Trajon Langdon was a better shooter than Reddick and where did that get him? (Europe) and Langdon wasn't undersized. I mean Reddick isn't even the best 3pt shooter % wise in this draft. If we want a undersized 3pt shooter all we have to do is put in Travis Deiner he is just as good of a shooter as Reddick (if not better)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheHighness:</div><div class="quote_post">Trajon Langdon was a better shooter than Reddick and where did that get him? (Europe) and Langdon wasn't undersized. I mean Reddick isn't even the best 3pt shooter % wise in this draft. If we want a undersized 3pt shooter all we have to do is put in Travis Deiner he is just as good of a shooter as Reddick (if not better)</div> Trajan Langdon was nowhere near J.J. Redick's level as far as shooting mechanics goes. Redick's form is picture-perfect and it's always consistently the same, no matter how far out he's shooting from or how fatigued he is. He's not the best three point shooter percentage wise in the draft just because other players didn't take as many as him and didn't face the same pressure as he did. If you want to bring up %'s, how about the fact that Redick's one of the NCAA's all-time FT% leaders. That's a shot that can't be effected by defensive pressure and is a fairly accurate measure for how good of a shooter a player is. BTW - It's Redick, not Reddick (only one 'd').
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Trajon Langdon was a better shooter than Reddick and where did that get him? (Europe) and Langdon wasn't undersized. I mean Reddick isn't even the best 3pt shooter % wise in this draft. If we want a undersized 3pt shooter all we have to do is put in Travis Deiner he is just as good of a shooter as Reddick (if not better)</div> ^^ that is just not true. What are u basing that on? Maybe percentage wise langdon was better, but if u watch redick he has perfect footwork, perfect form , and just know how to get open. <font size="1"><font color=""Red"">When you want to refer to a specific post, just use the button at the bottom right hand corner of your screen --- VC</font></font>
he gets open because of they type of offense they run for him, do you really think Orlando would run that same Offense. Brian hill likes to run the Princton style offense were you use the shot clock. I just don't see us making him the focal point of the offense and running all of those screen's for him like they did at Duke.
^^ He still uses pump fakes well and again has perfect footwork. And you can't just put a bigger guy on him, he CAN score and I think will be very able to in any kind of offense he is in
Its not wether Redick can score, teams know he can by his college numbers. Knowing this, teams wont let him open which spreads the floor for slashers and Dwight. If teams do double team Dwight as they were this season then they would have to leave either Nelson, Turk, Redick, or Battie/Darko open which hurts them by leaving them open. Plus it would be nice to actualy have a 3pt shooter on the team.
I just don't think sacrificing defense for offense is a good idea. with Jameer and Reddick in our backcourt teams would be backing us down all day and Dwight would be in more foul trouble than he was last year (help defense)
^^ It's not like they are the only two guards on the court the whole game. Stevenson could play just as much if not more than redick, and you could also get a defensive minded pg to come off the bench. Athony carter is a great defensive pg, but he is only like 5'11'' or 6'0''. Size isnt a huge deal. Two years ago on our teams jv, we started 4 guards, and subbed in more guards. We were very very good at D dispite being tiny. Our center was 6'. Sometimes we even played 5 guards. Size isnt that big of a deal on defense, ability is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ It's not like they are the only two guards on the court the whole game. Stevenson could play just as much if not more than redick, and you could also get a defensive minded pg to come off the bench. Athony carter is a great defensive pg, but he is only like 5'11'' or 6'0''. Size isnt a huge deal. Two years ago on our teams jv, we started 4 guards, and subbed in more guards. We were very very good at D dispite being tiny. Our center was 6'. Sometimes we even played 5 guards. Size isnt that big of a deal on defense, ability is.</div> For the love of everything, don't compare your silly high school ball to the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">For the love of everything, don't compare your silly high school ball to the NBA.</div> Agreed, but he does have a point: size isn't everything. There's a lot more players playing the two-guard who'll be 6-4 or under than you'd think. People are really just dwelling on the negatives too much in Redick's scenario. So let's say you draft Ronnie Brewer. Okay, he's bigger and a better defender, but have you ever seen his jumper? He's got one of the ugliest shots I've ever seen. I'm sure there are kids on TheFreshPrince's JV team who shoot with better form than Brewer. He could really border on an offensive liability at the next level. I keep hearing people make the point that Redick needs a lot of shots to be effective, but that's not really true. Yes, he took a lot of shots, but so does Kobe, LeBron, and all of your other superstars. Does that mean they're not effective if they're not shooting a lot? And if it works, why not let him shoot that much? Besides, it's not like Duke's offense completely revolved around Redick. Some of Redick's worst games were the team's best.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Agreed, but he does have a point: size isn't everything. There's a lot more players playing the two-guard who'll be 6-4 or under than you'd think. People are really just dwelling on the negatives too much in Redick's scenario. So let's say you draft Ronnie Brewer. Okay, he's bigger and a better defender, but have you ever seen his jumper? He's got one of the ugliest shots I've ever seen. I'm sure there are kids on TheFreshPrince's JV team who shoot with better form than Brewer. He could really border on an offensive liability at the next level. I keep hearing people make the point that Redick needs a lot of shots to be effective, but that's not really true. Yes, he took a lot of shots, but so does Kobe, LeBron, and all of your other superstars. Does that mean they're not effective if they're not shooting a lot? And if it works, why not let him shoot that much? Besides, it's not like Duke's offense completely revolved around Redick. Some of Redick's worst games were the team's best.</div> He wouldn't score as much as Redick, but his defense and ball handling/decision making would cancel that out and make it outweigh Redick's offensive advantage, IMO. We don't need someone to come in and take a lot of shots, we are an extremely balanced team. Dwight, Jameer, Hedo and Darko will get the most shots next year to help in their development. I like Ronnie Brewer because he doesn't have to score to be effective, JJ has to score to be effective.
