Larry Brown's next stop might be Golden State

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd like to see Mario Elie take the head coaching reigns if the Warriors make any changes. He has the perfect balance to get this team playing at max potential.

I think he would have the same impact Avery Johnson made with the Mavs. His team has taken on his identity and he's completely transformed their approach to the game from offense to defense.

Both Avery and Elie were locker room leaders for the championship teams they were on. They tell it straight to their players and command respect as a result of it. From what I've heard, Elie already has the Baron's ear and he didn't hold anything back criticizing him for his performance this season.

Elie was always an underdog in the NBA and played with some nastiness. I think his attention to detail and grit are two character areas the Warriors are lacking. He would get this team focused and anyone who doesn't buy into his coaching philosophy is going to be left behind.

Elie has had the opportunity to play for both an offensive minded coach (Rudy T) and defensive disciplinarian (Popovich), and had success in both systems. He'll bring a little of both to which ever team he coaches.

I think Larry Brown would set this franchise further back. This is not the right roster for him to be successful in. He needs hungry veteran players to succeed because he doesn't have the patience anymore.

Rick Adelman probably could use a year away from coaching to re-energize.</div>

It's not going to happen now. They had their time to throw Montgomery under the bus and bring in Elie during the season where we lost all of our momentum and everyone was screaming for a change. They didn't and backed Monty. To fire Montgomery now and hire Elie would be a disaster. Everyone would say "why didn't you just do that earlier? We could have made the playoffs." PR nightmare.

It's either keep Monty and chase a "homerun" like KG (which won't happen) or hire a big name coach and fire Montgomery to save face.

Fire that loser Montgomery, keep JRich, Baron and Dunleavy and trade for some veteran role players. Guaranteed playoff run. If for whatever reason Baron hates Larry Brown then ship him outta here and build the team around JRich. We have to wait for the perfect scenario to have all our variables click together? That's the same problem that got us into this mess.

 

His next stop could be anywhere for all we know...

 

I just don't see why the masses keep blaming the coach for something he can't control like free throws or fixing the passing game (when there's nowhere inside the paint to pass to unless you want to risk it with Foyle or try using either of Dunleavy or Fisher as ballhandlers to get inside). If we rolled with Ellis, Biedrins and Ike we'd be trying to play less like a team and more about getting the ball to them in one-on-one isolations. Don't forget Biedrins is a very limited scorer right now, he gets into foul trouble like crazy, and he shoots below 50% on free throw shooting. That's not really what Mullin or the coaching staff wants in terms of efficiency, but Mullin did design the roster and proved it by signing guys like Murphy/Foyle/Fisher/Dunleavy for 4+ guaranteed year deals worth a ton of money. I think the brass ideally want the team to play halfcourt, play defense, and run if the opportunity presents itself. The problem is they don't set the tone on either end of the floor to play it high risk and they have to play almost perfectly if they want to win. That's especially hard to do if they can't even keep things honest or close with free throw shooting or they've got an inconsistent or raw roster or few good ballhandlers that can shoot or D-up.

Trust me, Larry Brown could fix a few mental things going on with this team because its attitude is a bit better than NY's roster, but he sure won't improve it's defensive/offensive talent because the talent was never there. It was overrated. How many bookies and sports writers agreed that the Warriors would have made the playoffs this season? Very few. I tend to trust people who gamble on sports for a living to be more right than the sports writers who could talk out of their ass. I mean c'mon we do know and remember that the Warriors always play differently in the second half of the season when they're out of the playoff race... We do remember that a season is defined by how they play the first and middle parts of the season while maintaining a steady course in the second, right?

All these years we've switched coaches, it didn't do a darn thing because players assembled by the GM weren't getting it done and they weren't giving the coaches a chance. Besides drafting some nice talented guys, the GM needed to do something else like make good trades and sign guys that won't suck and waste the team budget. Did the Cavs, Nuggets waste any time when they found out they were getting Lebron James or Carmelo Anthony? No. They made moves.

