<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">AUBURN HILLS - Whoever thought it would come to this? Of all things to question about the Pistons, who'd have guessed it would be their confidence? This is the team that went into New Jersey down 3-2 two years ago, on the heels of not just a three-game losing streak, but a tripleovertime home loss, to boot, beat the Nets after spotting them a 13-2 lead and then came home to win Game 7 in a rout. Lack of confidence? The Pistons of Rasheed Wallace and Big Shot Billups and Big Ben? But wait. It's not quite the same team after all, is it? That team hadn't yet won a championship. That team hadn't lived since November, as this one has, with everyone proclaiming it the best in basketball by a mile. That team ... had Larry Brown. This one has Flip Saunders. He's the only apparent signifi cant difference. And if the Pistons go down in this series the way they've gone down in three straight mind-blowing losses - almost meekly, with no evidence of the big-play swagger that came to be their trademark - then there's only one apparent conclusion to be drawn: This inexplicable lack of confidence somehow traces back to the head coach. And if you think that doesn't put him under enormous pressure as the Pistons head to Cleveland for a make-or-break Game 6, consider that less than six months after the Red Wings hired Mike Babcock, he was the dean of Detroit coaches. There are only two certainties to modern professional coaching: you get rich and you get fi red. "No more pressure than what the players are feeling," Saunders said after Thursday's practice, the morning after the third straight loss to a Cleveland team that got to the second round completely satisfied with itself for having survived the fi rst. "We're all here to win a championship." If the Pistons lose to 21-year-old LeBron James, nobody is going to say they failed to win that championship because of Rasheed's twisted ankle or his fl apping gums. This one's going on Flip's resume. They won one NBA title and came about three good minutes away from repeating under Brown with essentially the same team. And it was a team that stamped itself as an extremely agreeable bunch that would go in whatever direction their coach pointed them. So if they take the exit ramp out of the second round, the loud assumption will be that it was Saunders at the wheel. I'd say 98 percent of the grousing going on in Detroit barber shops and beer joints about Saunders is garbage. My e-mails Thursday morning were stuffed with complaints that ranged from Rasheed played too much on a bum ankle to Rasheed needed to be on the floor in the fourth quarter. I've played, watched and written about basketball for 40 years, but am I going to get into an X and O debate with Flip Saunders? Come on. That's like a remedial math student questioning the calculus of a Harvard professor. Here's what I will say: Saunders came to Detroit renowned as nothing less than an offensive genius. He'd been in the league 10 years and nobody had yet to figure out his offense, it was said. So how come against Cleveland, a team never acknowledged as more than barely competent defensively, the Pistons suddenly can't get the shots they want? How come they haven't routinely exploited a Cleveland defensive tactic - switching bigs for littles on every Pistons screen, leaving centers isolated on guards and guards to check the likes of Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess in the post - that screams of desperation? When they're paying you $5 million a year, you'd better come up with something in the course of a playoff series that makes your boss go, "Hmmm. That was a pretty shrewd little coaching maneuver ol' Flip just threw at the Cavs." Never mind the fans. Do you suppose Joe Dumars has had any such moments? And, again, we're not talking about X's and O's, or solely about the endless tactical maneuvering that changes on nearly every possession. We're talking mostly about the environment a coach creates, the way he carries himself in critical moments, the vibe he emits to his team. If the Pistons lack confi - dence, then that indicts their coach. And all those fans perched on barber chairs and barstools can see that the Pistons doubt themselves right now, taking shots they haven't taken all year and missing the ones they have. "It's almost like when you're in a fi ght," Saunders said, "and you don't expect to get knocked down. You get knocked down and you're a little bit groggy when you get back up. You keep on fi ghting through, and you put yourself in a situation to throw some haymakers back at them. We've got to get in that situation where we get our aggressiveness back at both ends. We started to do that in the fourth quarter a little bit last night." Here's my question: Why did Saunders essentially let the same game play out three straight times? "We lost three in a row," Billups said. "I never thought that would happen, us get beat three in a row. But it's happened." Billups looks lost. So does Hamilton. Rasheed Wallace wasn't playing like the most versatile big man in basketball should even before his ankle bent gruesomely. Tayshaun Prince is a wonderful fourth option, but not the guy you'd put at the center of your offense. So you can say it's not Flip's fault