I just brought up the jv thing to prove that a bigger stronger player wont dominate a smaller weaker one with better technique and passion to succeed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">I just brought up the jv thing to prove that a bigger stronger player wont dominate a smaller weaker one with better technique and passion to succeed.</div> How many NBA teams use 4 guard lineups?(I don't know of any team) How many college teams are effective at using a 4 guard lineup?(I count 1, Nova) The JV level and NBA level are different. I think we would all agree that Ben Wallace has very good technique and passion to succeed, but Shaq still dominated him.
That is too extreme. i mean like redick guarding other 2 guards. (besides kobe, tmac, AI etc.... because not many can even come close to guarding him much less any rookies)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">That is too extreme. i mean like redick guarding other 2 guards. (besides kobe, tmac, AI etc.... because not many can even come close to guarding him much less any rookies)</div> Not only do the guards have size on Redick, they have speed on him too. To be honest with you I don't think Redick could even stop Deshawn Stevenson, who definetely isn't one of the elite offensive 2 guards. Stevenson has 1 inch on him, but is stronger and much quicker than JJ.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ i guess we will just have to agree to disagree until he starts playing.</div> Yes we will. I just don't see him being strong or fast enough to guard 2 guards in the NBA. You know he will produce on offense, but to me with a PG such as Jameer Nelson it's not worth giving up that much on defense for offense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nothing much has changed in J.J. Redick's world. He's still scorching the nets while still feeling as if his ears are on fire. Consequently, Redick is doing a familiar slow burn. He no longer hears boos and catcalls from fans that followed him from arena to arena as, according to his mother, Jeanie, "the most hated college basketball player in the country." Redick now hears it from critics who doubt he'll bring much more to the NBA than a dead-eye jump shot. He's called undersized at 6 feet 4, slow and a likely liability on defense. In a retort typical of the kind that fueled fans' ire while he was a Duke star, Redick called such skepticism "stupid." "I don't think a guy would be consensus national player of the year, two-time first-team all-American, [Atlantic Coast Conference] all-time leader scorer -- I can go on -- if he couldn't just flat-out play," he said. "Especially coming from a program like Duke." That's what Redick told reporters recently in Salt Lake City after wowing the Utah Jazz with a signature shooting performance in a workout. The Jazz pick 14th in the June 28 draft. The Orlando Magic have the No. 11 selection, and Redick -- one of the most decorated players in college basketball history -- is on their radar. They realize he might not stack up athletically with some other players -- the club is trying to move up in the draft -- but the Magic like Redick's tough skin. Few college players have been as reviled as Redick. In four years at Duke, he became the smirking face for the preppy, annoyingly successful ACC team that people love to hate. "He's a guy who has had a bull's-eye on his chest the past two years and a target for defenses and fans," Magic Assistant General Manager Dave Twardzik said. "He competes, plays the right way, makes big shots, has a tremendous feel for the game and moves well without the ball." With so few pure shooters in the NBA, Redick has value. The Magic need a shooter. The question is whether he can handle bigger, quicker defenders. "I think he's smart enough, and he uses a lot of little nuances on how to get open," Twardzik said. "He knows how to use the screen, he knows how to set his man up and he's gotten tremendously better at getting his shot off quicker so he doesn't need as much space. Offensively, he can flat-out play." "To be honest with you, I think that everybody wants to talk about what I can't do -- the doubts surrounding my game," Redick said. "But I can do one thing very well, and I can do a lot of things pretty good. And as long as I show that I'm adequate in those other areas, somebody's gonna give me a chance -- because I can really shoot the ball."</div> Criticism still fuels fire for Redick