Did Mullin waste time after we found out he was getting Baron Davis? Yes. He made almost no immediate impact moves, unless you count Dunleavy and Eduardo Najera salary dump as "immediate impact".

playing against the best.Anyway, I think coaching will really start mattering when we make the playoffs as higher than an 8th seed because there's little room for error We should really be discussing how hard it is to win in a league where a team is defined by how many different ways they can beat a team... A good team will mix it up inside/outside, on defense, switching tempos, running plays, doing well on isolations to get the mismatch or double team. We do NONE of this stuff under any coach because we've always accumulated mediocre talent to play starting positions and hope it builds chemistry as a team. It's a bad mix and we're slowly finding this out. Mullin has to continue building leverage so he can make the right deals for the now and the future. Hopefully, this will include committment to whatever coach he's rolling with because if the GM and the coach disagree there will be a whole Musselman-Front Office feud all over again or bunch of players quitting on guys like Coach Winters or Coach Cowens.

Just for once... I'd like to see the Warriors stick with a coch for at least 4 years. If the GM can't make the right moves in 1 year or 2 years for the coach to have something good enough to make the playoffs with, then it needs to be 4 years. I think we can make trades since Fisher's and Foyle's deals might be near expiring by that time. They'll be easier to move than they are in their first, second, third years of their five year deals. I could be wrong but I think Fisher actually had a six year deal or something... it was some insane thing that Mullin did in his rookie GM year.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Davis is Marbury with a couple extra pounds and a worse pg%. </div>

Well, except Baron can throw down phat windmill dunks and break the backboard on Marbury's dome, while Marbury can barely touch the rim.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">

Did Mullin waste time after we found out he was getting Baron Davis? Yes. He made almost no immediate impact moves, unless you count Dunleavy and Eduardo Najera salary dump as "immediate impact".
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I have to disagree with you here. Mullin did make an "immediate impact", he gave Dunleavy a pointless 44 million extension and now we have no cap space. Mullin is great. It was also awesome how he wasted that 5 mil exception.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I just don't see why the masses keep blaming the coach for something he can't control like free throws or fixing the passing game (when there's nowhere inside the paint to pass to unless you want to risk it with Foyle or try using either of Dunleavy or Fisher as ballhandlers to get inside). If we rolled with Ellis, Biedrins and Ike we'd be trying to play less like a team and more about getting the ball to them in one-on-one isolations. Don't forget Biedrins is a very limited scorer right now, he gets into foul trouble like crazy, and he shoots below 50% on free throw shooting. That's not really what Mullin or the coaching staff wants in terms of efficiency, but Mullin did design the roster and proved it by signing guys like Murphy/Foyle/Fisher/Dunleavy for 4+ guaranteed year deals worth a ton of money. I think the brass ideally want the team to play halfcourt, play defense, and run if the opportunity presents itself. The problem is they don't set the tone on either end of the floor to play it high risk and they have to play almost perfectly if they want to win. That's especially hard to do if they can't even keep things honest or close with free throw shooting or they've got an inconsistent or raw roster or few good ballhandlers that can shoot or D-up.

Trust me, Larry Brown could fix a few mental things going on with this team because its attitude is a bit better than NY's roster, but he sure won't improve it's defensive/offensive talent because the talent was never there. It was overrated. How many bookies and sports writers agreed that the Warriors would have made the playoffs this season? Very few. I tend to trust people who gamble on sports for a living to be more right than the sports writers who could talk out of their ass. I mean c'mon we do know and remember that the Warriors always play differently in the second half of the season when they're out of the playoff race... We do remember that a season is defined by how they play the first and middle parts of the season while maintaining a steady course in the second, right?

All these years we've switched coaches, it didn't do a darn thing because players assembled by the GM weren't getting it done and they weren't giving the coaches a chance. Besides drafting some nice talented guys, the GM needed to do something else like make good trades and sign guys that won't suck and waste the team budget. Did the Cavs, Nuggets waste any time when they found out they were getting Lebron James or Carmelo Anthony? No. They made moves.

Did Mullin waste time after we found out he was getting Baron Davis? Yes. He made almost no immediate impact moves, unless you count Dunleavy and Eduardo Najera salary dump as "immediate impact".

playing against the best.Anyway, I think coaching will really start mattering when we make the playoffs as higher than an 8th seed because there's little room for error We should really be discussing how hard it is to win in a league where a team is defined by how many different ways they can beat a team... A good team will mix it up inside/outside, on defense, switching tempos, running plays, doing well on isolations to get the mismatch or double team. We do NONE of this stuff under any coach because we've always accumulated mediocre talent to play starting positions and hope it builds chemistry as a team. It's a bad mix and we're slowly finding this out. Mullin has to continue building leverage so he can make the right deals for the now and the future. Hopefully, this will include committment to whatever coach he's rolling with because if the GM and the coach disagree there will be a whole Musselman-Front Office feud all over again or bunch of players quitting on guys like Coach Winters or Coach Cowens.

