Laker Fans

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">That's all non-Laker fans hear from the biased and ignorant Laker/Kobe fans.</div>

That's great, I'm glad the feeling is mutual then.

The only person's opinion I really respect on here is Shapecity, that guy is amazing and knows his sh!t, not to mention a great guy.

SO hate me all you want, I won't cry myself to sleep, I promise.

I'm not gonna let some hypocrite like Gators tell me how to think or change my "wrong" ways.

This guy says he's tried of seeing KOBE > RAJA BELL. Yet under his username he has "JOAKIM NOAH > YOU".

And says his opinion is unbiased and has nothing against Lakers or Kobe, yet he just stated couple posts he does.

Unbiased means you don't let your feeling gets involved with your opinion. Go comment on a Raptors vs. Bobcats thread, that'll be unbiased, Gators.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting illmatic:</div><div class="quote_post">
Unbiased means you don't let your feeling gets involved with your opinion.</div>

Try it some time. Then maybe you'll realize that it's 23>8, not 8>23

 

Great observations!

I agree with the origianl post, I don't think personal attacks are relevant in basketball conversation. Nobody enjoys seeing their OPINIONS shot down by insults. My opinions have been thoughtfully responded to and I have been pleasantly surprised by the hospitality on the Laker forum. I see why you are trying to defend yourself Illmatic, it must be hard when eveyone starts to bash you. However, this can easily be avoided by keeping an open-mind. You can't have conversation if you never listen and only talk. I am a hardcore to the bone Suns fan and it is hard to hear people's opinions when they reflect negatively on my team. However, if they are sound viewpoints there is no reason to argue with them but instead further your knowledge with an insight on a different angle to the argument. I enjoy reading posts on this forum, but illmatic it is hard to take your views seriously when as I am reading your replies I can actually feel you screaming through your words. I take my cues from senior members on this site, check the join date's and notice that the veteran fans are almost always respectful and mindful of sound viewpoints.

 

Excellent post Gator. There are some Lakers fans in these boards that speak with bias beyond reasonble comphrehension, to the point that it gets amazingly annoying.

Just because someone posts somehting negative about Kobe does not mean that they are haters. Just because an analyst doesn't pick the Lakers to win does not mean thaT they are haters.

The reason many people on this board hate the Lakers is because of some of the ridiculous fans who are so arrogant that they will not agree with anything that says even the slightest negative about Kobe or the Lakers.

See both sides of the coin. Please.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting illmatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Thank you Gator, and you have proved my point.</div>

Where did I prove your point? btw, thank you for proving my points about getting all defensive over nothing. I have not dissed anyone and you get defensive like I did.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting illmatic:</div><div class="quote_post">That's great, I'm glad the feeling is mutual then.

The only person's opinion I really respect on here is Shapecity, that guy is amazing and knows his sh!t, not to mention a great guy.

SO hate me all you want, I won't cry myself to sleep, I promise.

I'm not gonna let some hypocrite like Gators tell me how to think or change my "wrong" ways.

This guy says he's tried of seeing KOBE > RAJA BELL. Yet under his username he has "JOAKIM NOAH > YOU".

And says his opinion is unbiased and has nothing against Lakers or Kobe, yet he just stated couple posts he does.

Unbiased means you don't let your feeling gets involved with your opinion. Go comment on a Raptors vs. Bobcats thread, that'll be unbiased, Gators.</div>


I never said I'm tired of seeing ___>____, just tired of people saying that Kobe>Raja Bell when 0 people have actually said that Raja Bell is greater than Kobe. People are using Kobe>Raja as part of their argument and that is just stupid, because no one in their right mind would disagree. Have I used Joakim Noah>YOU in any argument? No, so my usertitle is irrevelant.

I said I don't like them because of what Shaq did to my Magic. I didn't say that I hated them, like you are making it out to be. I don't hate either of them. They just aren't my favorite. I have backed your supporting cast, I think it's actually pretty good, while others have bashed them. I enjoy watching Kwame, Lamar, and Smush, I like all of them. So I'm not 100% hater like you think I am.

When did I ever say that I was unbiased? I said that I am not a fan of either team, so I see both sides of the debate, unlike you biased fans. My feelings for Kobe or the Lakers isn't getting in the way of my opinions. I wasn't dissing Kobe at all in this post. The references to Kobe/Lakers is the other side of the story from you Laker fans, not all of them are my opinions. It's just something to think about before you go out and say that "Raja Bell is a punk for hitting Kobe and the Suns fans are crybabies"

I would be more bias towards to Raptors then I would the Lakers because I really like Chris Bosh and they have a former Gator in Matt Bonner.

I just want good debates, not personal attacks.

