http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/uwire/051906aaa.html <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I have my first workout with a team next week -- with Golden State, I believe, and Shelden is working out for them too. One of us is going to work out with them Wednesday, the other Thursday."</div> Just what we need... another shooter from Duke.
I guess we'll have another whipping boy besides Dunleavy if we draft him. Not that this franchise has few of those.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityVC15:</div><div class="quote_post">JJ or d fish?make ur decision.</div> Drafting JJ would just mean less minutes for Monta.
Yeah this would be an awful selection. The Warriors must get another big man. Either a center or PF, or even an oversized, athletic SF like the 6'9" Rudy Gay. That would be great because he could compete with Dunleavy at the 3-spot. But JJ doesn't fit in anywhere.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah this would be an awful selection. The Warriors must get another big man. Either a center or PF, or even an oversized, athletic SF like the 6'9" Rudy Gay. </div> Dunleavy is actually 6'9" too so I don't think it would be much of an issue since Rudy Gay is more athletic and faster than Dunleavy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah this would be an awful selection. The Warriors must get another big man. Either a center or PF, or even an oversized, athletic SF like the 6'9" Rudy Gay. That would be great because he could compete with Dunleavy at the 3-spot. But JJ doesn't fit in anywhere.</div> I agree with that. I highly doubt Gay lasts to the 9th pick. My current Warriors draft board would be this: 1. Ronnie Brewer 2. Tiago Splitter 3. Patrick O'Bryant 4. Shawne Williams 5. Shelden Williams 6. Rodney Carney This is assuming no top prospects fall to us, maybe Tiago is considered a top 10 pick but his draft stock is shaky with buyout issues. I believe Brewer is the best fit for us because hes a great ball handler and a good passer. Plays solid defense and has good foot speed. He can penetrate and hes a decent shooter, good compliment to J-Rich who plays alot like a SF. Splitter is just a solid two-way PF/C, his defense is pretty good and he can score. Hard to tell what he'll be like in the NBA but hes got good skills and hes fairly athletic for a 7 footer. O'Bryant is another project big man with good athleticism for his height. He won't contribute much immediately but after a season or two I tihnk he'll be a good shot blocker and rebounder. Shawne Williams is my favorite player of the bunch, hes a good ball handler at 6'9 and has good athleticism. Blocks alot of shots and gets alot of steals, his jumpshot is average but can be improved with time. Athleticism allows him to score well around the rim. Shelden Williams is a good rebounder and defender but we want more athleticism and size in the frontcourt. Shelden will definitely be better than Foyle but hes not what we need. Carney would be a bad fit for our team. Hes the second coming of Pietrus; athletic and a decent shooter but doesnt have a good handle, falls in love with the 3, has good defensive potential but gets lazy sometimes, and doesnt have a great feel for the game.
Redding is not a lattery round pick, don't get your panties in a bunch. If anyone's looking at him, it's not going to be with a lottery pick.
And, there is a chance that we may trade down and do something with our current pick, so drafting JJ may not be an impossible scenario...
If we actually got Reddick at a late round pick from trading down, we need big men that can set screens for him. I mean really good screens, not the ones that Foyle and Murph put up.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy is actually 6'9" too so I don't think it would be much of an issue since Rudy Gay is more athletic and faster than Dunleavy.</div> The Gayleavy lineup. Name fits. Remember Dun could play some PF. A little anyway.
Dun really should be a power forward because for some reason he plays better there. They threw Antoine Walker and Lamar Odom there a few times, but I think Dunleavy needs to get stronger like those two. A little bump sends him flying a bit. Plus, it's the only way he can really use his one-on-one skills since small forwards can stay in front of him.
I agree that Golden State needs an athletic big man in the 6'9 to 6'11 range. I don't think Sheldon Williams is the next Elton Brand. His skills are more like a Corliss Williamson type. Williams tends to go long stretches without asserting himself on the game. I'm posting because I have had the opportunity ad nauseum of seeing J. J. Reddick play since I live in N.C. and went to Wake Forest. Here's the bad news: he is a whole lot better than most people want to believe. Not only is he one of the best offensive players in the world, yes, the world (he's not Kobe, but he has Kobe's range) but he can hold onto the ball and make his own opportunites to score as well as shoot lights out coming off a screen. Chris Paul said that Skip Prosser told them not to worry about Reddick because he was going to score and to focus on stopping the rest of the team. It worked and Wake beat Duke Paul's Sophomore, and (sigh) last year, with the Deacs. The perception that Reddick is just a great shooter and not fast or athletic enough for the NBA is a mistake. He'll be on the all-Rookie Team, will start as SG (he's taller than you'd expect) and will be a strong candidate for ROY. Just ask Chris Paul and any coach in the ACC. Any GM who needs a shooting guard, more offense, a good team player, a confident jerk to opposing teams, who passes on Reddick will start hearing about it by December.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TDoug:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that Golden State needs an athletic big man in the 6'9 to 6'11 range. I don't think Sheldon Williams is the next Elton Brand. His skills are more like a Corliss Williamson type. Williams tends to go long stretches without asserting himself on the game. I'm posting because I have had the opportunity ad nauseum of seeing J. J. Reddick play since I live in N.C. and went to Wake Forest. Here's the bad news: he is a whole lot better than most people want to believe. Not only is he one of the best offensive players in the world, yes, the world (he's not Kobe, but he has Kobe's range) but he can hold onto the ball and make his own opportunites to score as well as shoot lights out coming off a screen. Chris Paul said that Skip Prosser told them not to worry about Reddick because he was going to score and to focus on stopping the rest of the team. It worked and Wake beat Duke Paul's Sophomore, and (sigh) last year, with the Deacs. The perception that Reddick is just a great shooter and not fast or athletic enough for the NBA is a mistake. He'll be on the all-Rookie Team, will start as SG (he's taller than you'd expect) and will be a strong candidate for ROY. Just ask Chris Paul and any coach in the ACC. Any GM who needs a shooting guard, more offense, a good team player, a confident jerk to opposing teams, who passes on Reddick will start hearing about it by December.</div> Sure he can be a great SG, but the fact is we have a 23ppg SG who will be an all-star some day and our glaring weaknesses are SF and C. I'd rather pass on Reddick and get someone else. Unless some other team wants Reddick in which we can package him in a trade to get a SF/C.
