This season we're bound to make a big move. We've got a gaping hole at point guard, Lorenzen Wright is probably leaving in free agency thus leaving us with less depth in the froncourt, and Eddie Jones is sitting on a $14.6 million contract in it's last year. With that said, what are some trade possibilities you'd like to see? Franchise-type players potentially on the block: Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Zach Randolph, Jermaine O'Neal, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury Other potentially available players: Jamaal Magloire, Darius Miles, Jamal Crawford, Bobby Simmons, Lamar Odom, Mike James, Rafer Alston <u>Trade Proposal #1</u> Grizzlies Send: Eddie Jones Brian Cardinal Knicks Send: Steve Francis Jamal Crawford The Knicks do it to move towards rebuilding. They get an expiring contract that'll give them loads of cap space when LeBron James is a free agent. Memphis does it to get a legit point guard and a legit second option to Gasol.
I know Lorezen Wright is an okay post player, but can he play defense? Maybe Utah can get a sign and trade deal with you guys, because we're really in need of some halfway decent players, and maybe Wright could come in.
I think the trade you proposed benefits both teams. Brian Cardinal is a Larry Brown type player, and the Grizzlies get two scorers to compliment Gasol. <u>Trade Proposal #2</u> Grizzlies Send: Eddie Jones 1st Round Pick 2007 Damon Stoudamire Hakim Warrick Philly Sends: Allen Iverson Steven Hunter
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the trade you proposed benefits both teams. Brian Cardinal is a Larry Brown type player, and the Grizzlies get two scorers to compliment Gasol. <u>Trade Proposal #2</u> Grizzlies Send: Eddie Jones 1st Round Pick 2007 Damon Stoudamire Hakim Warrick Philly Sends: Allen Iverson Steven Hunter</div> I'd do that trade in a heartbeat if I were the Grizzlies. We'd be basically giving up a role player (Eddie Jones) and three players who never really played for us anyway (Warrick, Stoudamire, pick) for one of the best players in the NBA (Iverson) and a legit post presence (Hunter) to take pressure off Gasol. I don't see why the 76'ers would want to do it though. If they're looking to trade Iverson, I think they'd want Gasol in return as well as Jones. They're just not going to be able to sign anyone in free agency who's Iverson's caliber, so Jones' contract isn't that valuable of an asset to them. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know Lorezen Wright is an okay post player, but can he play defense? Maybe Utah can get a sign and trade deal with you guys, because we're really in need of some halfway decent players, and maybe Wright could come in.</div> He's not a stopper by any stretch of the imagination, but he's far from a liability; he's just decent. He's a little undersized, but he makes up for it by playing really physical. How about something along the lines of Carlos Boozer for Mike Miller and Lorenzen Wright? I hate to give up Mike Miller, but if we were to trade Jones and get a shooting guard in return, Miller would just struggle for playing time again, but if we packaged him with someone else to get someone like Boozer, then we'd have a very well-rounded and strong starting lineup; it's about time we give up Hubie Brown's ten man rotation anyway. Assuming we did that trade and the Knicks trade I suggested above, here's what our roster would look like - PG - Steve Francis/Damon Stoudamire/Anthony Roberson SG - Jamal Crawford/Draft Pick (Maurice Ager, Richard Roby, Quincy Douby, etc.) SF - Shane Battier/Dahntay Jones PF - Carlos Boozer/Hakim Warrick/Lawrence Roberts C - Pau Gasol/Jake Tsakalidis That'd be one of the strongest lineups in the West, easily.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd do that trade in a heartbeat if I were the Grizzlies. We'd be basically giving up a role player (Eddie Jones) and three players who never really played for us anyway (Warrick, Stoudamire, pick) for one of the best players in the NBA (Iverson) and a legit post presence (Hunter) to take pressure off Gasol. I don't see why the 76'ers would want to do it though. If they're looking to trade Iverson, I think they'd want Gasol in return as well as Jones. They're just not going to be able to sign anyone in free agency who's Iverson's caliber, so Jones' contract isn't that valuable of an asset to them.