<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron > God</div> This better be sarcastic
No seriously think about it.....I mean God can turn water into wine, but he's never achieved a triple double in his first playoff game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No seriously think about it.....I mean God can turn water into wine, but he's never achieved a triple double in his first playoff game.</div>i thought you were muslim??
How come no one brings up magic as the greatest ever. he has better stats (triple double wise) than lebron since his rookie year. and also one a championship his rookie year, lebron didnt. so if magic is better than lebron, and mj is better than magic, how is lebron better than MJ?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIRTIGHT:</div><div class="quote_post">How is Kobe better than either of em?</div> That isnt what this thread is about. and ok, kobe is a much better shooter than lebron. his defense is light years ahead of lebrons. lebron is a better passer and is bigger, congrats. kobe smokes him in everything else. Why all the hate towards kobe. did he not give you an autograph or something, what is the deal?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How is Kobe better than either of em?</div>wrong thread homie.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">How come no one brings up magic as the greatest ever. he has better stats (triple double wise) than lebron since his rookie year. and also one a championship his rookie year, lebron didnt. so if magic is better than lebron, and mj is better than magic, how is lebron better than MJ?</div> Who is saying LeBron is the greatest ever? Where are you getting this stuff? People are saying LeBron might be the greatest ever at his age. If you want to compare Magic and LeBron statistically at 21, I'd definitely give LeBron the edge. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">That isnt what this thread is about. and ok, kobe is a much better shooter than lebron. his defense is light years ahead of lebrons. lebron is a better passer and is bigger, congrats. kobe smokes him in everything else. Why all the hate towards kobe. did he not give you an autograph or something, what is the deal?</div> LeBron's a better passer, a better rebounder, and he's a better driver. Clearly AIRTIGHT has some extreme animosity towards Kobe (or maybe its Kobe fans), but you seem to hold a grudge towards LeBron as well.
na, hell na I dont have animosity against Kobe--- but with the Kobe fans not just on this thread, but out here in the real world as well Kobe seems to always have the edge ( in their own minds)>> regardless of what the stats or facts say, regardless of wins or actual accounts of real life situations. Some of the people supporting Kobe seem to feel that their opinion always beats out fact; regardless of how indisputable the fact or how questionable the opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Who is saying LeBron is the greatest ever? Where are you getting this stuff? People are saying LeBron might be the greatest ever at his age. If you want to compare Magic and LeBron statistically at 21, I'd definitely give LeBron the edge. </div> People arent saying he is the greatest 21 year old ever. people are saying that he should have been mvp this year. And lebron fans act like he is better than anyone now and ever will be. It bugs me, he is a descent shooter and poor defender. Plus the cat is 6'8" 240 and lightning quick, what do you expect? he should be grabbing boards and driving through the lane like nobodys buisness.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">people are saying that he should have been mvp this year fans act like he is better than anyone now and ever will be. It bugs me,</div> hmm.. sounds eerily similar to another situation I myself remebered being in once......