Just for once... I'd like to see the Warriors stick with a coch for at least 4 years. If the GM can't make the right moves in 1 year or 2 years for the coach to have something good enough to make the playoffs with, then it needs to be 4 years. I think we can make trades since Fisher's and Foyle's deals might be near expiring by that time. They'll be easier to move than they are in their first, second, third years of their five year deals. I could be wrong but I think Fisher actually had a six year deal or something... it was some insane thing that Mullin did in his rookie GM year.</div>

I can't agree with you. We needed somebody to get Baron and Dunleavy on the same page and it never happened. Our frontline played with little to no effort while Montgomery didn't do anything. He didn't motivate or punish them. Just sat back complacently and continued to play them. There was no threat for them to play their roles because they were sitting back knowing Montgomery wasn't going to hold them accountable.

Your opinion is your own but the statistics are not with you here. Montgomery's had two years and nothing....There's only been one college coach to ever successfully coach in the NBA (ironically Larry Brown) and the players were quoted in the paper saying they've lost respect for him. How can you possibly turn around from that? If Montgomery even makes it to year 4, it would be an absolute miracle and that's no exaggeration.

The talent was there to make the playoffs. You have an elite backcourt and a team with the confidence to beat any team. If injuries happen then .500 basketball is probable. Matching last year's win total after only getting more talent is inexcusable. It was so transparent that Montgomery is around for the ride and if they didn't make a trade, we wouldn't have made the playoffs. That's exactly what happened. Montgomery is a JOKE!!!!!!

I'm going to be screaming bloody murder until Montgomery is FIRED!!!!!

 

Brown is a genius for the right players. If he does make a stop here you Warriors fans better get ready for one hell of a season.

 

to be concise...it's not the best fit, but he's a hell of a lot better than montgomery.

 

Brown is a system coach and he needs players to buy into and play within his system. I believe that's why he doesn't believe in playing rookies, he needs to mold and shape their game before he trusts them. Its also why his system backfired in NY. He couldn't implement a system if Starbury and Crawford were free-lancing.

The W's have yet to show that they can play in any type of system. Whether its a good or bad one setup by Montgomery. While Brown has had success with the Pistons and mixed success in Philly and Indiana, I believe it all depends on a team's organization and the GM's willingness to work with Brown in shaping a team. Obviously Isiah wasn't too keen on giving Brown a team he could work with.

If Cohan does decide to make the move, I believe its ultimately up to him to bring in his Hampton's neighbor, then Mullin will have to work with Brown. In his NBA career, Brown has 4 losing seasons. Its hard to dispute his success, but its also difficult to predict whether the Knicks experiment will be repeated if he's hired to coach the W's.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Just for once... I'd like to see the Warriors stick with a coch for at least 4 years. If the GM can't make the right moves in 1 year or 2 years for the coach to have something good enough to make the playoffs with, then it needs to be 4 years.</div>

I'd agree with you on this one... but I'd add to the end of it. "Unless you can get Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson"

 

I'm all for Larry Bronze, what this team needs, again, is a culture change. That was one of the best things Muss did, he came in jazzed up the practice facilities, made players aware of a glorious Warriors past, made it a point to protect home court, etc. No one respects Monty, and how could they, he hasn't proven anything in two years, except for the fact that he can draw up a helluva out of bounds play (which in all honesty I've never seen anyone do it better). The team was waiting for him time and time again to show he cares, when they are getting continually screwed on foul calls get a T, get thrown out, fire up the team and the crowd, and most importantly show the team that you have their back, but he never, ever did it (except once and it was so contrived it did nothing).

Brown is a smart guy, he won't just play Foyle because he's a veteran, he'll see what Foyle can and can't do, and play him accordingly. He knows what it takes to win in this league, and how to do it, with the parts he is given. Monty is a good coach, but he doesn't know how to win in the NBA, and why would he, he never played or coached. I think the problem Larry had in NY was the team was much worse off than the Warriors are right now, so he wanted to deconstruct the whole team, tear them down, get them out of their bad habits and comfort zones and then try to build them back up and get them to play the right kind of winning basketball, but since the team Isiah is "building" involves so many head cases, who make so much money, they just didn't care. I think our guys genuinely care about the game and winning, but they just haven't been put in the right situation to do so, the whole key is bi-polar Baron, if he can play up to his potential and buy into Brown's system because he respects a guy who has been around the NBA for 20 years, and won, then we have a shot.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know, maybe because Davis was 2nd in the league in assists/game on a team with no true shooters?</div>

Plenty of guys on the Warriors can shoot. Besides, what makes you think that its easier to get assists if there's shooters on your team? I actually think its easier to get dimes when you have slashers on your team (look at the Nets).

