<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">For those people who have religious beliefs, if you found out aliens exist would it effect your beliefs? I ask because there's been a project called SETI which searches for signals in outer space using a grid and piggy backing off servers from all over the world. One of the biggest investors in the project is Paul Allen (Trailblazers owner.) Just recently they've been getting signals for two straight weeks coming from outer space. SETI wants Paul Allen to hold a press conference to announce the findings, but he's been hesistant to do it. So if it comes to fact there is life outside of the planet earth does how will it alter your beliefs?</div> Although I'm not religious, I would be glad as heck if they discovered signals from another planet. Just emagine how it would stirr up trouble among the religious people .
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">Right, so you admit to not knowing what it is you're worshipping? Also did I see you refer to God as "he", please explain to me how its possible for a single man to create an entire universe by himself. I'm interested to hear how "he" did it.</div> ok i didnt say i didnt know what i was worshipping i said i didnt know how "good" created the universe. i say what i believe..ok?? i worship god.i belive there is only one god..u said i referred to god as he..look at urself..ur referring to god as a single man..do u feel stupid now?? god is everything..he is our master..he created everything..god is mighty..god created everything for us..he created everything on earth including us..i dont know how he really did it..i wasnt there at the time..so what i believe is that god is mighty and he is our master..he created us and put us here so we can worship him..do you understand my point now??
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">do you understand my point now??</div> No, no I dont. I dont even think you understand your point. How am I an idiot for refering to god as a single person? You've been doing it yourself all along, "he" refers to one. You keep going on about how you "say what you believe", but you've yet to say what it is exactly that you worship, you dont even seem to know! You know if God isnt a person, what is God? You said it yourself, you cant say, that you dont know, well then how can you believe in somthing that you know nothing about? How can you worship somthing so highly when you cant even explain to me what it is you worship? If God created everything that we know (as you claim), who/what created God?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If God created everything that we know (as you claim), who/what created God?</div> We're talking about a God!, Gods aren't "Created". If your Atheius then....what is your purpose of life........?? For me, as MiamiBalla12 said I would rather live a Christian life and die and find out theres no God, then live an atheist life and find out there is one.
i was thinking about it last nite and this is what i came up with, God was always there, what it is is that we see everything in time but how do we know that in heaven or where God was before, there was time. God is a higher being, he is refered to as a male because back when the male was dominate so i guess that just stuck to God that God is a he. In most religious books it says God made humans in a similar mold to how he is. There have also been a lot of things that happened that you just have to be like wow thats amazing and there must be a God, such as the mountain moving, Virgin Mary appearing in Egypt (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/vmary.htm), a few years back and i saw them there were pictures of Jesus and Virgin Mary on a ordinary basketball hoop at someone's house and there have also been people who have been cured from dieses. I am not trying to make atheists into believes i am just showing why so many poeple believe there is a God, it's not just because a priest or our parents told us one, its because we see many things that make us believe there is a God,
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Luckily for me, my religion doesn't try to dwelve too much into scientific issues. It tends to stick to philosophical/societal problems, of which there are plenty. This allows me to accept any scientific discoveries that I find logical. I've always believed that God wants us to worship him for the opposite of what you're saying. I think God loves all humans equally and religion/faith is not meant to please Him/Her. Rather, it is a gift that provides us with spiritual strength and an escape from the material. I know it sounds kind of preachy. But, I've come across that question a lot of times over the years and I've found that's the only answer that both makes sense to me and doesn't contradict the fundamental belief that all humans are equal in the eyes of God.</div> I can respect this attitude towards religion. It's a philosphy on how to live your life and attempts to be fair in resolving issues and serves an escape from the material. If it takes the belief in a god to anchor this then so be it. I wish this was the underlying message of churches, temples, and synagogues because it's an open minded approach to elements outside of your religion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">Science never determined a "Big Bang" created the Earth, its all a theory, hence the name, "Big Bang Theory", meaning it <u>could</u> be a possibility as to how the Earth came about. Now, I have a simple question I would like to see answered by everyone in this topic who believes in god. That question is, what is God?</div> NTC, just wondering, but how do you believe the Earth was created?