 

i dunno where the thread is. but i didn't delete it.

i already had to delete my myspace cuz i sent a bulletin guaranteeing a victory or i delete my myspace acct.

Run BJM, run along man, I don't need a 16 year old kid telling me what to do, this guy....

 

Couldn't agree more Gators. Some Laker fans are fine but certain ones just make me want to projectile vomit.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting illmatic:</div><div class="quote_post">i dunno where the thread is. but i didn't delete it.

i already had to delete my myspace cuz i sent a bulletin guaranteeing a victory or i delete my myspace acct.

Run BJM, run along man, I don't need a 16 year old kid telling me what to do, this guy....</div>
not trying to be mean or anything, but i shouldnt you and LO7 leave? werent you two the ones that said if the lakers lose game 6, you would never come back again?

 

I remember you guys saying that too lol

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Try it some time. Then maybe you'll realize that it's 23>8, not 8>23</div>

Right there you are being biased because saying that 23 is better than 8 is being biased toward MJ. Better and best is a matter of opinion. For you to say that 23 is better than 8 is showing you are far from unbiased. Though I do however think that in this point in Kobes career vs. Jordans career, Micheal is better.

I never have a problem with most of you non laker fans posting your 2 cents but when it comes down to Kobe is a rapist, Nash is better, Lakers suck, trying to bait us, etc. etc. it becomes different.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">not trying to be mean or anything, but i shouldnt you and LO7 leave? werent you two the ones that said if the lakers lose game 6, you would never come back again?</div>

I was hallucinating. I promise you we will win tommorow.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Right there you are being biased because saying that 23 is better than 8 is being biased toward MJ. Better and best is a matter of opinion. For you to say that 23 is better than 8 is showing you are far from unbiased. Though I do however think that in this point in Kobes career vs. Jordans career, Micheal is better. </div>

What the hell? I think Jordan is better than Kobe, how does that mean I'm being biased? Does Kobe have a chance to be better than MJ? Of course, he is one of the most determined players in the league, and anything he does will not shock me anymore. Will he be better than Jordan? Doubtful. Him saying 8>23 is as blatant as it gets. Now that's bias.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Him saying 8>23 is as blatant as it gets. Now that's bias.</div>
Then the same goes for you saying 23>8, thats bias.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
I think Jordan is better than Kobe, how does that mean I'm being biased?</div>

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">bi·as ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bs)
n.
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment. </div>

Your being biased toward MJ. It isn't a bad thing.....I feel the same as you

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Then the same goes for you saying 23>8, thats bias.




Your being biased toward MJ. It isn't a bad thing.....I feel the same as you</div>

I don't like Jordan anymore than I like Kobe. I still don't get how I am being biased. I KNOW that Jordan is better than Kobe. (BTW, I hate comparing their careers seeing as Kobe is still only 27 years old).

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(BTW, I hate comparing their careers seeing as Kobe is still only 27 years old).</div>

Same here.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I still don't get how I am being biased. I KNOW that Jordan is better than Kobe. </div>
Thats where your being biased toward MJ.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Some Laker fans are fine but certain ones just make me want to projectile vomit.</div>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Same here.


Thats where your being biased toward MJ.</div>

No, no, no, read the definition that you had....

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">bi?as ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bs)
n.
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.</div>

It says one that inhibits impartial judgement. He's not a huge Micheal Jordan fan, so therefore it's just an opinion and not biasness, because it's not his favorite player/team. Basically being biased is singing praises towards your favorite player/team or something that you absolutely hate, so those don't work for him.

For me, I am biased to Dwight Howard, Corey Brewer and anything else related to the Orlando Magic and Florida Gators. I wouldn't consider myself to be biased towards anything else, because nothing else inhibits impartial judgement.

 

