<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheGreatK-Bob:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry, but Troy Hudson cannot be compared to Jameer Nelson. The only time he ever put up even comparable numbers was aftyer he had already been in the league like 5 years. This was Nelson's second year. Nelson also is a more consistant player than Hudson and has a different feel for the game. Jameer would probably be a great 6th man, but he's better than half the PG's in the league so why would that make sense? Call me crazy but if Jameer sits the bench, maybe Chris Paul should too, I think Nelson is a lot more like Paul than Hudson. I'd actually prefer Jameer!</div> Ok i can tell now that you are just a huge homer. You have Jameer is the future on the bottom of your WHatever, i dont know what its called. And why cant i compare t-hud to jameer? It was his 5th year, but his first oppurtunity that compared to Jameers. T-hud is just as good if not better than jameer when healthy. Both can penetrate very well, T-hud is a better shooter. Dont even try to argue the shooting thing if you havent seen t-hud light it up when healthy. ANd both are adequate at D. Jameer over CP3! are you nuts, i think that just about every magic fan would prefer CP3 to Jameer. CP3 dominated this year as a rookie. Many wanted himon the all-star team. Jameer didnt even make the soph team did he. If he did it was barely. CP3 had like what two triple doubles. How many does jameer have. CP3 led a horrible team to on the brink of the playoffs, Jameer led a waaaaaaaaaay more talented team to a worst record. How in the world would u take jameer over CP3.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok i can tell now that you are just a huge homer. You have Jameer is the future on the bottom of your WHatever, i dont know what its called. And why cant i compare t-hud to jameer? It was his 5th year, but his first oppurtunity that compared to Jameers. T-hud is just as good if not better than jameer when healthy. Both can penetrate very well, T-hud is a better shooter. Dont even try to argue the shooting thing if you havent seen t-hud light it up when healthy. ANd both are adequate at D. Jameer over CP3! are you nuts, i think that just about every magic fan would prefer CP3 to Jameer. CP3 dominated this year as a rookie. Many wanted himon the all-star team. Jameer didnt even make the soph team did he. If he did it was barely. CP3 had like what two triple doubles. How many does jameer have. CP3 led a horrible team to on the brink of the playoffs, Jameer led a waaaaaaaaaay more talented team to a worst record. How in the world would u take jameer over CP3.</div> Dude I hate to say it, but you are wrong on pretty much everything. First of all, we had Steve Francis on our roster past the all-star break and Jameer was injured for a good month and a half right before the all-star break. He did make the sophmore team even though he was a backup for the majority of the season, but he was injured during the all-star break, which is why he wasn't able to play. How's he supposed to lead a team by starting on the bench? I've seen Troy Hudson play plenty and Jameer is better than Hudson. Hudson might have better games every once and awhile since he is extremely streaky, but Jameer is already more consistent then Hudson ever was. You can't compare shooting dude, Jameer is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better shooter than Thud. I don't think you have seen Jameer play often honestly. Remember Troy Hudson was a Magic player, so I've seen my fair share of both of them and honestly I don't think it's really any contest between them, because Jameer is younger and better. The whole Chris Paul thing was just his homerism. Jameer isn't in Paul's league. Also about leading the team, Jameer started the last 25 or so games and I don't know if you realize it, but the Magic went 16-9 once Jameer got back to playing, that counts the first 3 games when he wasn't himself and we lost all 3 of those games. So basically he helped lead us to winning 16 of the last 22 games, including 8 out of the last 10. You might ask who we beat in that span, well we beat Cleveland by 29, Dallas by 9, @ Chicago by 4, Detroit by 2, Heat by 9 @ Miami, and @ San Antonio by 12. So we won some quality games in pretty good fashion. The Magic were one of the hottest teams heading into the playoffs and most analysts said that the Magic deserved the spot more than the other 7-8 contenders. Don't forget we were a 36-46 team overall. So basically at one point in the season we were 20-40 and Jameer helped us get at least respectable. Oh and the bottom is called a signature.
^^ I didn't really think that t hud was better, i was just trying to prove that a player like t hud can average those statistics as the same kind of player. (T hud was the best i could come up with) T hud is a good bench player but not a quality starter. That is what i was trying to prove. (And when t hud is on, nobody can touch him at pg) just thought i'd throw that in And the CP3 thing really got me mad because he had one of the most amazing rookie years ever. How many rookies take a bad team that far all by themselves. I know the magic made a huge run beating a lot of great teams, but i just see jameer as a very good backup, or a pg to go alongside an amazing sg. Not a leader like cassell (spelling?), or a kidd, nash, etc... And like i said, Jameer was my favorite college player that year, here in minny we never get magic games, so i have only seen him play in the pros a few times, but i do know his style of play quite well
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ I didn't really think that t hud was better, i was just trying to prove that a player like t hud can average those statistics as the same kind of player. (T hud was the best i could come up with) T hud is a good bench player but not a quality starter. That is what i was trying to prove. (And when t hud is on, nobody can touch him at pg) just thought i'd throw that in And the CP3 thing really got me mad because he had one of the most amazing rookie years ever. How many rookies take a bad team that far all by themselves. I know the magic made a huge run beating a lot of great teams, but i just see jameer as a very good backup, or a pg to go alongside an amazing sg. Not a leader like cassell (spelling?), or a kidd, nash, etc...</div> Trust me dude, I was on the same train of thought until the last 22 games of the season. I actually posted that we should start Arroyo over Jameer in the middle of the season. I was one of the few people who didn't want Jameer starting alongside Francis, because I thought Jameer was better suited off of the bench. I also brought up when we were trying to trade Francis, why don't we trade Jameer instead, since we could get more for him. Jameer really proved something to me at the end, he's not really a vocal leader, he leads by example and is an extremely hard worker(because he has to because of his size). I definetely respect what he does and you seriously have to watch him play when he has one of his big games, he is completely unstoppable. He's so fearless, even if you are Ben Wallace or Shaq or someone like that he will still take it right at you and he will still normally finish. For being as small as he is, shooting 48% is incredible.
