or what the history books will say.
With out any question Kobe has definately solidified his greatness this season. Kobe has always been a great player. But remember untell this season, really both Kobe and Tracy McGrady were the comparision as far as the dominant play of shooting guards. While I always felt Kobe was better than Tracy anyway, for defensive purposes, not to take anything away from Tracy, but Kobe this particular year proved he belongs as the comparision by himself. I think that if the Lakers did end at the 6th seed, instead of Kobe not getting MVP this year, I think he would have been the first to ever get the MVP with All voters in his favor. Which I beleive is a bad rule anyway I beleive any playoff seeding team should be eligable as haveing an MVP. Instead the League insists, a player has to be on atleast a 6th seeded team, or better. Because Kobe and Steve Nash. Come on, Kobe is so much better there isn't even a comparision. Untell this season I thought that people saying Kobe might pass MJ, was stupid. But being a Bulls fan, I'll be the first to say, after this season Kobe is infact in the process right now of passing MJ. I have NBA League Pass, and I've never seen a players break out year, be this good. So yes Kobe has with out any question solidified his greatness this season.
I think this is getting ridiculous, every single time Kobe does somthing regardless of what it is, people are straight on here to claim how that thing makes him the greatest player in the history of the universe. Kobe is a great player, but he is not a god, stop treating him like one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">people are straight on here to claim how that thing makes him the greatest player in the history of the universe. Kobe is a great player, but he is not a god, stop treating him like one.</div> i do agree that people are overzealous everytime Kobe does something great, but no one here treats him like God or the greatest player, who's said that?
look it's real simple Reasons why so many people love Kobe: He shows you what you can achieve with confidence and believing in yourself making the impossible possible. He's got sick athletic skills. still. Reasons why so many people hate Kobe: He's an egomaniac. He comes off as insincere, like we never see the "real" Kobe. With other players what you see is what you get. With Kobe everything is a carefully thought out persona that he chooses to give you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He comes off as insincere, like we never see the "real" Kobe. With other players what you see is what you get. With Kobe everything is a carefully thought out persona that he chooses to give you.</div> sometimes, what he says sounds so PR & Politically Correct, it pisses you off.. but i think at some points he does let the real Kobe come out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">i do agree that people are overzealous everytime Kobe does something great, but no one here treats him like God or the greatest player, who's said that?</div> I've seen lots of people on here before (take your pick of the 1,000,000 Kobe topics) claiming how Kobe is the GOAT.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay....first off, i've said Kobe was great. the best player in the league, 3 rings etc.....he's alwayz been great to me. when i say soldify himself, i mean among others who question him. jus the fact that he's in the playoffs should be great, giving the fact that the majority of ya'll didn't even think he'd lead his team to it. It went from "lets see him make the playoffs" to "wait and see if he gets outta the first round".</div> Whatever you say, I thought they'd make the playoffs in the bottom last year, just like this year. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be super impressed at the fact that they were the 7th seed. I'm also not sure who "y'all" are.
Kobe just solidified it by making Raja Bell look like a fool on national TV. "I don't know this kid, I don't wanna know this kid." That was great!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I've seen lots of people on here before (take your pick of the 1,000,000 Kobe topics) claiming how Kobe is the GOAT.</div> greatest of all time? People have only stated he is already one of the greats but NEVER (atleast not to my knowledge) the greatest. If so, show me, i'm sure you can find atleast 3 out of those "1,000,000" kobe topics).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Wilt Jordan Oscar Kareem Russell Magic Bird Shaq Hakeem Moses K Malone Duncan Which of those players could you put Kobe ahead of?</div> Yes, Rock, you're basketball knowledge must be low or you just don't pay attention to the greats. I agree, Kobe is a great player. And nothing can change that, he has proven to us that he can do it without Shaq. But that still doesn't make him top 10, yet.
One thing about watching a great player or a great team is that you don't know where they rank until the end of their careers. You think people were watching MJ, when he was Kobe's age and thinking where he ranked all time? The hype that people generate these days, at least IMO, lessens the impact of their performance. I love watching Kobe play, but it gets annoying when people constantly try to rank him, or judge him, or label him. Just sit back and enjoy the show. You can worry about his place in history, when he's finished his work.
tonight is kobes biggest game i would say since he's without shaq. Game 7 in Phoenix , kobe now needs to show he is MVP.