People need to stop defining a point guards success based on how much their team is like Steve Nash's. He gets a lot of assists from shooters, but the Suns are a rarity.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">No one respects Monty, and how could they, he hasn't proven anything in two years, except for the fact that he can draw up a helluva out of bounds play (which in all honesty I've never seen anyone do it better)..</div>
Is this the fans or the media's speculation of things? Just wonderin because I don't know if I believe in this whole Baron-Monty feud. Plus, I'm not even sure a coach should/shouldn't have to act like a Dunleavy Jr. and be calm and seemingly passive. I don't know if Monty has lost control of the team, but it's more about if the team is understanding how to play together and if they don't they should be fired. I tell ya the reason the out of bounds plays are great is because they got a small forward who can pass and guys like Murphy/Baron/Fisher/Jrich who can catch and produce. Take away Pietrus and Foyle and Dunleavy from scoring, you got execution there and less momentum killing plays. The big problem with translating all of this to a motion offense is you need at least some inside presence in the form of a center and you need the point to understand how to intiate and set up plays. We don't have that because the centers are too raw or unproductive in catching the ball and finishing or the point guards aren't the type who possess any court vision or patience while running offense.

What we got here is lazy ball where we try to run n' gun but we don't play defense or rebound half as well as the Phoenix Suns. Their frontline kills our frontline even though we've got taller and heavier players. On a slow team that struggles on defense we really needed to keep a tight ship on executing offensive plays and playing tough team defense. Every bad choice of an outside shot we hoist it fuels the other team's running game because our transition defense and defense against dribble penetration really sucks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Plenty of guys on the Warriors can shoot. Besides, what makes you think that its easier to get assists if there's shooters on your team? I actually think its easier to get dimes when you have slashers on your team (look at the Nets).

People need to stop defining a point guards success based on how much their team is like Steve Nash's. He gets a lot of assists from shooters, but the Suns are a rarity.</div>

?

The Nets have shooters.

Driving and kicking out is an easy way to get an assist, if you kick out to a shooter. Half of Steve Nash's assists are kickouts for jumpshots to Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Diaw, etc.

So, uh, yeah, it's much easier to get assists if the guys you pass to can make shots.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">?

The Nets have shooters.

Driving and kicking out is an easy way to get an assist, if you kick out to a shooter. Half of Steve Nash's assists are kickouts for jumpshots to Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Diaw, etc.

So, uh, yeah, it's much easier to get assists if the guys you pass to can make shots.</div>

And if 1.) our center can catch the ball 2.) our center can finish a play under the hoop.


I swear our starting center is an embarassment to our team on the way he bobbles rebounds/passes and he can't even score on an uncontested layup or dunk. Talk about the guy with the least amount of finesse, court awareness or basketball I.Q.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Plenty of guys on the Warriors can shoot. Besides, what makes you think that its easier to get assists if there's shooters on your team? I actually think its easier to get dimes when you have slashers on your team (look at the Nets).

People need to stop defining a point guards success based on how much their team is like Steve Nash's. He gets a lot of assists from shooters, but the Suns are a rarity.</div>

Dude the Warrors have neither shooters or slashers. Trust me, our PF shoots 43%, our SF shoots 40%, and our center is the worst player in the league.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude the Warrors have neither shooters or slashers. Trust me, our PF shoots 43%, our SF shoots 40%, and our center is the worst player in the league.</div>

Don't forget post players.. don't have any of those either.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Is this the fans or the media's speculation of things? Just wonderin because I don't know if I believe in this whole Baron-Monty feud. </div>
You beat me too it Custodian.

Can anyone who believes the players don't respect Montgomery give me a link to an article where a player is actually quoted as saying they don't respect Montgomery?

upsidedownside7, you said that players were quoted saying they have lost respect for Montgomery. All I can remember are articles where guys like Skip Bayless have stated that it's clear to them that the players don't respect Montgomery. If it's an editorial from the writer and not a direct quote from a player, I just don't believe it.

