<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Why does everyone say that Lebron and Kobe's supporting cast suck? They don't. Z is a 2 time all-star. He definetely helps taking the pressure off. Drew Gooden is a good young big man, nearly a double double guy every night. Eric Snow is a great floor leader, he doesn't put up the great stats, but he is definetely a good PG to have to set up his teammates. Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall are instant offense off the bench. Not to mention Hughes and Flip Murray for a third of the season each and now for the playoffs. He doesn't have a 2nd superstar, but neither did Duncan those years(someone would show up in the playoffs for him-like Ginobili, but not around the entire season) or the Pistons didn't even have 1 superstar 2 years ago. Sorry for my rant, I'm just tired of hearing how crappy Lebron's supporting cast is, when it isn't. Do you think KG would switch Lebron places or AI or Paul Pierce? HELL YEAH.</div> I disagree The cavs are like the clippers from a few years ago good on paper not in reality. Z may be a 2 time all-star but he dissapears in the playoffs and is incredibly slow, he's been outlplayed by anderson varejao that's how bad its been. As for jones and marshall their streaky shooters they can not score the whole game and come up with a big shot or not deppending. Hughes has been injured all season so we have to see how things will work out. LeBron's team is decent not amazing. As for Duncan's team his bench alone is almost good enough to make the playoffs: Robert horry, Brent barry, van exel, michael finley. Not to mention two all-stars with manu and parker.
Please, Don't give me Zydrunas "The Disapearing Man" Ilgauskas as an example of LBJ's supporting cast. He's been nothing the entire year after he signed his contract extension. The only player that can be considered consistant is Eric Snow, and that's on the defensive end. He's ususally garbage on offense. So please, don't try to make LBJ's teammates out to be anything other than inconsistant basketball players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting briang8818:</div><div class="quote_post">Please, Don't give me Zydrunas "The Disapearing Man" Ilgauskas as an example of LBJ's supporting cast. He's been nothing the entire year after he signed his contract extension. The only player that can be considered consistant is Eric Snow, and that's on the defensive end. He's ususally garbage on offense. So please, don't try to make LBJ's teammates out to be anything other than inconsistant basketball players.</div> I couldn't agree more. These comments that the rest of the cavs team is something special have got to stop. It's such a weak attempt to make bron not look as good as he really is by people saying that he's playin with allstars.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post"> Sorry for my rant, I'm just tired of hearing how crappy Lebron's supporting cast is, when it isn't. Do you think KG would switch Lebron places or AI or Paul Pierce? HELL YEAH.</div> Those guys are veterans, and its unfair to compare the situations....we are comparing 2 players who were drafted the same year. Plus, half of the players you mentioned ie. Flip Murry, Larry Hughs, Donyell Marshall have either been often injured or added recently. You can say the same about Wade.....throughout his career he has had Shaq, Eddie Jones, Rafer in the playoffs, Zo, Walker, JWilliams....his list is much more impressive then Lebrons. Don't gimme this crap of 2 time allstar Ziggy I. He ain't that good and he is injured half the time.
THANK YOU. If there is anyone deserving of getting the kind of riduculous let-me-get-on-my-knees-andg-give-u-a-bj-because-you-are-my-man-crush love that LeBron get's it's guys like DWade, Chris Bosh and Chris Paul (wrong draft class I know). Dwade went 5th in the draft, unnoticed, and got signed for 400k to converse. Sebastian Telfair went #13 and got $21 MIL! Carmelo (who thankfully has fallen out of public consiousness) and LeBron are way overhyped, and it's Wade I think who can be the better player. He's 5 inches shorter than Bron (not a lot of people realize how short Wade is) and grabs one less rebound a night and dishes out the same # of assists...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">Those guys are veterans, and its unfair to compare the situations....we are comparing 2 players who were drafted the same year. Plus, half of the players you mentioned ie. Flip Murry, Larry Hughs, Donyell Marshall have either been often injured or added recently. You can say the same about Wade.....throughout his career he has had Shaq, Eddie Jones, Rafer in the playoffs, Zo, Walker, JWilliams....his list is much more impressive then Lebrons. Don't gimme this crap of 2 time allstar Ziggy I. He ain't that good and he is injured half the time.</div> I never said that Lebron's supporting cast is better than the Heat or anywhere close, because it's not. I'm just saying everyone's making such a big deal about how bad of a supporting cast Lebron/Kobe have, but Kobe has a legitimate tripled double threat every night, Lebron has 2 time All-star Zydrunas. I'll be honest, I don't see many Cavs games, so I can't really judge him. I mainly just see them when they play the Magic and Z completely dominates the Magic, so I guess I've just been accustomed to seeing that and assuming that he does that often. He did make the all-star game twice though, so he's not as bad as you guys are making it sound. Cavs have good big man depth with Z, Gooden, Donyell and Vareajeo. THey have a veteran leader in Eric Snow at the point. Good SG's in Larry Hughes(well when he's there and healthy) and Flip Murray. He really doesn't have that bad of a supporting cast, they are very talented and don't really have big names, like the Heats cast. ---------------- You want to see a bad supporting cast, check out Tmac's with the Magic 4 years ago when he had.... PG-Jacque Vaughn(Darrell Armstrong came off the bench) SG-Tmac SF-Mike Miller PF-Pat Garrity C-Andrew Declerq Garrity and Declerq are the 2 biggest stiffs in the league. Miller is best suited coming off of the bench(check his 6th man of the year award) and Darrell was winding down on his career. Jacque Vaughn was horrible for the Magic. ------------------- I know that's irrevelant to the topic, but both Kobe and Lebron have good contributors to their team. There's a reason why they both made the playoffs, if their supporting casts are as bad as you are making it sound, then that means Lebron/Kobe was playing 1 on 5, which wasn't the case.