</div> I think it would be a decent offer for the Sixers. If they are trading Iverson they are probably looking to rebuild and they get a good package to help them rebuild with that trade. Big expiring contract, young player, draft pick, and a solid PG who doesnt cost too much. When superstars are traded they usually aren't traded for other superstars, look at Shaq, Webber, Baron Davis, Vince Carter, etc, they all got traded for role players, expiring contracts, and picks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it would be a decent offer for the Sixers. If they are trading Iverson they are probably looking to rebuild and they get a good package to help them rebuild with that trade. Big expiring contract, young player, draft pick, and a solid PG who doesnt cost too much. When superstars are traded they usually aren't traded for other superstars, look at Shaq, Webber, Baron Davis, Vince Carter, etc, they all got traded for role players, expiring contracts, and picks.</div> Each of those players you mentioned above found themselves in a unique situation. Shaq was demanding a trade, and to get it done early enough to sign Bryant, they had to accept the offer for Odom and Butler. Also, don't forget that Odom was coming off an All-Star type season and Butler was not too far removed from a very promising rookie year. Both had more trade value then than they have now. Besides, for every Shaq for Odom trade, there's a trade like Steve Francis for Tracy McGrady, Peja Stojakovic for Ron Artest, Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury, etc. The #24 draft pick and Warrick aren't really that valuable. Neither will probably amount to anything special in the NBA, and it'll just hurt the Sixers in the next few seasons to have a lot of youth and innexperience on their roster. Damon Stoudamire's a complete liability on defense, and his decision making on offense tends to be really shaky, as he looks for the shot more than he looks to set up his teammates. Besides, when he was injured, they said it could possibly be a career-ending injury, so we're not really clear on how effective he'll be when he comes back, if he ever does. The only real incentive in that deal is Eddie Jones' expiring contract, which isn't so much of an incentive because the 2007 free agent class is pretty weak, except for players who are under team options (L. James, Wade, Bosh, Anthony, etc.).
KOC already said that the Big 4 weren't going anywhere unless it was some mad offer. So Boozer is staying put for at least another year.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">KOC already said that the Big 4 weren't going anywhere unless it was some mad offer. So Boozer is staying put for at least another year.....</div> I think that Mike Miller and Lorenzen Wright is a "mad offer." Playing in a small market town like Memphis and coming off the bench, not many people understand how good Miller is, but he was our second leading scorer last season, only behind Gasol, and he's got one of the sweetest jumpers in the entire league. He could probably be the first option on a few teams out there. Besides, who else would you trade us to get Wright? Harpring and Collins are both free agents, and we really have no need for another wing like Giricek or Brown. To get Wright, you pretty much have to give up one of the "Big 4."
I was just thinking sign and trade with Harpring or something because I was going off you trading Cardinal.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">I was just thinking sign and trade with Harpring or something because I was going off you trading Cardinal.....</div> Why do we need Matt Harpring? I understand that getting something in return for Lorenzen Wright instead of just letting him walk may look like a good deal on the exterior, but that would also cut into our cap room. I'd rather let Wright walk and sign someone who satisfies a team need.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do we need Matt Harpring? I understand that getting something in return for Lorenzen Wright instead of just letting him walk may look like a good deal on the exterior, but that would also cut into our cap room. I'd rather let Wright walk and sign someone who satisfies a team need.</div> It's cuz Harpring's white He'd be a very good addition man, he's one of the most overlooked players in the NBA. He's very versatile too, he'd help you guys out a lot
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Each of those players you mentioned above found themselves in a unique situation. Shaq was demanding a trade, and to get it done early enough to sign Bryant, they had to accept the offer for Odom and Butler. Also, don't forget that Odom was coming off an All-Star type season and Butler was not too far removed from a very promising rookie year. Both had more trade value then than they have now. Besides, for every Shaq for Odom trade, there's a trade like Steve Francis for Tracy McGrady, Peja Stojakovic for Ron Artest, Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury, etc.