First off I want to reply some of your comments.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1) Every single person that says 1 little negative thing about Kobe and Lakers are automatically haters. Some of us are not hating on Kobe or the Lakers, we just wanted to point something out. We say that, then you call us a Kobe/Laker hater and then throw out personal attacks on us. Not everyone is against you guys, believe it or not. </div>
I agree with you. But there is a reason why we do that. I think you realize that most of us are pretty sensitive toward any members making comment on Kobe or the Lakers simply because there are a lot of haters around. I'm not saying it's you or some others but I think you do aware that Kobe is the one player in this NBA that people either hate him or love him. So when you make bad comment on Kobe, some of us label you as hater for that exact reason. I still see many people calling Kobe, a ballhogger, not a team players, Kobe is selfish this and that but almost all of them aren't even truth. If you're a Lakers fan and watching the Lakers' for the whole season, you will see why we support Kobe even when he taking ton of shots. As a huge fan of Kobe, that is frustrating to see and some of us just get carry away because of it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2) NO ONE IS DEFENDING RAJA BELL'S ACTIONS. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. The complaints that we have is that there were a bunch of other tough plays in this series that should have been looked at, but weren't. Kwame Brown elbowing Raja Bell and then standing over him should have at least been looked at as a suspension. No it shouldn't have been worse than Raja Bell, but standing over him taunting him Boris Diaw should be a suspension. Luke Walton's flagrant foul, IMO doesn't deserve a suspension, but they need to look at Kobe(not saying a suspension, but definitely a fine) for pushing them down. Don't act like Kobe is a perfect angel, like he does nothing wrong. If I was the commish, I would give Raja Bell 2 games, Kwame Brown 1 game, and Kobe a fine.</div>
The Kame?s play on Diaw didn?t deserve a suspension. Yes he did embarrassed Diaw, but a lot of players did that and just received a T. On the other hand, the retaliation play Bell did to Kobe was an intentional foul trying to hurt Kobe. A 1 game suspension is lucky for him; Kobe got 2 in the regular season with a similar flagrant foul. Nobody saying Kobe is an angel. In fact nobody in the league is. Kobe should be fine for pushing Diaw in that play? No way, he was walking over to make peace but accidentally get carry away and slipped and fell into Diaw. Nobody should get any fine in that play, not Kobe, not Diaw, not Walton, not Thomas, NOBODY!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">3) STOP BEING SO CONTRADICTORY. Yes Raja Bell did a cheap shot on Kobe, but you guys are acting like Kobe Bryant is an angel. Don't forget that he did a cheap shot on Mike Miller. Kobe Bryant is definitely not an angel. Kobe complained to the refs about getting hit in the head in Game 1, but when Raja Bell complains about getting elbows, he's a baby and he can't take the physical play? Kobe complains a lot to officials about calls. </div>
I understand your point, but I can understand why Kobe got frustrated and elbowed Mike on the neck. On the previous play, Mike smack him pretty hard on the forehead I think or mouth without a foul? Though the elbow on Raja Kobe hits him is pretty controversial. It?s either Kobe didn?t hit him and he flopped, or Kobe did hit him on the side shoulder, but definitely not at the jaw like he claimed. Eitherway, both him and Kobe are wrong. I don?t pick side on this play even thought I?m a biased Kobe?s fan. On the other notes, when Kobe complains, he did it on court only. He doesn?t go around and whining afterward like Raja and Nash did. Raja and Nash went around and whining how Kobe always get away with the calls but he didn?t know how many technical and uncalled Kobe received this season, not to mention Nash is a superstar, he get the same type of calls as Kobe.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">4) Let Kobe down on his pedestal. He's a damn good player, the best in the NBA right now, but he's not god. He gets so much hype it's not even funny. I can't believe all of you guys say that the media hates Kobe. Yes some do, but the majority of analysts don't stop talking about Kobe, it's Kobe this, Kobe that and a small thing about other people/teams. </div>
Please, the media did hate Kobe hella a lot. I think it?s pretty obviously that Kobe is definitely not the media?s favorite because of his attitude or something. I don?t understand what wrong with Kobe?s attitude, but they hate him for that. And of course, the rape charged he got 2 years ago, makes the media hates him even more. Then the Shaq fuel, Jackson, etc?pretty much everybody outside of LA hate Kobe. The reason they talk more about Kobe is because Kobe brings more attention to the fans than most other players, maybe exception to Lebron. Whether it?s a positive or negative, the media likes to talk about him. Sometime they bashing him for his selfishness, sometime they just admired his performance. And if you want to talk about the hype, Lebron is first on the list although I think he?s a great player.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">5) NO ONE IS SAYING RAJA BELL IS BETTER THAN KOBE. I hate seeing these posts that are like "Kobe>Raja Bell and he's just jealous" Thanks Captain Obvious. I don't think 1 single person in the world thinks that Raja Bell is a better player than Kobe. Who in the world isn't jealous that Kobe has so much talent and they don't have that kind of talent. I'm jealous of his talent, I'm sure other NBA superstars are too. Just because you aren't as good as someone doesn't mean that you have to respect them. Maybe Kobe isn't as clean and as perfect of a guy as everyone thinks. No one knows for sure unless you play him and I'm sure others think he's a dirty player. I don't think he's dirty, but don't bash Raja Bell for not respecting Kobe, because I'm sure Kobe doesn't respect others. </div>
The history fuel between Raja and Kobe dated back when they both was a rookie trying out for the Lakers. Raja got killed by Kobe in practice, then the Sixers vs Lakers in the NBA Final, and finally the hard foul on Kobe Raja made in this regular season. Kobe will respect his opponent if his opponent plays him clean and work hard. Actually Kobe did, in fact, compliment Raja for playing hard and played tough defense on him. You don't see Kobe and Bruce Bowen go at it, and Bruce's defense pretty much annoyed the heck outta Kobe but Bruce doesn't try to flop as much compare to Raja, and that's when Kobe loses his respect for Raja.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">6) Are you sure Kobe has never flopped? I'm sure he has flopped sometime. Some of the good defensive players flop from time to time. Drawing a charge is a smart play in some instances, not a cheap play because they can't play defense. Flops happen, every team has players that do it and not all charges are flops. I'd like you to have Kobe elbow you and not fall. Even if Kobe didn't hit Bell in the face, he certainly hit Bell in the shoulder.