I have little or no respect for most of the bay area writers who are predominently critcal of the Warriors. Guys like Tim Kawakami, Skip Bayless, and Davel Del Grande have shown over the years that they have little basketball sense and even less insight into the goings on of the Warriors. I'm not saying that I don't like them because they're bashing my team. I'm saying it because these guys are generally clueless and tend to err on the side of the inflamatory comment because it sells better. These writers are very different from say Janny Hu and Marcus Thompson (or Matt Steinmetz or Brad Weinstein when they were beat writers). Bayless, Kawakami, and Del Grande editorialize while Hu and Thompson report the facts. They're critical only because negativity sells better than optimism.

My guess is that the first three writers are responsible for people believing Montgomery has lost control of the team. Now if you say, "wtwalker (or Trevor if you prefer), these writers have more access to the Warriors than you do, so I'll take their opinion over yours." I'll say, "That's fine." But I'll also remind you that Bayless wrote a piece after the '04 draft saying that the Warriors got an F on their draft report card because they didn't take Reece Gaines, who could do everything Pietrus could do, plus play point guard. And I'll remind you that for about two years before Jamison was traded, Kawakami had written countless articles on how the Warriors should do everything possible to trade Jamison so they could get his contract off the books and make room for Dunleavy.

Now, I'll happily admit that I was wrong if anyone can find a quote from a player who says he doesn't respect Montgomery. I'm jiust saying that I've never read one myself, and have always thought the whole "lack of respect" thing was a total media creation.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">You beat me too it Custodian.

Can anyone who believes the players don't respect Montgomery give me a link to an article where a player is actually quoted as saying they don't respect Montgomery?

upsidedownside7, you said that players were quoted saying they have lost respect for Montgomery. All I can remember are articles where guys like Skip Bayless have stated that it's clear to them that the players don't respect Montgomery. If it's an editorial from the writer and not a direct quote from a player, I just don't believe it.

I have little or no respect for most of the bay area writers who are predominently critcal of the Warriors. Guys like Tim Kawakami, Skip Bayless, and Davel Del Grande have shown over the years that they have little basketball sense and even less insight into the goings on of the Warriors. I'm not saying that I don't like them because they're bashing my team. I'm saying it because these guys are generally clueless and tend to err on the side of the inflamatory comment because it sells better. These writers are very different from say Janny Hu and Marcus Thompson (or Matt Steinmetz or Brad Weinstein when they were beat writers). Bayless, Kawakami, and Del Grande editorialize while Hu and Thompson report the facts. They're critical only because negativity sells better than optimism.

My guess is that the first three writers are responsible for people believing Montgomery has lost control of the team. Now if you say, "wtwalker (or Trevor if you prefer), these writers have more access to the Warriors than you do, so I'll take their opinion over yours." I'll say, "That's fine." But I'll also remind you that Bayless wrote a piece after the '04 draft saying that the Warriors got an F on their draft report card because they didn't take Reece Gaines, who could do everything Pietrus could do, plus play point guard. And I'll remind you that for about two years before Jamison was traded, Kawakami had written countless articles on how the Warriors should do everything possible to trade Jamison so they could get his contract off the books and make room for Dunleavy.

Now, I'll happily admit that I was wrong if anyone can find a quote from a player who says he doesn't respect Montgomery. I'm jiust saying that I've never read one myself, and have always thought the whole "lack of respect" thing was a total media creation.</div>

My interpretation of Monty losing the respect wasn't quoted in this manner...

Fisher: I've lost respect for Monty. Can him.

From what I remember the article was implying the player's were urging Monty to take control of the team and Monty acknowledging he needs to take control. Pretty sure Fish said something along those lines and the writer added the team has lost respect for him. Even from the worst columnist it wasn't a statement that strayed too far from that writer's opinion. From your posts over the years I believe you said your a law student so let's throw this argument out the window, exhibit A in inadmisable. It's not like this one quote is the only evidence showing Montgomery is not cut out for the pro game. I'm not going to pin a value I feel THIS STRONGLY about on some writer looking to pimp his paper, these guys have their own agendas.

