Ok, I don't understand how Reggie Evans grabbed Chris Kaman's balls and only gets fined, yet Udonis Haslem who didn't hit anyone with his mouthpiece did. Can someone explain this to me please?
Even though Evans` ball grab was uncalled for, he didn`t push anybody or start anything huge other than Kaman pushing him. Haslem simply tried to throw his mouthpiece at an NBA official. If you ask me, Haslem`s action was more offensive.
Both should be suspended. They both acted like kids. Who throws their mouthguard? The NBA players have shown no class, in the playoffs. Round one isnt even done, and theres been 5 suspensions and 4 fines
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slpnsld23:</div><div class="quote_post">Both should be suspended. They both acted like kids. Who throws their mouthguard? The NBA players have shown no class, in the playoffs. Round one isnt even done, and theres been 5 suspensions and 4 fines</div> Yeah, it's pretty dumb. It's making the crappy refereeing even worse because it's so out of control. I enjoy watching a physical bball game from time to time, but not when it's done as retaliation or whatever. The Suns & Lakers series in particular has been nuts. The refs (and the league) have been way too soft in the first few games and it just escalated. Flagrants should be an auto-ejection with a 1 game suspension (at least in the playoffs). That might just deter some players. Plus fines in the playoffs should be double or triple.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, it's pretty dumb. It's making the crappy refereeing even worse because it's so out of control. I enjoy watching a physical bball game from time to time, but not when it's done as retaliation or whatever. The Suns & Lakers series in particular has been nuts. The refs (and the league) have been way too soft in the first few games and it just escalated. Flagrants should be an auto-ejection with a 1 game suspension (at least in the playoffs). That might just deter some players. </div> After Bell's clothesline on Kobe, do you still feel that way?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">After Bell's clothesline on Kobe, do you still feel that way?</div> Yeah that was my point actually. It's largely because the refs let the series get out of control like that, that Raja felt it was okay to do that to Kobe. As I've said before, I like a physical game where they play hard. And yes the very occasional flagrant foul is sort of entertaining. But the penalties should be a) consistant harsher. Flagrant should be an automatic ejection from the game with possible suspension and a big fine. Imagine this year's playoffs if each flagrant was an auto-eject + 1game suspension and maybe a triple fine. Does anyone really think the playoffs would still have been this dirty so far? I doubt it. As for Bell, I don't think he should get suspended for one reason only: consistancy. If they're not going to suspend Evans, if they're not going to suspend Kwame or Walton.. then no way should Bell be suspended. But just to reiterate, all of them should have been suspended. That is, the rules should have made it so they would be suspended for those fouls. That way they would (hopefully) never have happened in the first place. That would be the best case scenario, deterrence.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah that was my point actually. It's largely because the refs let the series get out of control like that, that Raja felt it was okay to do that to Kobe. As I've said before, I like a physical game where they play hard. And yes the very occasional flagrant foul is sort of entertaining. But the penalties should be a) consistant harsher. Flagrant should be an automatic ejection from the game with possible suspension and a big fine. Imagine this year's playoffs if each flagrant was an auto-eject + 1game suspension and maybe a triple fine. Does anyone really think the playoffs would still have been this dirty so far? I doubt it. As for Bell, I don't think he should get suspended for one reason only: consistancy. If they're not going to suspend Evans, if they're not going to suspend Kwame or Walton.. then no way should Bell be suspended. But just to reiterate, all of them should have been suspended. That is, the rules should have made it so they would be suspended for those fouls. That way they would (hopefully) never have happened in the first place. That would be the best case scenario, deterrence.</div> The fouls Kwame Brown and Luke Walton aren't even close to the same level as what Raja Bell did. I'm really surprised Reggie Evans wasn't suspended, but again Raja Bell attacked a player above the shoulders, he's getting AT LEAST one game, more likely he's getting two. Luke Walton at least made a play on the basketball, he didn't try to hurt Tim Thomas on the play, it was just an awkward landing and a very hard foul. Kwame Brown never elbowed Diaw in the face, he just cleared him to the ground. If Kwame had actually hit Diaw in the face, he would have been suspended for it. I also like physical play, but Raja Bell crossed the line with a blatant cheapshot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">The fouls Kwame Brown and Luke Walton aren't even close to the same level as what Raja Bell did. I'm really surprised Reggie Evans wasn't suspended, but again Raja Bell attacked a player above the shoulders, he's getting AT LEAST one game, more likely he's getting two. Luke Walton at least made a play on the basketball, he didn't try to hurt Tim Thomas on the play, it was just an awkward landing and a very hard foul. Kwame Brown never elbowed Diaw in the face, he just cleared him to the ground. If Kwame had actually hit Diaw in the face, he would have been suspended for it. I also like physical play, but Raja Bell crossed the line with a blatant cheapshot.