</div> The T-Mac trade was Francis, Mobely, and Cato for T-Mac IIRC. Francis is not a superstar and even if he is considered a star hes obviously no where close to T-Mac if they had to include so much more to get T-Mac. Ron Artest situation was really odd, he had baggage like no other player and he was inactive while the Pacers looked for a trade for a few months. Marbury for Kidd was quite a while ago and there were even other players involved in that trade. I'm not saying that the trade proposed to get Iverson is great for the Sixers but would they rather do that or take on someone like Francis, Marbury, Darius Miles, Zach Randolph or some other overpaid malcontent? I just don't see them getting any desirable superstars so an offer getting them some young talent, expiring contracts and picks would be ideal for them. Maybe the Grizz would have to throw on a little more but that trade isn't that bad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">The T-Mac trade was Francis, Mobely, and Cato for T-Mac IIRC. Francis is not a superstar and even if he is considered a star hes obviously no where close to T-Mac if they had to include so much more to get T-Mac. Ron Artest situation was really odd, he had baggage like no other player and he was inactive while the Pacers looked for a trade for a few months. Marbury for Kidd was quite a while ago and there were even other players involved in that trade. I'm not saying that the trade proposed to get Iverson is great for the Sixers but would they rather do that or take on someone like Francis, Marbury, Darius Miles, Zach Randolph or some other overpaid malcontent? I just don't see them getting any desirable superstars so an offer getting them some young talent, expiring contracts and picks would be ideal for them. Maybe the Grizz would have to throw on a little more but that trade isn't that bad.</div> You're right about each trade I brought up, but really all that says is that each trade scenario is unique. I see your point about Philadelphia trading for young talent too, but Warrick and the #24 pick are just going to be bottomfeeders on their roster, like they would be in Memphis. It's not like you're trading for a budding superstar. I also don't think you necessarily need to trade for another malcontent to get a superstar. Kevin Garnett's unhappy with his situation in Minnesota, but bring him into Philadelphia and he's not exactly a 'malcontent' anymore. That'd be the trade I'd be pushing for if I were the 76'ers; well, actually, I take that back. If I were the 76'ers, I'd be trying to hold onto Iverson. The whole idea of trading him is flawed in the first place.
Actually the 2007 free agent market has a lot of star potential. The following players have the ability to opt out of their current deals: Vince Carter Chauncey Billups Paul Pierce Gerald Wallace Dirk Nowitzki Mike Bibby Rashard Lewis Antawn Jamison
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually the 2007 free agent market has a lot of star potential. The following players have the ability to opt out of their current deals: Vince Carter Chauncey Billups Paul Pierce Gerald Wallace Dirk Nowitzki Mike Bibby Rashard Lewis Antawn Jamison</div> Billups, Nowitzki, Bibby, Lewis, and Jamison all have options in their contract. Pierce and Wallace aren't free agents until '08 (pretty sure; according to RealGM at least). So basically, all you have is a 30 year old Vince Carter, and what could Philadelphia offer to him aside from money, which he'll get anywhere he goes? At that point in his career, he's probably going to be thinking about winning a title, not going to a rebuilding franchise. Besides, half those names you named are far from "franchise" players. I don't even know if Gerald Wallace would start on a lot of teams in this league, Mike Bibby's never been an All-Star before in his entire career, and Jamison, Billups, and Lewis have only made on appearance at the ASG. You'd trade away a player like Allen Iverson for the chance to get one of them; not a deal straight up for them, but just the possibility of signing one of them? Is it really worth it?
Here's a possible scenario I came up with to get Zach Randolph, who in my opinion, is the perfect compliment to Gasol in the paint - <u>Memphis Trades</u> Eddie Jones Brian Cardinal <u>Portland Trades</u> Zach Randolph Darius Miles Talent for talent, this trade is extremely lopsided and favors Memphis, but like I've been saying throughout this thread, Eddie Jones' contract makes him worth trading an All-Star for. Also, Randolph and Miles are begging to get out of Portland. If they don't accept this offer, they might have to settle for less. The Grizzlies' lineup afterwards - PG - Damon Stoudamire/Farmar, Lowry, or Rondo/MLE FA (Banks, Van Exel, Delk) SG - Mike Miller/Dahntay Jones/1Mill FA (Penny, Piatkowski, B. Robinson) SF - Shane Battier/Darius Miles PF - Zach Randolph/Hakim Warrick/Lawrence Roberts C - Pau Gasol/Jake Tsakalidis That's a WCF/NBA Title caliber lineup right there.