You can look at this year and conclude that this team has zero chance with Montgomery and he has NOBODY'S RESPECT, just look at the results. This year was some of the worst fundamental basketball I've seen in a while and it was the same old thing over and over again. Horrible shot selection, horrible defense, and zero intelligence on the court. How many times did we foul when we were in the penalty? How many times did we jack up contested 3 pointer after 3 pointer? How many times did Monty go with small ball even though we couldn't get a rebound to save our lives? That's an extension of the coach. Any playoff coach let alone legendary coaches will hold somebody accountable and change the losing RESULT. This ain't the NFL, your not paid for the yardage, your paid for the final score. Basically our goal was to get the 7th-8th seed. Let's see what our good friend Bob Sh*tzgerald has to say.

"Lets get the stats out of the way when discussing this past season. The Warriors went 7-14 in games decided by three points or less. That is the most games decided by three or less for any team in the league (21). Also, the most losses (14). Going through the schedule, the Warriors played 32 wire job games. These were games decided in the last two minutes, with the team up or down by no more than three points. The Warriors went 9-23 in those games. Now, 23 heartbreaking losses out of 48 total is an incredible amount for any team." http://www.nba.com/warriors/interactive/fi...og_april06.html

How could anyone possibly excuse this stat? If we were blown out every game that is telling you don't have enough talent, you need a couple more years of the lottery. The 9-23 win loss record concerning the "wirejobs" is a complete joke. Not only did we have the opportunity to win all of those games, any good coach gets you to at least .500. You can blame Foyle @ center, Baron going down, Murphy not boxing out...whatever but a lot of these teams have the same problems, it's just a different animal and most of them aren't that good. You have Richardson, you have Baron Davis you should be playing .500 basketball for these close games...period. Obviously the talent was there to keep them in the game but when it came game management it went out the window....who's in charge? Monty. Game management is a given among good coaches, it's the talent and strategies that's the hardest and outside of the talent assembled for him, Monty failed at everything.

The sad part is the player's continued the same behavior over and over and over again. What is that telling you? Whatever it was the players were doing it certainly did NOT change. Whether it's playing different guys, going over strategies, motivating player's, playing mind games etc. A credible coach would do ANYTHING to get these guys to respond. We did start 12-6 and we absolutely crumbled and continued to crumble for the rest of the year? Ridiculous, there is simply no excuse to justify that.

Montgomery got his star (Baron Davis), he got a post player with Ike, he has a nice scorer in JRich....get a playoff spot, hell get .500 basketball. Even after adding Baron and Ike we don't have a single more win than last year. It is cut and dry Montgomery wasn't a long term hire. The most probable scenario in my mind was hire the opposite of Musselman, get somebody who's willing to get input and is known to work with young kids. During the Van Exel trade Mullin courted Elie and got him to agree to come to Golden State. Have a college "legend" work with the kids and then hand it off to Elie. He probably didn't expect Montgomery not only to fail to improve the ball team but make it worse. We go from back to back 38 win seasons to back to back 34. Mullin is doing the honorable thing by standing by his guy, taking the heat and trying to unite his team and Monty together but the same problems will be there. Monty is in over his head.

If you have a chance to get Larry Brown, you do it. This organization missed the boat the last time and would be an AWFUL mistake if they failed to do it again. For whatever reason if Brown wants to be rid of Ike or Biedrins(which I doubt), would that keep you from hiring him? Having a proven winner? Getting the maximum out of every team he has coached? (except NY) How good are those guys going to be? I'd be suprised if they are anything above roleplayers. Biedrins has the more potential but Ike ain't gonna be a star. Too small, too slow and not enough D. I like him but let's be real, best case scenario he's going to be a better Troy Murphy type PF. Biedrins is the one possibility that hurts but if we turn him into a veteran bigman and we are a contender, then you won't see me crying. It's not like Biedrins is Jermaine O'Neal. We've seen him for two years and he has no form of a face up game or any game outside of 5 feet of the bucket. I love his defense but he's not going to be a star either. Every single player is tradeable as long as the team gets better, Brown will get you there.

Trevor....live in the now....the chances of Montgomery sticking in the league are slim to none. Only once in basketball history (the man we should hire Larry Brown) has a college coach made the transition. He's had 2 years and I see no form on coherent basketball, obviously the players don't respect Monty if they aren't listening to him and not playing to their roles. I can only say so much before people cover their ears and start yelling to themselves. Unless Mullin lands a HUGE Fish and gets KG ordoes some fancy work to this roster, Monty is out by the next all star break. The guy is around for the ride, that's it.