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIRTIGHT:</div><div class="quote_post">hmm.. sounds eerily similar to another situation I myself remebered being in once......</div> except kobe is an established star with 3 rings, what has lebron done. also nothing separates kobe's body frame from any other 6'6" sg that is too skinny as a rookie.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">People arent saying he is the greatest 21 year old ever. people are saying that he should have been mvp this year.</div> There's nothing wrong with that. Ample reason to think he deserved it more than, say, Steve Nash. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And lebron fans act like he is better than anyone now and ever will be.</div> Saying he's the best player in the game is one thing. I mean, that's not exactly a far-out opinion. He ranks near or at the top of league by many different criteria. John Hollinger, a reputable NBA analyst with ESPN, has said he thinks LeBron is the best in the game. But no one is saying that LeBron, right now, is better than anyone ever will be. It's possible that he may eventually be the greatest player ever in the game, just considering how young he is, how good he is already, and how much scope for improvement there is. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It bugs me, he is a descent shooter and poor defender. Plus the cat is 6'8" 240 and lightning quick, what do you expect? he should be grabbing boards and driving through the lane like nobodys buisness.</div> I hate that kind of argument. Kevin Garnett is quicker and more agile than almost any other 7 footer to have ever played the game and he has a ridiculous wingspan -- are you going to hold THAT against him? Gimme a break. You don't give a player extra credit for his physical deficiencies, just as you shouldn't penalize a player for having physical gifts. Evaluate a player by his effectiveness on the court -- that's it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post"> I hate that kind of argument. Kevin Garnett is quicker and more agile than almost any other 7 footer to have ever played the game and he has a ridiculous wingspan -- are you going to hold THAT against him? Gimme a break. You don't give a player extra credit for his physical deficiencies, just as you shouldn't penalize a player for having physical gifts. Evaluate a player by his effectiveness on the court -- that's it.</div> What did KG do with it? he was and is amazing. posting (i believe) the most 20 10 5 seasons in a row, and also playing pg, sg, sf, pf, and center isnt too shabby. And you are telling me that mugsy bogues and earl boykins dont have to try like tens times as hard and be that much better at every part of their game. so much of lebrons game is natural. jordan, kobe, charles barkley, karl malone, and dennis rodman all became great despite having no real advantage physically. so it is a viable argument. Why does shaq dominate so much. sure he has great footwork and whatnot, but not that much better at other things as some just descent centers. and i am not penalizing lebron, i am just saying that it is easier for him to rebound and drive to the hoop than it is for an AI or gilbert arenas.
You been waiting to longest just to say that huh. You know throughout a large part of this thread, we were debating Kobe vs Lebron-- it wasn't just me. Just because I'm the one - along with durvasa who won the debate doesnt mean I'm a Kobe hater. Really all it means is I can see and read and do basic math-- as the information is all there, I didnt do anything. Real talk tho-- yall are the one's who must be the Kobe haters. I mean think about it. You bring up these ridiculous claims you adhere to religiously--- yet fail to mention ANY kind of substantial evidence or fact to verify your opinions. Then after you guys are beyond the point of no return, you simply abandon the argument. Which makes it look even worse than it has to. >> Yall alread lost the debate based on the topics we chose to argue about in the specific debate,.... and then on top of that you throw away credibility not willing to stay around and acknowledge when you're wrong. Which not only looks bad on yall but looks bad on Kobe fans as a whole-- as you hear the same type of stuff wherever you go/ and ultimately some of that rubs off on our image of Kobe himself. Hey, catch me being wrong--- i'll glady admit it..... althought I havent had much practice to be honest.
And how did you win? you guys used stats, others thought about it, and considered other sides to this issue unlike you. WOW you are cocky, you think you win every debate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">What did KG do with it? he was and is amazing. posting (i believe) the most 20 10 5 seasons in a row, and also playing pg, sg, sf, pf, and center isnt too shabby.</div> You're discrediting LeBron because of his physical gifts. LeBron's ability to penetrate and rebound don't mean as much because of his athleticism, according to you. Well, I can just as easily say the same thing about KG. Or any great NBA player. But I won't, because it doesn't make any sense. How is a rebound any less valuable if it comes from a player who's 240 pounds versus 200 pounds? Either way, a rebound is a rebound. Two points is two points. How the player gets it, or what the player looks like, or how much the player weighs makes no difference. This is a fairly simple concept. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And you are telling me that mugsy bogues and earl boykins dont have to try like tens times as hard and be that much better at every part of their game.</div> They have to try harder, of course. But ... what do you mean "be that much better"? If they were "better", then they'd be getting more rebounds, doing more to help their team win. The fact is, they have to try "ten times as hard" just to be as good as a player like LeBron. They have make up for their physical limitations just to keep up. Working harder doesn't make them better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">so much of lebrons game is natural. jordan, kobe, charles barkley, karl malone, and dennis rodman all became great despite having no real advantage physically.</div> First of all, you're crazy if you don't think players like Jordan and Kobe have an advantage, physically. Secondly, it doesn't matter, for reasons that should now be clear. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">so it is a viable argument. Why does shaq dominate so much. sure he has great footwork and whatnot, but not that much better at other things as some just descent centers. and i am not penalizing lebron, i am just saying that it is easier for him to rebound and drive to the hoop than it is for an AI or gilbert arenas.</div> You are penalizing LeBron, and you're rewarding players like AI. It's quite obvious. Don't even deny it.