*cough* Double Post I think your starting to dream VC, no way the the Blazers do that without a future 1st rounder, maybe even this year's pick. Perhaps throw in Hakim Warrick. I wonder if you guys will trade Eddie Jones this summer, does that J-Will trade still look lopsided
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">*cough* Double Post I think your starting to dream VC, no way the the Blazers do that without a future 1st rounder, maybe even this year's pick. Perhaps throw in Hakim Warrick. I wonder if you guys will trade Eddie Jones this summer, does that J-Will trade still look lopsided </div> Not all double posting is bad, especially if it's to revive a thread. If I were to have edited that into an older post, no one would have noticed it. It's not quite the same as someone who posts two or three posts within minutes of eachother. As for the trade proposal, I ran it by a few people on AIM, and they actually thought the Grizzlies gave up more. Remember, the whole concept of trading Eddie Jones is that it's like trading $14 million in cap room. The guy makes as much as the top stars in the NBA, like Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady for example. The Blazers, being a rebuilding team, will want one of two things in return for Randolph and Miles: draft picks or expiring contracts, and Jones' expiring contract is one of the most desirable in the league. Maybe we could throw in Warrick or the draft pick, neither is a huge loss for us, nor would either be a huge gain for Portland, but I think it's a pretty even trade as is. You also have to remember that Randolph and Miles are demanding to be traded from Portland. That puts them in a difficult position, because now other teams will see them as malcontents who'll disrupt team chemistry, and they will also know that Portland's not in the position to reject too many offers with both players refusing to play for them next season, so as a result, their trade value is really shot. If you still need convincing, just think about the long run. If the Blazers do this trade, imagine their roster in three or four years. They'll have young stars like Martell Webster, Sebastian Telfair, Travis Outlaw, and Juan Dixon, plus whoever they pick in this year's draft (T.Thomas, Aldridge, Morrison, etc.). Then you have to take into consideration that next season with a depleted lineup, they'll probably be right back at the bottom of the league standings, therefore in position to get Greg Oden, which would be a pick far too valuable to amount to anything that Randolph and Miles could bring in return. Even if they don't win the lottery then, the 2007 draft is looking to be just as strong as 2003. They could get a budding star like Thaddeus Young, Kevin Durant, or Brandan Wright. Consider the value of playing time to the development of young players like the ones on the Blazers as well. Having players like Randolph and Miles around not only disrupts team chemistry, but it prevents the Blazers from giving time to their future franchise players too. With next year as a rebuilding year, giving their young players time, experience, and a chance to develop chemistry, imagine how good this team could be down the road - PG - Sebastian Telfair/Jarrett Jack SG - Martell Webster/Juan Dixon SF - Travis Outlaw PF - LaMarcus Aldridge C - Greg Oden/Joel Pryzbilla That lineup does not even include the All-Star caliber player they can sign with their cap room in 2007. Imagine one of these guys with that group - LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, or Chauncey Billups. If you find the players on that list to be unrealistic acquisitions, you at least have to be excited about a possible comibination of some of the next best available players out there - Mike Bibby, Boris Diaw, Antwan Jamison, Kirk Hinrich, Luke Ridnour, T.J. Ford, Chris Kaman, Josh Howard, or Darko Milicic. The trade looks great for the Blazers if things turn out like expected.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's a possible scenario I came up with to get Zach Randolph, who in my opinion, is the perfect compliment to Gasol in the paint - <u>Memphis Trades</u> Eddie Jones Brian Cardinal <u>Portland Trades</u> Zach Randolph Darius Miles Talent for talent, this trade is extremely lopsided and favors Memphis, but like I've been saying throughout this thread, Eddie Jones' contract makes him worth trading an All-Star for. Also, Randolph and Miles are begging to get out of Portland. If they don't accept this offer, they might have to settle for less. The Grizzlies' lineup afterwards - PG - Damon Stoudamire/Farmar, Lowry, or Rondo/MLE FA (Banks, Van Exel, Delk) SG - Mike Miller/Dahntay Jones/1Mill FA (Penny, Piatkowski, B. Robinson) SF - Shane Battier/Darius Miles PF - Zach Randolph/Hakim Warrick/Lawrence Roberts C - Pau Gasol/Jake Tsakalidis That's a WCF/NBA Title caliber lineup right there.</div> You can throw D.Miles back to Portland. The guy is way overrated with just athleticism and no jumpshot whatsoever. As for a WCF/NBA title. Slim possibility, but needs more adjustments.
I just read that the Cavs' may be shopping Ilgauskas. He is a legit center with some injury problems in the past (feet I think). I think he would be a decent guy to throw down next to Gasol who could put up 15 pts 10 rebs. easy a night. Would Mike Miller and SaT w/ Wright be enough or too much?