Okay, I'll admit the CP3 comparison to Jameer is unfair. But Paul is certainly not out of Nelson's league. They're actually similar players, I think Jameer is stronger going to the hoop (literally because he's a stronger man) while Paul can be more explosive. Allowing them both to start next year I think they'll put up somewhat similar numbers. But I think GatorsowntheNCAA, being a neutral party has settled any dispute, and I think his decision is fair and totally unbiased, unlike anything I could come up with. Either way, the thread is about Wade, and I think Wade to Orlando would be pretty sick depending on who get's drafted this year. Hopefully not like Tiago Splitter.
Ok well I'm gonna flip this discussion back on to the original topic....Dwayne Wade. lol I think Wade would be a perfect fit on our roster, leading us to victory after victory. But i find this unlikely, ESPECIALLY now that the Heat are in the NBA Finals.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Remedy:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok well I'm gonna flip this discussion back on to the original topic....Dwayne Wade. lol I think Wade would be a perfect fit on our roster, leading us to victory after victory. But i find this unlikely, ESPECIALLY now that the Heat are in the NBA Finals.</div> Yeah, this is like a 2% chance at best of happening, but I don't think that him making the Finals this year will have any impact on his decision, because he realizes that he wouldn't have gotten there without Shaq and Shaq's got 1-2 years, 3 years Max left in him. The Magic have a great young nucleus and he would come right in and be the #1 option.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Remedy:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok well I'm gonna flip this discussion back on to the original topic....Dwayne Wade. lol I think Wade would be a perfect fit on our roster, leading us to victory after victory. But i find this unlikely, ESPECIALLY now that the Heat are in the NBA Finals.</div> Yeah, this is like a 2% chance at best of happening, but I don't think that him making the Finals this year will have any impact on his decision, because he realizes that he wouldn't have gotten there without Shaq and Shaq's got 1-2 years, 3 years Max left in him. The Magic have a great young nucleus and he would come right in and be the #1 option. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll have to take your word for it until i see him more. And tony parker shot like 55% no biggy</div> So since 1 person shot 55% that automatically makes Jameer's stats not good?
Dwyane Wade coming to Orlando would make us an instant championship contender, but it is pretty unlikely. (I noticed that's been established already in the thread) I think we would be more likely to sign a couple role players, Gerald Wallace I think is a FA and that is one player that would be great but is also unlikely. If we're going to sign a star then I think Paul Pierce would be the guy for us. I can't wait for that offseason to see what happens though.
Gerald Wallace is one of the best shot blocking small forwards in the game. He averaged 2.09 blocks per game last season and having Wallace, Howard and Milicic all on the floor together would be an amazing defensive trio.
I guess we could move Hedo to SG and start Wallace at SF. Honestly my order is Wade, Pierce, Josh Howard as targets for us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess we could move Hedo to SG and start Wallace at SF. Honestly my order is Wade, Pierce, Josh Howard as targets for us.</div> Why would you put a 6'10 player at SG. Turk is a great Player, but why not just make him SF, and G-Force at SG, that seems more logical imo.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Remedy:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would you put a 6'10 player at SG. Turk is a great Player, but why not just make him SF, and G-Force at SG, that seems more logical imo.</div> I thought Gerald Wallace was pretty tall too and was a natural SF. So yeah, he could be a good SG then. I would love either him or Josh Howard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting On_The_Rim29:</div><div class="quote_post">Miami would be very stupid to let Wade even hit his contract year...</div> Exactly, I dont know what the magic fans are smoking. If Wade will ever leave Miami, I think it would be for Chicago, his hometown.
Wades the face of Miami kinda like Dwight is here theres now way he is on a different team, Pat wouldnt trade him for Shaq, the biggest guy in the league that most likely garentees you a place in the finals. More realistic is Josh Howard, Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, and maybe Bosh if hes not happy and even Paul Pierce.
Bosh is already locked up. Miami has 2 more years MAX with Shaq and then they will be rebuilding without Shaq, Zo, Payton, etc. So if Wade wants to be part of a rebuilding team then he would stay. I'm just saying if he is as good friends with Shaq as he says, he might follow Shaq to Orlando(since Shaq has said countless times that he wants to be part owner of Orlando). Will Chicago have capspace after next year? They have so many young guys that are nearing their 2nd contracts now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh is already locked up. Miami has 2 more years MAX with Shaq and then they will be rebuilding without Shaq, Zo, Payton, etc. So if Wade wants to be part of a rebuilding team then he would stay. I'm just saying if he is as good friends with Shaq as he says, he might follow Shaq to Orlando(since Shaq has said countless times that he wants to be part owner of Orlando). Will Chicago have capspace after next year? They have so many young guys that are nearing their 2nd contracts now.</div> Well according to Shaq, he wants to play out his deal and this was stated again last night when asked if the Heat win, would he consider retirement. He said not really, that he just signed an extension and he wanted to keep on playing. Miami will still have Williams/Walker/Posey and Dorrell Wright showed us a lot during the last few games of the year averaging over 15 over that stretch of time. Also, Haslem is here for 4 more years and Wayne Simien is going to be a great player from what he's shown this year. I think this team was built for life without Shaq as well.