Raja Bell flopped on a couple of plays, but he doesn't flop on every play like all of you guys have been saying. He's a very good physical defender, regardless of what you say. He's done a great job on Kobe this series only allowing 22 ppg to Kobe. Yes Kobe isn't shooting as much, but that has something to do with Raja Bell's D. Even when Kobe wasn't shooting much in the past, he still avg over 22 ppg. </div>
I never saw Kobe flopped? Yes, sometimes he did take the charges but everyone did that, and you?re right it can't be label as flop because taking charge is a great defensive way to slow down your opponent drives. Though Raja flopped like a mad maniac. He flopped even when Kobe just giving him a slight elbow on his chest. Pub.....leezz, with his strength and size, I don't think he will fall down like that. Though I respect his defense and toughness but taking a flop like that almost every game is unacceptable. Kobe averages 42ppg with Bell guarding him most of the time in the regular season. I don't see a point in saying Kobe can't score over Bell. It's pointless to say Bell's D is a major factor in Kobe's point deficiency. Kobe can put up 50 on Bell any night if he wants to but he?s just playing a team game right now, at least so far.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">7) Nash is the MVP, regardless of what you all say, he will still be the MVP. Nothing you can say will change that. He had an amazing season, give him props. Kobe is the best player in the NBA right now, but best player and MVP don't go hand and hand. It's not like it's a new thing, the scoring leader hasn't won an MVP for awhile and when MJ was pouring in 37 ppg on a worse team, he won the MVP. Tmac was the best player in the NBA in his last 2 years in Orlando and he didn't win any MVP's, because the team wasn't good enough. I'm sure Kobe will win MVP's in the future, his time will come. Just because he didn't win the MVP doesn't mean that it's the end of the world. </div>
You can't put Tmac's season in Orlando in comparison to Kobe's season on the Lakers. The East is pretty weak back then, even now but it improves whole lot. Though I do agree, when MJ averaged 37ppg, he didn't win MVP but at least he was 2nd on the MVP ballot while the Magic man was having an incredible season with the Lakers, no question why MJ should?ve won. Nash's season was good but compare to Kobe, it's nothing. The only thing he has over Kobe is the winning which I don't necessarily agree on. If you put Kobe on the Suns' team, he would actually win more games. Nash is great when you giving shooters around him. Forget about the "he makes other players better". Diaw, Barbosa, Jones, Thomas, they're already talented players, and playing in the right system helps them the most. Anyway, I just find it hard to accept Nash winning 2 MVPs when there are a lot of other players better than him, and only win 1 or none. Unbelievable!

I don?t hate Nash, actually last year, if there is a person disagreeing on Nash winning the MVP, you can bet that I will be the first person to bash him, but this year? Nah noway. they should?ve given to Kobe or Dirk or Billups.

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The only reason that there are so much haters is because you guys are so biased and arrogant.(not all of you, just some of you-most of you are quality posters). Before you blow up on me, please read the rest.....

That's my 2 cents. I'm not a fan of either team, so I see both sides of the story. I'm not trying to hate, I'm just hoping that you all can see both sides and stop bashing everyone that disagrees with you. Your side isn't always the best side. Good luck in your game tonight and the rest of the series. </div>
Anyway I agreed, we?re somewhat a bit arrogant but that come because of some haters still existing. I?m sure if other people talk smack about your favorite player or your team, and if you?re a big fan, you feel the urgency to protect your teams or player. I know it?s biased but hey, that what fans are for, you try to protect your team even when you know your argument is stupid.

I admitted that I was wrong about bashing the guy (forgot his username lol). I actually got a little frustrated because I read a lot of comments before that about people saying they shouldn't giving the MVP to a rapist, a ballhog, etc...I think I?m a very sensitive Lakers' and Kobe's fan, so when these negative comments happen, I find it hard to control myself but to say idiotic, taunting the other members because of their post that I don't agree on. But though, in my very own mind, I swear I have no intention of thinking or saying stupid stuffs like that. I was wrong; I'm apologized to anyone that I bash before. Looking forward for my post to be more mature, and I hope other respect my post as well.