easy Kobe is a great player top 20 maybe but he is no Larry Bird and no Michael Jordan those are the principal players kobe is under the shadow of Shaq, Jordan 5 times mvp, Kobe 0 times mvp, Jordan 6 time chanpion being the principal, kobe 3 times champion being the complement , you can not compared the complement of a team in where Shaq is the principal with a principal player who was under no shadow. Second, you don't need to know somebody to tell he is a gentleman , Jordan does not talk trash about other players Kobe did it with Shaquille and with Raja, he is just an aroogant human being. Is not what kobe could do or what he could not , is what he did, other things are just excuses of the fanatism of people. My point about what Michael did at 40 is just to show that defense was better before than now, because if somebody could go at 40 to the best league of the world and scores 20 or more the defense is not so good, What Jordan did in the star game who was robbed by the way was showing that he was still capable to improve his game if he have a good cast.By the way i did not know that you are the assistant coach of Phil and you know what he told the players to do in the game 7.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">LOLOLOLOL can u find a gamez where MJ scorez liek 12 threes in a gamez? stupid can u find where MJ scores 81??????11</div> because scoring 81 points matters THAT much?? I mean sure it was great..but are you seriously backing up a kobe vs jordan arguement with "jordan couldnt do it, kobe rulezzz"?? Fact..the game is different now, far easier for gaurds to score now and days. Far more free throw attempts because the rules are far tighter on contact of any kind. It doenst matter what jordan did and what kobe did as far as ppg or highest point totals, it's success. Kobe will be judged based on how he performs as a leader for the rest of his career. We'll have to see how that turns out. All i'm saying is that its hard to call the man an MVP watching his team blow a 3-1 series lead and then have his team come out in the final game and not even try. I know it wasnt all his fault but as the leader of the team he's responsible. An MVP shouldnt/couldnt let that happen to his team..he'd inspire them enough to fight out of it. The way Nash did and the way greats of the past have. Kobe hasnt done that yet...stay tuned to find out if he will.
That means at least Kobe is way better than other all-stars who can't even touch the 70 pts mark.....
my point My point is that by today rules jordan in his prime scores like 40 plus a game and he will be the same leader as in the past, but comparison with a guy who is not capable as a leader to defend an advantage of 3-1 is very hard to swallow, Kobe does not won any MVP in his career Jordan have 5 im just saying theres no comparisons between them thats all. I really think Kobe is very good but you need to judge his ability to play on the playoff and is something he will need to show, because when he won the championships he was the complement now he needs to show he could dominate an era of basketball, Larry Bird did it Michael Jordan did it could Kobe could do it , is not winning a championship is a matter of he could be called the new force on the nba right now? When he shows he could beat any opponent in the playoffs and nobody could contain him no matter what then he should be called the new force, but right now he is trying to find his place and i respect that, i think the team should suffer some changes and he will be just fine for the next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Can you find a game where Michael scored 81? That is the issue, start searching and find the game.</div> Oh thats the Issue? So winning games and championships and MVP's and holding on to a 3-1 series lead, and not quiting on your team, and having people like you a lil bit- all thats just secondary, what its really about is scoring 81?? Who was Kobe before he scored 81 then? Back Last Year when he was at 56 --Oh Mcgrady beat that. Oh Iverson beat that. Oh Robinson, Shaq and countless and countless players have beaten that. Whats your argument based on? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This series was fixed..period. The league made a mistake by giving Nash the MVP and didn't want him to lose in the first round.</div> Haha, I wonder how yall idiots can even stand eachother- yall are some clowns <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kobe is a great player in the season but he aint no Michael Jordan who played against, Larry BIrd, Magic Johnson, karl malone, John Stockton, Ewing, Robinson, dominique, Drexler, and so on ----------------------------------------- Kobe has played against Shaq, D-Wade, VC, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash(2 time MVP), Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Ron Artest, T-Mac, Paul Pierce....whats your point? That they are now legends? Most of those I named will be legends in the future as Bird, Johnson, and the others are now. </div> ........................ HAHAHAHAHAHHA ............ what? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That means at least Kobe is way better than other all-stars who can't even touch the 70 pts mark..... </div> Yall are just scratching for anything you can hold onto huh?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">because scoring 81 points matters THAT much?? I mean sure it was great..but are you seriously backing up a kobe vs jordan arguement with "jordan couldnt do it, kobe rulezzz"??</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIRTIGHT:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh thats the Issue? So winning games and championships and MVP's and holding on to a 3-1 series lead, and not quiting on your team, and having people like you a lil bit- all thats just secondary, what its really about is scoring 81?? Who was Kobe before he scored 81 then? Back Last Year when he was at 56 --Oh Mcgrady beat that. Oh Iverson beat that. Oh Robinson, Shaq and countless and countless players have beaten that. Whats your argument based on?</div> If both of you would have read through the whole thread, you would have realised it was a sarcastic comment in return to a post by arelis which said this: "the comparisons about kobe and michael are just an ignorant state of mind in the human being, im not going to llose my time , think what you want, the issue is im trying to find any game in playoff in where mike scores 1 point in the second half and you know what? I can't find one" I'm guesing the "LOLOLOLOL" part at the beginning didn't indicate it was sarcasm either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimmyDMVP:</div><div class="quote_post">its easy to score 81 when you have no team lol</div> I agree that scoring 81 is an individual accomplishment and not something that Laker fans can fall back on in debates, but this comment is out of line. I feel some sarcasm, but if you're serious...please don't be. Tracy never did it, Iverson never did it, Pierce never did it, MJ never did it and Carter never did it in toronto. These are all players at one point in their career where the sole key to winning a game for their team. These were all players that were stuck in bad situations at one point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Tracy never did it, Iverson never did it, Pierce never did it, MJ never did it and Carter never did it in toronto. These are all players at one point in their career where the sole key to winning a game for their team. These were all players that were stuck in bad situations at one point. </div> And then? Who ever said that scoring 81 against Toronto in 1 game was the pinnacle of NBA basketball achievement. - Let alone enough to grant MVP consideration? The fact that tha'ts the extent of most of yall's argument for Kobe as MVP should let us know that you really dont belive he was
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimmyDMVP:</div><div class="quote_post">its easy to score 81 when you have no team lol</div> Easy to score 81 points? Then why did David Robinson need help from his teammates to go over the top to give him a scoring title? They had to help him to get that 71 point game against the Clippers. I think he beat out Shaq for scoring title that season because of that game. It was meaningless game too. They had already secured their seed in the playoffs. Kobe willed his way to 81 points against Toronto. Lets not forget the 62-61 game he threw up against the Western Conference Champions and soon to be NBA champion Dallas Mavs. I'd rather see Dirk get a ring than shaq!