</div> The thing about Kwame's foul was that it wasn't any part of a play and afterwards he stood over Diaw, menacing him. That should count for something because it speaks volumes about the intent of the foul. As for Walton's foul, yeah it was more or less a "normal" flagrant foul. What pisses me off more is how Kobe pushed one of our guys into TT, knocking him down again. I guess I should just be used to Princess Kobe not getting called for half the crap he does. Also, with regards to Bell's foul on Kobe, one could argue that it was a normal foul that escalated due to frustration and the simple mechanics of how the two players were moving. If it had been as nefarious as some wish to believe, Kobe wouldn't have gotten right back up smiling. Watching the replay, I believe, one can even see the point at which Bell realizes he's gone too far and justs lets go. Granted, he didn't try to stop Kobe's fall but after an eye jab and elbow to the jaw, who can blame him. Either way, the biggest concern for me is consistancy.
Watch it again, Raja Bell delivers a nice slap to the face after the clothesline. Kobe Bryant was likely smiling because he frustrated Raja into losing his composure. I'd like to the see the video again of Kobe elbowing Raja. On the replay they showed last night on TNT, it didn't look like Kobe even hit anything and Raja simply flopped. Kwame Brown shoved Diaw to the floor because Diaw kept hacking his wrists after the play was over. And again, it wasn't above the shoulders, so it didn't warrant a suspension.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Watch it again, Raja Bell delivers a nice slap to the face after the clothesline. Kobe Bryant was likely smiling because he frustrated Raja into losing his composure. I'd like to the see the video again of Kobe elbowing Raja. On the replay they showed last night on TNT, it didn't look like Kobe even hit anything and Raja simply flopped. Kwame Brown shoved Diaw to the floor because Diaw kept hacking his wrists after the play was over. And again, it wasn't above the shoulders, so it didn't warrant a suspension.</div> You don't think the fact that Kwame stood over him like that should count for something? To me it clearly shows the intent of a hard foul, bad attitude and general un-sportsman-like conduct. Not to mention the near-melee it caused afterwards. As for the elbow, I saw it and I don't think Bell would have gone to that much continued trouble to keep up the act, if that's what it was. And the eye gouge was a lot worse in my opinion. Kobe obviously knew Bell was there, but he flung his pointed fingers right at his face. It's been that kind of stuff (back and forth, they're both doing it to varying degrees) that hasn't been addressed by the refs that has allowed for the escalation to the flagrant foul. Obviously the players have to accept responsiblity for their actions but the refs need to do their damned jobs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't think the fact that Kwame stood over him like that should count for something? To me it clearly shows the intent of a hard foul, bad attitude and general un-sportsman-like conduct. Not to mention the near-melee it caused afterwards. As for the elbow, I saw it and I don't think Bell would have gone to that much continued trouble to keep up the act, if that's what it was. And the eye gouge was a lot worse in my opinion. Kobe obviously knew Bell was there, but he flung his pointed fingers right at his face. It's been that kind of stuff (back and forth, they're both doing it to varying degrees) that hasn't been addressed by the refs that has allowed for the escalation to the flagrant foul. Obviously the players have to accept responsiblity for their actions but the refs need to do their damned jobs.</div> The officials have been lousy the entire series, I agree. In Game 4 the officials had called Kobe Bryant for his 4th personal foul in the 2nd Quarter on a reach in. Just a few plays earlier Kobe was hit with his 3rd personal foul on an offensive foul. Next thing you know the officials huddled and assessed the foul to Brian Cook instead. You're right, Kobe and Raja have been beating the crap out of each other the entire series. The officials gave both a technical foul last night as a result. Still no matter what caused Raja to snap isn't relevent and doesn't justify what he did on the court. He's a professional basketball player not a member of the WWE. It was just waiting for Raja Bell to pop out of a corner and hit Kobe with a chair after Kobe got ejected and was walking through the hallway.