that all those shots they made through the winter and into the spring are suddenly flying errant, but what's the likelier conclusion? That a team that showed championship mettle even before it won a championship suddenly has lost its stomach for the fight? Or that the conductor of this marvelous ensemble orchestra suddenly has them off beat? "I wouldn't say we've lost any confidence," Billups said. "When you're playing well and you're in a rhythm, of course you're going to have that little swagger. When you're not, the swagger might not be there. But that doesn't mean your confidence isn't. We've got a confident group by nature. Ask anybody in this gym are we going to win this series, I don't think you'll fi nd anybody hesitating. And not just saying it, but really believing it." </div> Source
i dont think its necessarily flips fault. Those past teams were underdogs when they were at there best, they played hard blue collar basketball. With all the focus on them this year they're playing like a bunch of prima dona's. They're playing like they feel they can win at 75%. This team has sooo much talent on it and they're not doing it they're not coming out the way the past teams have come out. They're not playing effecient basketball, they're not dominating on the defensive end, they're not dominating the boards and getting the oodles of second chance points they've become accustomed to. Quite frankly they dont deserve to win this series. I predicted this though, back with 10+ games left in the season i said that they wouldnt get past the second round....them being on top for the entire season has deminished their blue collar work ethic...they're trying to win on talent and talent alone now, not team work or grit.
Joe Dumars, and everyone, thought that Larry Brown was having a strangle hold on the Pistons offense. Everyone wanted to upgrade the offense but what Larry Brown knew was that the Pistons are at their best in a grind-it-out style rather than an uptempo offense. Pistons basketball used to be "move the ball around, work the shot clock, when there's less than 7 seconds left find the best shot". They also ran a lot more but wouldn't force it if they didn't have a high percentage shots (a missed shot or turnover would not play into their plan which I explain now). That style of basketball is demoralizing because the Pistons are getting stops on one end, they're scoring in the other or getting second chances, they dominate the boards, they posted up A LOT MORE than they do now (Billups barely posts up PGs, which he used to do all the time. Tayshaun used to have a lot of post plays called for him. Even the trigger happy Rip Hamilton would exploit a mismatch when it presented itself. As did McDyess. Rasheed is the only one posting up and he also gets happy with outside shooting. Also, their frontcourt could hit the boards or tap it out). All this produces a slow pace where opportunities to score are VERY LIMITED. Go look back at the Pistons Championship run if you have the DVD (or remember) if you don't believe me. Compare that team to this one and you see how the Pistons were playing to their strengths under Larry Brown. That style of basketball doesn't always get you the #1 seed overall. But that's the regular season and this philosphy gets it done in the postseason at home or on the road. Joe Dumars is ultimately responsible cuz he hired a coach that didn't fit the team. But hey, he's entitled to a mistake after what he's done for them.
It isnt Flip's fault, he's not out on the court taking the shots, its not his fault we've shot so poorly, that boils down to our players. Flip runs the plays, and they have been working, we just havent been able to execute them to sucess, an that lies solely on the players.
Yeah I think you guys, are acting like we already lost this series...we are the Detroit Pistons, they could be up 3-0 and we would still have a serious chance.
funny how people forget that Larry was down 3-2 a few times during his time in Detroit and still managed to win the series. Same will apply here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">funny how people forget that Larry was down 3-2 a few times during his time in Detroit and still managed to win the series. Same will apply here.</div>I don't disagree but you have to admit that Larry faced way better teams in the Nets, Heat, and Spurs. The Cavs aren't on the same level as those teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't disagree but you have to admit that Larry faced way better teams in the Nets, Heat, and Spurs. The Cavs aren't on the same level as those teams.</div>What about the Magic a few years back? Larry's Pistons were down 3-1 to that horrible team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't disagree but you have to admit that Larry faced way better teams in the Nets, Heat, and Spurs. The Cavs aren't on the same level as those teams.</div> While that is true, Pistons came into this series not expecting much of a battle. They didn't respect the Cavs but when their backs are against the wall they perform. No matter who is playing. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What about the Magic a few years back? Larry's Pistons were down 3-1 to that horrible team.</div> that was under Rick Carisle not Larry Brown.