With 1.5 seconds and the Heat clinging on to a 1pt lead, the Nets inbound the ball and Wade comes up with a huge steal to seal the victory. When I saw that play I immediatley thought of when John Havlicek stole the ball to seal a championship for the Celtics. Wade also had the Heat's final assist, a 3pt shot for Walker, to give us our final score.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">With 1.5 seconds and the Heat clinging on to a 1pt lead, the Nets inbound the ball and Wade comes up with a huge steal to seal the victory. When I saw that play I immediatley thought of when John Havlicek stole the ball to seal a championship for the Celtics. Wade also had the Heat's final assist, a 3pt shot for Walker, to give us our final score.</div> When I saw that play I just thought it was a bad pass from J Kidd to a falling Vince Carter lol.
<font color=""Blue"">Jason Kidd</font> on Dwyane Wade's three-point shooting burst: ``We hope that was an aberration. Honestly, I don't need that [junk]. That's the last thing <font color=""Red"">the league</font> needs is him to start making threes and jump shots. He's tough enough to guard with an average shot. If he becomes a good shooter, honestly, I don't know what you do. And now he's making good decisions, too. That's the overlooked part about Wade's game. ``Wade forced a lot of stuff the last couple years and turned the ball over. He's not doing that anymore. He's actually making good decisions. I think that's a big change.'' http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sport...ll/14595543.htm
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">With 1.5 seconds and the Heat clinging on to a 1pt lead, the Nets inbound the ball and Wade comes up with a huge steal to seal the victory. When I saw that play I immediatley thought of when John Havlicek stole the ball to seal a championship for the Celtics.</div>I thought of the night before when LeBron did it. But to each his own.
^^That was the worst inbounds pace I've ever seen by the Pistons. It was more the pass and Lebron didn't actually stel it like DWade did.
lol, LeBron has to have the ball thrown to him so he can steal it. The Pistons were blinded by his greatness and decided it was best to just give him the ball.
Has anyone said LBJ is better than MJ yet? I read pages 1 and 3, not sure if I read page 2 (to lazy, im sure many of you hate reading something, then finding out u read it the night before seconds later), and haven't seen it (not to sure about page 1). I know just by bringing this argument up, it puts LBJ at a higher level, which I hate! Even though it is just his 3rd year, and he may very well make it to the ECF in his first playoff run, he really didn't do much to get there. The Wizards made him look better than he is (wth is a sub 500 team doing in the playoffs anyways...damn East). Detroit was okay the first two games, but the last 3 have been a lot different than any Detroit we have seen this season. Detroits players not being able to knock down wide open 3s is not because LeBron is so great. [T-Mac was so great against them, and they shut his ass up.] I mean, for the best 3 point shooting team in the NBA during the regular season and playoffs (up until the last 2 games) they have shot a mere 20%3FG, 38.5%FG in game 5 and a shoddy 26.7%3FG, 33.3FG% in game 6. WOW. The Cavs defense isn't that great. Heck, it is mediocre at best. The past 2 wins for the Cavs were just a fluke. If Detroit shoots well, they should have no problem crushing the Cavs. As much as I hate Detroit that is the trueth.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lostmyluggage:</div><div class="quote_post">^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Also, no one cares about LeBron's teamates in 04 and how they compared to Wade's in 04. I'm talking about today's Wade's Heat and LeBron's Cavs. It doesn't really matter, because we are going to be watching the 2 players go at it here shortly. LeBron wants the matchup and sheed knows there's nothing his team can do to stop him.</div> LeBrons overrated, and now Pistons have Cavs into game 7. Its pretty much game over for lebron.
*BUMP* Anyone want to bring up those "LeBron is better than Wade" arguments? Especially how Wade handled himself in the 4th quarter compared to LBJ against the Pistons? Or how he managed to match LBJ's PPG AVG while shooting 40% better from the field (and despite playing only 27min).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">*BUMP* Anyone want to bring up those "LeBron is better than Wade" arguments? Especially how Wade handled himself in the 4th quarter compared to LBJ against the Pistons? Or how he managed to match LBJ's PPG AVG while shooting over 15% better from the field (and despite playing only 27min).</div>It's fine to be cocky while you have the most dominant force in the history of the NBA on your team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting briang8818:</div><div class="quote_post">It's fine to be cocky while you have the most dominant force in the history of the NBA on your team.</div>Please man, Shaq isn't even in his prime. Get over it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">Please man, Shaq isn't even in his prime. Get over it.</div> Shaq is still the best center in the NBA at least according to all-nba teams.
He's still good, not in his prime, but has been plagued with the worst fouls all season, and his minutes/rhythm has effected him. Wade has had to shoulder most of the load all season that him and Shaq always split. Anyways, I thought this was funny http://www.palmbeachpost.com/heat/content/...notes_0524.html <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As Wade walked off the court late in the first quarter a fan yelled, "You're no LeBron!" in reference to Cleveland forward LeBron James. Wade shook his head, "no," and then pointed to the name on his jersey.</div>