How cant you believe in god and science. Science has proven many things form the bible to be true. Like how there was life in the seas first. Also, why cant religious people believe that god caused the big bang to make the earth and the rest of the universe?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Power is the root of all evil. Seriously, I know people like to point to all of the violence that has resulted from religious differences, but that has come from either the exploitation of religious devotion or the misplacement of priorities. Religion, like anything else, has been a tool for the selfish.</div> It is that tool which you speak of that's brought the most terror in the history of this world. The selfishness and pure exploitation in order to reach higher levels of whatever it is exactly that religion is preaching about today is what's wrong with it in fact. That religious power has killed the innocent and does so today, and if nothing worse has wiped clean the authority we have over ourselves. Because of it, we bow down to each others reasoning bodies and disillusion ourselves from ourselves. We forget to think for ourselves, the purity that is the human mind, once shun away from the blockade of religion and other oppressive forces. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I personally see a difference between the basic doctrine of my religion and my own sense of spirituality. In that sense, religion should be a personal experience. I tend to emphasize the equality that Sikhism treats other faiths and religions with, while downplaying the link that it has developed with culture and nationality. I can definitely see why you have a problem with people trying to force their own perspective onto others.</div> I respect the religious way, in its pure form. In its devout form that it was formed to be. With that I mean, the outlook of one Christ, or of Buddha but with their principles of reason, not some abridged literature and ten-step plan for eternal life. What I have a huge problem with is the organization of religion, the mass pruning of our minds and forming them into some robotic state into which we are to adhere to a book of laws about our own spirituality. So, in a way I concur with your reasoning on religion and the way you follow it aside from any material structure as how to "follow" it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">But I have to question you about following and forming a life by rules set out by mankind. I mean, doesn't everyone conform to rules set out by society, before we even understand them? I'll provide an example that's nasty, but it proves a point nonetheless. Incest is a taboo in modern society. Do we ever question it? Obviously it occurred in the past. And while we think it leads to genetic defects, its not a documented fact yet. Now, I'm not supporting incest: I think it's disgusting. But doesn't my own reaction speak volumes? Clearly we conform to certain customs/rules set out by mankind without even realizing it. Not saying that this proves that religion is superior, but it does show that hating religion because it espouses certain beliefs and rules is naive. Freud talks a lot about this.</div> Thus, we must liberate ourselves from that type of thinking. Society no doubt is a great feature that we as humans adhere to because without the laws and regulations of such a structure, chaos on a much larger scale than it is showcased now would prevail. In that same context, I always thought an anarchist way of running your life was pure rubbish. It holds no ground, it has no unity with the rest of the world, which is the central building block of our lives. So, in that sense I don't want you to confuse me for such a person. So, we must "Think for our[selves], and question authority." With that meaning, even if we are brought up under some ludacrious authority we must resist it if it is not beneficial to us. <font size=""1""> Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities — the political, the religious, the educational authorities — who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing — forming in our minds — their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness, chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself.</font> I don't think I should have used the word "hate" to say what I believe. There's a fine line in which we are to inform ourselves about our playing field that is the world, and in which we take action to better ourselves in it and others around us respectively. We must understand what is at fault in today's world, whether it be on smaller scale or something as grand as a religious one. However, we shouldn't step out into some void and feel enlightened because we've welcomed some kind of change unto ourselves and become disconnected from our fellow bretheren.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">How cant you believe in god and science. Science has proven many things form the bible to be true. Like how there was life in the seas first. Also, why cant religious people believe that god caused the big bang to make the earth and the rest of the universe?</div> I very much do. The study of particle physics very much supports this idea.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sasha:</div><div class="quote_post">I very much do. The study of particle physics very much supports this idea.</div> cool dude, me too. But whenever i get in a conversation about religion withg "religious" people, they cant admit that the world is more the 4-6 thousand years old, or anything else like that, like how dinosaurs either didnt exist, or were on the earth at the same time as humans.
That's because most religious nuts aren't open minded and refuse to expand their minds. Which in turn is the ironic thing about their religion and how they vow to accept so many things equally. Once you question somebodies belief system with your own, they feel threatened.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">No, no I dont. I dont even think you understand your point. How am I an idiot for refering to god as a single person? You've been doing it yourself all along, "he" refers to one. You keep going on about how you "say what you believe", but you've yet to say what it is exactly that you worship, you dont even seem to know! You know if God isnt a person, what is God? You said it yourself, you cant say, that you dont know, well then how can you believe in somthing that you know nothing about? How can you worship somthing so highly when you cant even explain to me what it is you worship? If God created everything that we know (as you claim), who/what created God?</div> no one created god.. god is himself and created everything.. gods aren't created.. since ur an athiest and u dont believe in anything..tell me one thing..y are u here and whats ur purpose of life?? to live? there has to be a purpose for you life right?mines is to worship god..urs aint anything..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Miami Flash City:</div><div class="quote_post">[/B] We're talking about a God!, Gods aren't "Created". If your Atheius then....what is your purpose of life........?? For me, as MiamiBalla12 said I would rather live a Christian life and die and find out theres no God, then live an atheist life and find out there is one.</div> Gods arnt created? So you're telling me, God just appeared one day and was like "Hmmm... I think I might create a universe today", and the rest in history? What is my purpose of life? To live. The same as everyone else. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MiamiBalla12:</div><div class="quote_post">NTC, just wondering, but how do you believe the Earth was created?</div> I wouldnt have a clue. I think evolution is the most logical answer. As I said before, we have concrete proof of evolving over time, like for example look at humans/society today compared to 500 years ago. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">no one created god.. god is himself and created everything.. gods aren't created.. since ur an athiest and u dont believe in anything..tell me one thing..y are u here and whats ur purpose of life?? to live? there has to be a purpose for you life right?mines is to worship god..urs aint anything..</div> There has to be a purpose to my life? No, there doesnt. And there is nothing that states otherwise. Again with how you worship God, but again no one has actually been able to tell me who or what God is, and how they have proof to his existance, you just keep side stepping the question with a poor "God is God" answer. Let me ask you another question, if I told you I believed in the Easter Bunny, and I had devoted my life to the Easter Bunny, what would you think?
