Multiple sources are saying that the Griz are interested in Jamaal Magloire, who the Bucks will almost certainly trade this off season. My question to you Griz fans is: what would you give in return? It would be a dream come true for me if the Bucks traded Magloire straight up for Shane Battier, but Battier is in the second year of a big new deal and the face of Memphis' franchise; I doubt they'd give him up. So, what else would it take to get Magloire? I would consider Eddie Jones for his defense, but he's also getting old, and I think the Bucks would want more than just Jones for Magloire. What are your thoughts about a potential deal?
I'd love to have Magloire on the Grizzlies. We're really lacking in the frontcourt outside of Gasol. If we draft a true point guard like Farmar in the draft and then get another post presence to take pressure off Gasol, I really like our chances of moving on past the first round next season. You have to look at it cap-wise though, and Eddie Jones' contract is way too large to deal for Magloire's. Milwaukee would have to throw in Dan Gadzuric, and I doubt they'd go to that length just to get someone who'll ultimately be backing up Michael Redd. Then outside of Gasol, the next closest contracts are Mike Miller and Shane Battier's, who I wouldn't trade if I had a gun to my head. There is, of course, Brian Cardinal's contract, which is about equal to Magloire's, but Cardinal for Magloire straight up would be lopsided. Damon Stoudamire and Brian Cardinal would be a little more even and would work cap-wise. I don't necessarily see why Milwaukee would do that, but that'd be pretty much the only deal I'd be willing to offer if I were Memphis. I'm ready to give Lorenzen Wright, Bobby Jackson, and Chucky Atkins all the boot, but they're Free Agents anyway, so that's a mood point unless we can figure out a sign-and-trade with the Bucks. Any of those names sound appealing?
The only names I'd be really interested in if I were Larry Harris are Battier and Jones; the biggest, BIGGEST need the Bucks have right now is a wing defender. We had that guy in Dez Mason, but like a moron Harris traded him away The biggest problem with getting a guy like that is the presence of Bobby Simmons; he's a good player, but look at it this way: we need a defensive stopper who plays the 1, 2 or 3. Well, the one is pretty much squared away with TJ, Mo Williams and the Flintstone , and the 2 is where Mike Redd resides. Bobby is a useful scorer and one of the better defenders we have, but he's not a stopper and his contract makes it hard to work around with other trades. Damn you, Larry Harris! We've got one major problem and no way that I can see to fix it...unless you guys wanted to just give us Battier
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">The only names I'd be really interested in if I were Larry Harris are Battier and Jones; the biggest, BIGGEST need the Bucks have right now is a wing defender. We had that guy in Dez Mason, but like a moron Harris traded him away The biggest problem with getting a guy like that is the presence of Bobby Simmons; he's a good player, but look at it this way: we need a defensive stopper who plays the 1, 2 or 3. Well, the one is pretty much squared away with TJ, Mo Williams and the Flintstone , and the 2 is where Mike Redd resides. Bobby is a useful scorer and one of the better defenders we have, but he's not a stopper and his contract makes it hard to work around with other trades. Damn you, Larry Harris! We've got one major problem and no way that I can see to fix it...unless you guys wanted to just give us Battier </div> I can possibly see this happening: Eddie Jones Shane Battier for Jamaal Magloire Bobby Simmons T.J. Ford That deal works cap-wise, and I can see Jerry West doing it, but I'd personally hold onto Shane Battier no matter what offer was thrown at me. Still, the prospect of adding a legit point guard in T.J. Ford as well as Magloire is very intriguing. I like this starting lineup - PG - T.J. Ford SG - Mike Miller SF - Bobby Simmons PF - Jamaal Magloire C - Pau Gasol I guess Milwaukee's would look something like this (?) - PG - Charlie Bell or Mo Williams SG - Michael Redd SF - Shane Battier or Eddie Jones PF - Andrew Bogut C - Dan Gadzuric Maybe we could even throw our draft pick in the mix. I think it's imporant to hold onto it so that we can either acquire a legit point guard or some help for Gasol in the post, but this trade would meet both of those needs, so the pick would be more or less expendable. Overall, this trade seems a bit lopsided. Milwaukee gives up a lot more than they get in return if you just look at it from a statistics point of view, but if you really need perimeter defense that much, you're not going to find a much better option than Shane Battier. Jones would not only give you depth, but he has a huge contract that comes off the books next season too, giving you guys the option of signing an All-Star caliber talent in the summer of '07.
