<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">i said some pf's and sf's. my sf example was wally, u listed the 5 most athletic besides jamison, who is prolly the same speed as wilt. gasol and dirk arent that fast, and ost of those guys are pf's, which i didnt say the fastest pf's. he would beat just about every cnter down the floor. and overpower the ones that are faster than him.</div> This is exactly what you said <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">todays centers are much slower and have less endurance so when wilt played he wasnt all THAT fast. today he would beat many pf's and some sf's (wally) up the court</div> First off, todays centers are faster, more agile, and quicker than they EVER were. In case you haven't noticed, we have 7footers dribbling up the court, crossing over & shooting 3's now. There is no way on god's green little earth that Wilt would be beating many centers down court in today's era. Let alone PF's Why exaggerate Wilt's attributes? He was one of the greatest centers ever, a dominate player in his era and at his position. Fortunatley he was the only giant of his time, making it a little less competitive for him. He should be considered great, but NOT the greatest.
i said endurance. many of todays centers cant run the floor at all. wilt could very well. when wilt played, the game was like the phoenix suns all day. why is it that phoenix has no true centers on their team? because that it is rare to have a center that can run the floor. and wilt would beat many pf's down the court. besides the top athletes.
^^^^^That's totally FALSE. I can name 5 different centers who play like SF's. I think you've got the WNBA mixed with the NBA.
Name em. and they have to actually play and play center. no boris diaw. dont just come here and say your wrong, i can know stuff that says your wrong. please tell me 5 CENTERS that play like LBJ, RJ, VC, AK47, Melo, Artest Paul Pierce, heck name 5 centers that play like wally, peja, ricky davis, luol deng. i am sure i forgot some, but lets hear it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">Name em. and they have to actually play and play center. no boris diaw. dont just come here and say your wrong, i can know stuff that says your wrong. please tell me 5 CENTERS that play like LBJ, RJ, VC, AK47, Melo, Artest Paul Pierce, heck name 5 centers that play like wally, peja, ricky davis, luol deng. i am sure i forgot some, but lets hear it.</div> Dirk Bosh Darko Gasol KG Radmonavich Lafrenz Rasheed The only player under 7feet on there is Rasheed, and he's 6'11. Everyone of those players has played SF before in their respective career. Each one of them can handle the rock somewhat, run the court & step out and shoot the 3. Each one them interchange between Center & PF. Dirk, Bosh, Gasol, & Sheed each can easily give you 40 mins a game too. Ur theory that the bigmen today are slower is simply FOOLISH. Makes me question how many NBA games you've actually watched
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk Bosh Darko Gasol KG Radmonavich Lafrenz Rasheed The only player under 7feet on there is Rasheed, and he's 6'11. Everyone of those players has played SF before in their respective career. Each one of them can handle the rock somewhat, run the court & step out and shoot the 3. Each one them interchange between Center & PF. Dirk, Bosh, Gasol, & Sheed each can easily give you 40 mins a game too. Ur theory that the bigmen today are slower is simply FOOLISH. Makes me question how many NBA games you've actually watched</div> What, how many games have i watched. can you read. i clarified myself by saying that todays centers have much worse endurance, the pace of todays game is much slower. bosh, not really a center, and can not play sf darko isnt even good, nor has he even played until the end of the year. the jury is still out on him Laefrenz is no where near the speeed of wilt Kg also int a center, can play it, but not really. he came into the league as a sf Sheed isnt to fast either. Gasol i might give you, but he isnt anywhere near a sf's athleticism like you said. lol, radmonovich at center. he is a slow sf, not to mention he isnt a center at all. did you have some trouble with your list. not one of those guys are true centers, or even play a majority of center besides gasol and bosh (but that is just because toronto had no size last year. How many games from the 60's/70's have you ever watched. any, because i really doubt it the way you think shaq is better than wilt or more dominant. and i watch every minny i can, and just bout any nba game tha i can watch. plus like i said, he would overpower any one that could beat him down the floor.