Now, if JRich could play the 3, then we could consider a sharpshooting 2 like JJR. But this team has such an awkward collection of talent at in the frontcourt: is Dunleavy a 3, he's big enough for the 4, no wait, he's a point guard - Murphy, he's a forward, why is he camping around the 3pt line all the time - Foyle, oh gawd, they play his candy-ass at center because he'd get eaten alive by Power forwards in the league, so he's a center, but wait, he's barely flirting with 6'9", crap Dunleavy's taller than Foyle, why not play Dunleavy at center? Well, because he's softer than any of our guards, okay, so he'll play 3, but that means JRich has to be a ball-handler at the 2, and wait, that's all wrong, he can't dribble, crap he was a forward in college, this is so convoluted.
Just say "no" to tweeners, oop. Prototypical players only (regardless of size)! Just check out D-wade and his guard skills or Brand and his big man skills. As long as these guys are aggressive, strong, coordinated and smart I could care less if they are short players. Jrich is only 6'4 for instance.
JJ at best will be Steve Kerr. Right now he doesn't handle well enough to be that guy... I smell a bust.
Reddick is a guy able to bring a perfect form perimeter J a dozen times a game. Trouble is,he's real borderline in everything else. That means Reddick must get 15-20 pts or his weaknesses are just too much. If Sheldon Williams was 1 inch taller,his productivity,versatility,his well honed skills would probably make him the top pick. Boozer,Brand....Sheldon's in that zone. Ike made PF less a need spot,and Houston at #8 is likely to grab Sheldon anyhow. We do NOT need a guy who is useless for 2 years then eventually a marginal sub. Sheldon WILL be an assett but he,or Troy would need to play some C for us to get the full gain. o' Bryant has indications he CAN be a nice C. We passed up KG,Amare,being unsure..so do we take a shot? #9 has value. teams have multiple picks in the 20's. The VALUE in this draft is between 25-45,relative to the top 20 which tends to roll the dice on possibilities that underachievers will "get it". Trading down ALSO might jettison a bummer contract.....FOYLEFISHDUN. Suppose Sene,Fazekas,Craig Smith,Morris Almond,Mike Gansey,are equal or better than many of the expected top 15? Unlikely? Don't be too sure. Almond scored more than Carney,and a better %,better consistancy. Gansey had a higher 3 pt % than Reddick,is also better on D. Craig SMith dominated the ACC tournament and is a 10 rbd tough guy who gets a lot of assists is a smart team player. Eric Hicks was a 6-6 CENTER...against prospect rich U Conn...7 shotblocks. Against Marquette..a triple double with 10 blocks. Hicks had SEVERAL games of 10+ OFFENSIVE boards. Make him into a SF who's a defensive enforcer..a Ben wallace. Forget Dun's wimpy game. Nick Fazekas is 6-11,was a 20-10 guy can play in the paint,can pop a 3. Seems useful. Bobby Dixon is a 5-10 PG for Troy State who scored 19 per,was top 10 in both assists and steals...might go undrafted..might be as good as some rd 1 guys. Daniel Horton,Michigan is a good PG who was #1 in the NCAA in FT %..hit about 93%. Justin Williams,like Theo Ratliff,is a wiry 6-10,played for U Wyo.,was big numbers in shotblocks and boards. When I saw him,my sense is his offense is mainly putbacks but he's got hops and fast hands. A guy top 5 in boards and blocks can be a steal in rd 2. Theo makes $13 mill a year..Justin is CHEAP Cal's Leon Powe may not have quite the explosion of Tyrus Thomas but his game is similar...and he's cheaper by 20-30 draft slots. Skills vs tools is always a debate on draft day. Tools can be the get rich quick scheme,skills the steady payday,money in the bank. Gamble on tools only and you better check for work habits and charechter.
I avoid speculating on imports I don't get to see. The W's MAY fly over see Splitter/Bargnanni or ? and spot something special. I won't advocate guys when i get minimal info,and no eyeball input.