I don't think we could give up TJ, Jamaal and Bobby; that's three starters in exchange for basicly one and a 6th man LOL. I'm sure that Larry's dumb ass would never give up TJ, and I'm partial to him myself; I'd love to see a lineup with TJ, Redd and Battier forming the backcourt How about... Bobby Simmons Jamaal Magloire For: Shane Battier Brian Cardinal Memphis #1 pick That gets rid of the Custodian's bloated contract, though I don't know if Memphis would do it; they get a true 5 in Magloire, but don't improve their situation at the 1. However, with no more problems at the 5 and Stoudamire healthy, they could use some of their other trading pieces in an effort to get a younger 1 from another team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think we could give up TJ, Jamaal and Bobby; that's three starters in exchange for basicly one and a 6th man LOL. I'm sure that Larry's dumb ass would never give up TJ, and I'm partial to him myself; I'd love to see a lineup with TJ, Redd and Battier forming the backcourt How about... Bobby Simmons Jamaal Magloire For: Shane Battier Brian Cardinal Memphis #1 pick That gets rid of the Custodian's bloated contract, though I don't know if Memphis would do it; they get a true 5 in Magloire, but don't improve their situation at the 1. However, with no more problems at the 5 and Stoudamire healthy, they could use some of their other trading pieces in an effort to get a younger 1 from another team. </div> The deal you're suggesting right now would basically bring in only one starter at the price of two, right? So what's so radical about my deal? From what I understand, both Charlie Bell and Maurice Williams are starting-caliber point guards and have at many times during the season been better at running the team than Ford. And you throw the term "Sixth Man" in there so derrogatively. Basically, Eddie Jones could start on 90% of the teams in the NBA, and if you don't want him for his talent, then how about his contract? He makes about 11 million more than Michael Redd, so think about the kind of players you'll be able to sign when his deal comes off the cap. Honestly, do you see the Bucks competing for the title next season, or do you think that it'll take another All-Star caliber player and maybe a little more time and development from Bogut? The way I see it, if you're able to sign one of 2007's big time free agents, such as Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Rashard Lewis, Dirk Nowitzki, Vince Carter, Antwan Jamison, or even Mike Bibby, then you'd have all the pieces for a title contender. Just look at this potential lineup: PG - Mike Bibby SG - Michael Redd SF - Shane Battier PF - Chris Bosh C - Andrew Bogut That's definitely the best case scenario but not impossible to imagine. As for the trade you proposed, it's sort of even talent wise, but I personally wouldn't do it, because I think that Battier's defensive value is much greater than anything Bobby Simmons or Jamaal Magloire brings to the table. However, it's a mood point because the contracts don't even match up. The Grizzlies would have to take on $26 million more than the Bucks in the deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Ah, shoot I only didn't like the deal you proposed because I'd rather not include TJ in any deals.</div> Well, T.J. Ford would satisfy our biggest need right now, so I'd assume he'd be the center of any discussions involving Battier. Besides, with as much as you didn't want to include T.J. Ford in any deals, how do you think I feel about including Battier into any deals? His worth is so much greater than his trade value probably is, because it never shows up on the stat sheets, so odds are that if you deal him, you're going to come up short.
Jamal Magloire is extremely overrated. His offense has been absolutely dreadful the last two seasons.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Jamal Magloire is extremely overrated. His offense has been absolutely dreadful the last two seasons.</div> As overrated as he may be, the Grizzlies could still use him. His offense isn't really what we're looking for anyway; it's his defense. I'm not about to trade away a franchise player for him, but if we can get him in return for one of our role players, why not?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Jamal Magloire is extremely overrated. His offense has been absolutely dreadful the last two seasons.</div> I think not playing with Baron Davis has really hurt him. When he did, Baron would penetrate and attract all the defenders and he'd have a wide open dunk. He's never really been a go to scorer, though he has a decent post game, just look at how often he turns the ball over. I know TJ Ford is a pure PG but I think Baron is a little better at finding open opportunities for his big men. Even if Magloire's offense is down hes still better offensively than most C's today and hes a strong rebounder as well. Speaking of which I'm sure Mullin will make a run at Magloire once he realizes that he has no chance in hell at getting JO or KG. He tried to get Magloire when NOH was shopping him and he tried to get him from the Bucks at the trade deadline. The Warriors only real bargaining chips for the Bucks would be Mickael Pietrus and our first round pick, I'm sure Milaukee likes both but the problem may be having to eat one of GS's long term deals. Maybe Mickael Pietrus, Derek Fisher, and GS's pick (9th overall) for Magloire. Pietrus provides good depth at SG/SF and hes a lock down defender when focused. Hes a good two way player off the bench and already knows Stotts. Fisher isn't a pure point guard but hes a good experienced veteran, Maybe GS could ship him somewhere else though in a 3 way deal, Cleveland, Miami, and Houston would all probably be interested in Fisher. How about Milwaukee getting Pietrus and GS's 9th pick and GS shipping Fisher to Houston who sends Stro Swift to Milwaukee. GS could also ship Fisher to Cleveland and they can send Gooden to Milwaukee in a S&T.