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">What, how many games have i watched. can you read. i clarified myself by saying that todays centers have much worse endurance, the pace of todays game is much slower. bosh, not really a center, and can not play sf darko isnt even good, nor has he even played until the end of the year. the jury is still out on him Laefrenz is no where near the speeed of wilt Kg also int a center, can play it, but not really. he came into the league as a sf Sheed isnt to fast either. Gasol i might give you, but he isnt anywhere near a sf's athleticism like you said. lol, radmonovich at center. he is a slow sf, not to mention he isnt a center at all. did you have some trouble with your list. not one of those guys are true centers, or even play a majority of center besides gasol and bosh (but that is just because toronto had no size last year. How many games from the 60's/70's have you ever watched. any, because i really doubt it the way you think shaq is better than wilt or more dominant. and i watch every minny i can, and just bout any nba game tha i can watch. plus like i said, he would overpower any one that could beat him down the floor.</div> lol.....ok, ur going to stick by the fact that Wilt is faster than many SF's today. I guess ur not gonna budge. Even when it's completley obvious that the players today are much more athletic, faster, and stronger than 40 yrs ago. Anybody can see the difference in the bodies of the players from 1960's to 2006's. It ain't hard to notice. Wilt was the best athlete back then, the league was still kinda segregated and blacks didn't even dominate the league. Wilt should've dominated.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">lol.....ok, ur going to stick by the fact that Wilt is faster than many SF's today. I guess ur not gonna budge. Even when it's completley obvious that the players today are much more athletic, faster, and stronger than 40 yrs ago. Anybody can see the difference in the bodies of the players from 1960's to 2006's. It ain't hard to notice. Wilt was the best athlete back then, the league was still kinda segregated and blacks didn't even dominate the league. Wilt should've dominated.</div> lol, are you going to read any of my post. i said he would beat some sf's like wally. you have nothing wrong with my previous post, i was dead on? what happened to the 5 centers thing. you said that you could do it, so please do it. Wilt should have dominated and did. Yao sould dominate and doesnt (no hate on yao, this goes for every giant in any sport). and have you ever seen a full game from the 60's or 70's or even a highlight tape of wilt?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">lol, are you going to read any of my post. i said he would beat some sf's like wally. you have nothing wrong with my previous post, i was dead on? what happened to the 5 centers thing. you said that you could do it, so please do it.</div> I named 8 in my previous posts, so calmly scroll up. There are centers bringing the ball up, running the break, and finishing like point guards. I've seen Yao Ming throw it behind his back, go around his defender and finish on the fast break. Centers now have more endurance, energy, & strength than any of the centers back then. The game ain't like it was 40yrs ago homie, give it up. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Thefreshprince:</div><div class="quote_post">Wilt should have dominated and did. Yao sould dominate and doesnt (no hate on yao, this goes for every giant in any sport). and have you ever seen a full game from the 60's or 70's or even a highlight tape of wilt?</div> Yes, it's called NBATV. Shaq came in the league playing against Hakeem. Wilt came in against George Mikan lol. C'mon dog, that ain't much of argument.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I named 8 in my previous posts, so calmly scroll up. There are centers bringing the ball up, running the break, and finishing like point guards. I've seen Yao Ming throw it behind his back, go around his defender and finish on the fast break. Centers now have more endurance, energy, & strength than any of the centers back then. The game ain't like it was 40yrs ago homie, give it up. Yes, it's called NBATV. Shaq came in the league playing against Hakeem. Wilt came in against George Mikan lol. C'mon dog, that ain't much of argument.</div> im done dude, until you actually read what i post and give a simple fact or stat, i cant keep going back and forth with you. btw, out of those eight, one is an iffy if he is even a center. you are all talk. you finally say that you have some facts, then you give me 8 pf's which i stated that wilt would beat plenty, not the most athletic. now please, go back and read what i posted, or stop responding without any logic or facts whatsoever. and dont go hating on mikan, and they never played against each other ever. mikan was elected to the hall of fame wilts rookie year. http://www.nba.com/history/players/mikan_summary.html these are stats and facts. dont hate on the guy without knowing anything about him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yao sould dominate and doesnt (no hate on yao, this goes for every giant in any sport).</div> You think an 8-footer should dominate in a foot race? How about the high-jump? I don't think we'll see a 7-foot running back anytime soon. There's a lot more to basketball (and athletic activities, in general) than just being big or strong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">You think an 8-footer should dominate in a foot race? How about the high-jump? I don't think we'll see a 7-foot running back anytime soon. There's a lot more to basketball (and athletic activities, in general) than just being big or strong.