^^lol, come on man, there is proof that the easter bunny doesnt exist, what proof do u have that god doesnt exist?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">Gods arnt created? So you're telling me, God just appeared one day and was like "Hmmm... I think I might create a universe today", and the rest in history? What is my purpose of life? To live. The same as everyone else. I wouldnt have a clue. I think evolution is the most logical answer. As I said before, we have concrete proof of evolving over time, like for example look at humans/society today compared to 500 years ago. There has to be a purpose to my life? No, there doesnt. And there is nothing that states otherwise. Again with how you worship God, but again no one has actually been able to tell me who or what God is, and how they have proof to his existance, you just keep side stepping the question with a poor "God is God" answer. Let me ask you another question, if I told you I believed in the Easter Bunny, and I had devoted my life to the Easter Bunny, what would you think?</div> By asking, who or what created God we are making the assumption that God was created. Dont you understand, Gods are Not created, do you know what a God is?! In the Bible , God says "I am the Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end, the first and the last.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^lol, come on man, there is proof that the easter bunny doesnt exist, what proof do u have that god doesnt exist?</div> So there is proof the Easter Bunny doesnt exist? Can you show me or explain this proof to me? I'm interested to hear this. What proof do I have God doesnt exist? Nothing. No not "I cant prove God didnt exist", but the proof I have of him not existing is nothing. There is absolutley nothing at all, that proves there ever was/is a God. Granted you can say to me "there is no proof there isnt a God", well to that I say, there is no proof the Easter Bunny doesnt/didnt exist either. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Miami Flash City:</div><div class="quote_post">By asking, who or what created God we are making the assumption that God was created. Dont you understand, Gods are Not created, do you know what a God is?! In the Bible , God says "I am the Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end, the first and the last.</div> I was hoping some one would bring this up. "In the Bible". The Bible, was written by man, was it not? The key word here, being man. The bible is simply nothing more than one persons opinion, about what that 1 person believes to be the key to a perfect society. I mean, you guys still havent given me an answer to what God is, I know exactly why that is, because you dont know, you dont know what God is, no one knows, not even the Pope himself knows what God is. "I am the Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end, the first and the last" isnt God, thats just a bunch of fancy words bunched together in a sentence which makes little to no sense at all. It's like the blind leading the blind.
^^A heck of a lot more than one person wrote the bible, seriously. Ok, the easter bunny does not exist because, 1. those eggs dont hide themselves, people do, 2. i have seen about a zillion different PEOPLE claiming to be the easter bunnya t malls and whatnot. Plus i am sure you could find the souce of the easter bunny from whichever marketing team though him up. A god isnt created dude, that is the point. If gods were created, then who/what would create them??? They have been here since the begining. Quit trying to act like god is just some dude in the clouds. God is everywhere and everything. If you dont believe in him fine, thats your beef. But why not???
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Gods arnt created? So you're telling me, God just appeared one day and was like "Hmmm... I think I might create a universe today", and the rest in history? </div> No matter what religion you follow in life, the main objective for religion (atleast for me) is to have something to believe in when you need it most. I know it is a selfish approach, but only a few in this world are truly and completely religious to the extent that our religious texts want us to be. The rest believe in God to a certain extent and believe that God is there to protect them when things are rough. I don't believe in God for the sake of believing in God, but rather because I believe God is something that exists inside of us rather then a physical being on the outside. God is not "a person", but rather a prescnence inside of us. Although I am hindu and do believe in the Gods that my family worships as well, I also follow through with my own theory. Regardless of what I go through in life, I believe that God is watching and that everything I go through in life will make me stronger and is happening for a reason. God is not there so you can blame him for your problems...everyone gets dealt different cards based upon thier karma in previous lives (this I STRONGLY believe in)...and it's upto you to use the life you have been given to the best of your ability all the while believe in a prescence greater then yourself....believeing in something incomprehensible. Sorry that was a rant, but I hope you understand the point of view I'm 'preaching'. God is not a man, nor a woman for that matter...I know everyone has different faiths and believe as to who "God" is, but God to me is not a person...God is a belief in order to make you a stronger human being...God is not imaginable... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I know exactly why that is, because you dont know, you dont know what God is, no one knows, not even the Pope himself knows what God is </div> God is a belief.
