LeBron and Jordan-- Third Year Comparisons

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  1. Chuck

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    Third year comparison

    86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.0 3.2 5.2 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1

    Playoffs: Swept in first round by Celtics
    Team record: 40-42
    Age: 24

    05-06 CLE 79 79 42.5 .480 .335 .738 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.56 0.84 3.29 2.30 31.4

    Playoffs: Lost in 7 games to the #1 team in the NBA (let's be cynical here)
    Team Record: 50-32
    Age: 21



    The only thing this proves is that Scottie Pippen isn't so crazy with what he said the other night regarding the 3rd year comparisons.
     
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    What did Pippen say?
     
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    they need to stop comparing both of them. their to differant players.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityVC15:</div><div class="quote_post">they need to stop comparing both of them. their to differant players.</div>

    yea I agree...let each man be himself
     
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    Why do people get so annoyed with player comparisons?

    That's a part of having fun with the game. Drawing comparisons between current and past players. I swear, some people treat Jordan like he's sanctified.
     
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    What did Pippen say? I missed that part.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do people get so annoyed with player comparisons?

    That's a part of having fun with the game. Drawing comparisons between current and past players. I swear, some people treat Jordan like he's sanctified.</div>
    He is. His name is being used in vain these day.
     
  8. Manhops23

    Manhops23 Hi Rim my name is Lebron!

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    He said something about how michael jordan led them pass the cleveland cavliers in jordan's third year and cleveland was considered a better team. He said it was Michael showing he was the best player in the game and Lebron did the same with the wizards and proving to be the best in the game.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do people get so annoyed with player comparisons?

    That's a part of having fun with the game. Drawing comparisons between current and past players. I swear, some people treat Jordan like he's sanctified.</div>
    It's not that that annoys ppl. You can't say Lebron is better than MJ or Kobe, because he isn't. So the next best thing would be throw out a silly hypothetical like "but in 5 years he'll be the greatest". Or they'll sit and say "well he's the best 21yrs old EVER". [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do people get so annoyed with player comparisons?

    That's a part of having fun with the game. Drawing comparisons between current and past players. I swear, some people treat Jordan like he's sanctified.</div>

    People get annoyed because the comparisons are irrelevant. Jordan and LeBron play different way's and have different roles in the team. Jordan's role was to basically score, LeBron's role is to be more balanced and do a bit of everything. It's like comparing Shaq and Iverson, but less extreme. If there was a great in which LeBron could be compared to, it would be Magic Johnson.

    Third Year Comparions

    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Magic Johnson: MPG: 38.3RPG: 9.6APG: 9.5SPG: 2.7BPG: 0.4PPG: 18.6FG%: .537<br/><br/>LeBron James:MPG: 42.5RPG: 7.0APG: 6.6SPG: 1.6BPG: 0.8PPG: 31.4FG%: .480<br/></div>

    The only difference between the two is that Magic was one year older in the third season.
     
  11. Chuck

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    Thanks! I couldn't find the Magic stats.


    By the way, Scottie Pippen said he would rather have LeBron (in his 3rd year) than Jordan (in his 3rd year), as a teammate. I see where he is coming from now, although I don't necessarily agree


    Also-- people who get annoyed with player comparisons usually can't even come up with a coherent argument about anything. "THARE DIFRENT PALYERZ!1111" No, ya think?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">People get annoyed because the comparisons are irrelevant. Jordan and LeBron play different way's and have different roles in the team. Jordan's role was to basically score, LeBron's role is to be more balanced and do a bit of everything. It's like comparing Shaq and Iverson, but less extreme. If there was a great in which LeBron could be compared to, it would be Magic Johnson.
    </div>

    Of course, they have different styles. But broadly speaking, they are similar type players -- prolific scoring wing players that also have to create plays for teammates and rebound. It's not like there are dozens of players that fall into that category.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ManHops23:</div><div class="quote_post">He said something about how michael jordan led them pass the cleveland cavliers in jordan's third year and cleveland was considered a better team. He said it was Michael showing he was the best player in the game and Lebron did the same with the wizards and proving to be the best in the game.</div>

    That's kind of dumb, because the Wizards weren't a better team than the Cavs during the regular season. People act like the Cavs just barely got into the playoffs. They won 50 games. They should have been favored to win the series.

    Now, if LeBron manages to get past Detroit -- then that argument has a bit more merit.
     
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    LeBron is MOST DEFINETLY a better marketing machine than MJ was in his 3rd season. And at a younger age too.
     
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    I'd rather have Magic Johnson his rookie year than MJ or Lebron their 3rd year. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trench:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd rather have Magic Johnson his rookie year than MJ or Lebron their 3rd year. [​IMG]</div>

    I second that opinion...good one Trench. Magic is a more well rounded player than both Lebron or MJ but i do respect what both lebron and Mj do. its just that magic is the better overall player, IMO.
     
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    dude i so agrre with VinsanityVC15 100%
     
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    I rather have a third year lebron he averaged 30 points like 6 or 7 assists and like 8 or 7 boards.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ManHops23:</div><div class="quote_post">I rather have a third year lebron he averaged 30 points like 6 or 7 assists and like 8 or 7 boards.</div>
    Yeah, Jordan averaged 7 more points, but LeBron made up for it in assists and rebounds, while having the same amount of TOs as MJ.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">People get annoyed because the comparisons are irrelevant. Jordan and LeBron play different way's and have different roles in the team. Jordan's role was to basically score, LeBron's role is to be more balanced and do a bit of everything. It's like comparing Shaq and Iverson, but less extreme. If there was a great in which LeBron could be compared to, it would be Magic Johnson.

    Third Year Comparions

    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Magic Johnson: MPG: 38.3RPG: 9.6APG: 9.5SPG: 2.7BPG: 0.4PPG: 18.6FG%: .537<br/><br/>LeBron James:MPG: 42.5RPG: 7.0APG: 6.6SPG: 1.6BPG: 0.8PPG: 31.4FG%: .480<br/></div>

    The only difference between the two is that Magic was one year older in the third season.</div>
    First of all, obviously it's nothing like comparing Shaq and Iverson, and secondly, Jordan's role early on was actually to do everything. He had the exact same role as Lebron, except he was also a defensive stopper. So, no, they actually didn't have different roles, Jordan didn't average 32-8-8 by just being a scorer.

    The difference is in how they play, not what the roles are right now. Later when Pippen came, Jordan was less of a playmaker, though still one, and that's what Cleveland will need to do with Lebron. Actually earlier in the year he was doing less playmaking, with Larry Hughes doing more.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He said something about how michael jordan led them pass the cleveland cavliers in jordan's third year and cleveland was considered a better team. He said it was Michael showing he was the best player in the game and Lebron did the same with the wizards and proving to be the best in the game.</div>
    The Wizards won like 9 games less than the Cavs, lol, what season were you watching? The Cavs were the favourites like durvasa already said.
     

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