</div> i said not to hate. i mean yao is very athletically gifted, and could (i should've said could, my bad) dominate. and rock said that wilt should have dominated, my point was that being physically gifted isnt anything at all. you need skills too and desire. lol on the running back, he would get his legs broken within two carries.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">im done dude, until you actually read what i post and give a simple fact or stat, i cant keep going back and forth with you. btw, out of those eight, one is an iffy if he is even a center. you are all talk. you finally say that you have some facts, then you give me 8 pf's which i stated that wilt would beat plenty, not the most athletic. now please, go back and read what i posted, or stop responding without any logic or facts whatsoever. and dont go hating on mikan, and they never played against each other ever. mikan was elected to the hall of fame wilts rookie year. http://www.nba.com/history/players/mikan_summary.html these are stats and facts. dont hate on the guy without knowing anything about him.</div> I'll post them again DIRK DARKO BOSH KG GASOL SHEED RADMONAVICH You said name 5 centers who can play SF. Each one of these players have played ample time at center. Each have started at center, and all are 7footers excluding Sheed. I've read each one of ur post, and all you've done is thrown out weak rebuttals everytime I backed you in a corner. Bottom line, YOUR WRONG. Centers today are better than they were back then. Shaq is better than Wilt, and Wilt isn't NEARLY as fast as you FANTASIZE him out to be. You lose P.S. No Mikan hate, but he wouldn't last today either. Just fact, nothin personal
did you happen to read why none of those guys count. they arent CENTERS. i said some pf's wilt would beat down the court, not the elite. these guys arent centers, they are an elite class of pf's besides rad and dirk who would get killed by wilt. please give me 5 CENTERS and since todays centers are so much better, and those guys above are centers. do you really think that any of them could even contain wilt. kg is by far the best defender on that list and wilt would own him. you again posted no facts or stats, your arguments are rediculous. you say, "you are wrong get over it." i say,"you are wrong because of this and this." then you go to another wrong argument, ignore, me, and say i lost? quit being a baby and forget all this other stuff. how is shaq better than wilt. wilt played against the other two (consensus) best centers ever in russell and KAJ. shaq played against old european dudes, and fading superstars. HOW IS SHAQ BETTER?
Wilt is better hands down For all you dudes who keep saying wilt stats were so good because he played against shorter players. Please answer me why has shaq never lead the league in rebounding not even once eVen though he outweighs the average center of his era by 50-100 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shaq did not have near the vertical wilt had and wilt outran jim brown the football player in a footrace. wilt was a star track runner at the college level how in the world could he not keep up with the pace of the nba today when he was outrunning nfl football players in footraces? have you ever seem shaq take one step and dunk foul shots. wilt used to dunk foul shots until they banned it.do you realize that hand checking and body checking were legal in wilts day. the refs allowed a much more physical game than is allowed in todays game. wilts first game in the nba he had 2 teeth knocked out and ribs broke. some of youll need to really get the facts straight.wilt played every minute of every game of a season for a whole year and never fouled out of a game and then on top of being the moost dominate scorer of his era turned around and led the league in assists. On the day of wilts death Larry Brown the former coach of the pistons and knicks said in the newspaper when asked about wilt that he witnessed wilt at 45 years of age get mad at magic johnson when magic was 20 and had just lead the lakers to the nba title anger wilt in a summer league game by calling cheap fouls and wilt blocked every shot 20 year old magic put up for the entire second half and Wilt was 45 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wilts achievements stand out in the record books like GRANTS TOMB!!!!!!!!!
Man I hate these then against now arguements.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">DIRK DARKO BOSH KG GASOL SHEED RADMONAVICH</div> Those aren't centers....and they would be out of place at the SF position. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">shaq played against old european dudes, and fading superstars.</div> How can you know about the old players but not the new? I can name atleast 5 off the top of my head that are far from old european dudes....