Almost all the great players have an arrogance about them. Well-documented are Larry and Isiah. Kareem had an aloofness that was sometimes interpreted as arrogance. I wonder about Magic, he always had that smile... But Jordan? Not arrogant? On his second title run with the Bulls, I've read somewhere that Toni Kukoc was like his whipping boy for his verbal abuse. When he got to the Wizards, Rip Hamilton was a casualty of his arrogance. And of course, we have Kwame Brown's case, a recovering victim. But you've got to hand it to MJ, he had a great publicity machine, which is why arelis is unaware of His Airness' arrogance. Kobe, on the other hand, needs to take lessons from a PR man, or hire one. Even when he does the right thing, he is still crucified on the cross of public opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting arelis:</div><div class="quote_post"> Second, you don't need to know somebody to tell he is a gentleman , Jordan does not talk trash about other players Kobe did it with Shaquille and with Raja, he is just an aroogant human being. </div> My previous post was in response to the above quote. Besides talking smack now has become part of the NBA game, and it has carried over into the media. Reggie Miller, Gary Payton, and Sam Cassell come to mind as notorious trash-talkers. Phil Jackson trashes entire cities. One thing I don't get is how people say the new rules benefit SG's like Kobe. They only benefit players who get played one on one. Kobe is almost always doubled, sometimes tripled in isolation plays. In Jordan's time, he only gets one defender in isolation or else it's illegal defense. Kobe is the best one-on-one player in the League, yet he can't operate at all times, unlike Jordan. With the new rules, Jordan could not have gotten off that famous Jazz-killing shot of his last Finals if there were more than one Bryon Russell defending.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting batman9970:</div><div class="quote_post">Almost all the great players have an arrogance about them. Well-documented are Larry and Isiah. Kareem had an aloofness that was sometimes interpreted as arrogance. I wonder about Magic, he always had that smile... But Jordan? Not arrogant? On his second title run with the Bulls, I've read somewhere that Toni Kukoc was like his whipping boy for his verbal abuse. When he got to the Wizards, Rip Hamilton was a casualty of his arrogance. And of course, we have Kwame Brown's case, a recovering victim. But you've got to hand it to MJ, he had a great publicity machine, which is why arelis is unaware of His Airness' arrogance. Kobe, on the other hand, needs to take lessons from a PR man, or hire one. Even when he does the right thing, he is still crucified on the cross of public opinion.</div> Oh yeah, Kukoc and Steve Kerr where Jordan's whipping boys. He'd abuse them beyond belief verbally and even physically. In Washington, Jordan was the reason why Richard Hamilton was traded. He didn't like how Hamilton handled himself. And Kwame, he destroyed any confidence Kwame had coming into the league. From day 1, Jordan expected Kwame to be a Jermaine O'neal type impact player, and he wasn't so Jordan abused him physically and verbally.
That's all very interesting. The title of the thread is Kobe Says He's MVP! Written in bold lettering on the top of the page. Are you guys done with that point? What does this thread have anything to do with Michael Jordan? Or Reggie Miller , or Kwame Brown, or Gary Payton? Is the point defeated so you guys decided to change the topic and try to bring these other guys down to Kobe's level for comparison? What at all do these guys, and how they treat the media or talk to teammates, have anything to do with Kobe says he's MVP! ?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">AIR, you do know Kobe Bryant never really said that right?</div> it was just a comic AIR
Whats this thread about then? I see you guys talking about Jordan, Miller, Jordan's relationships with women, Jordan's image in the media, Gary Payton's trash talking on court-- everything but anything having to do with the 06' MVP award
Lighten up AIR. The fact remains that MVP voting is very subjective, and while most of us Laker fans believe Kobe deserved it, a lot of other NBA fans feel he would never be deserving. And the voters that truly mattered voted for Nash. So all that leaves us is to have some laughs from that funny cartoon and discuss whatever comes out of that thread title that had no basis in reality because Kobe never publicly said it. Hopefully, next year he would have another monster year and there would be no discussions necessary.
