Why We Shouldn't Draft Redick at 11

Another guy we shouldn't draft is Shelden Williams. Why are some people pushing for us to get him? We already have Dwight, Darko and Battie so we don't need another big man. If Darko and Dwight is our future, why would we waste our pick on another PF/C like Williams? He is a good player and everything but our frontcourt is probably our strongest position we have right now in terms of depth. If DeShawn Stevenson is really leaving, we definently need a SG. I would even want Redick over Williams if it means we get our SG.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact that it took multiple LSU players to slow down Redick shows how great of a scorer he is. A lot of you guys are saying that he can be stopped once teams double team him or figure out his game. The Magic aren't expecting him to be a franchise player here and he would most likely just be our second or third option on offense. If he can draw multiple defenders, wouldn't that be exactly what we want so he can get guys like Jameer and Dwight easy baskets?

I'm not the biggest Redick fan but I don't think your arguement is very accurate. I don't think we should draft J.J. because he isn't very athletic, his defense is below average, and I think there will be better players available than him when we pick at #11. But to take anything away from Redick's scoring is crazy because he is the best shooter the college game has seen in awhile. I do agree his offensive game is somewhat one dimensional but his amazing shooting stroke and accuracy makes up for that.</div>

nice post, this is what i've been trying to get you guys to understand. I know he isnt great at d and there may be a better fit, but he is such an amazing scorer, i think it will be real hard to pass him up unless carney is there

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">nice post, this is what i've been trying to get you guys to understand. I know he isnt great at d and there may be a better fit, but he is such an amazing scorer, i think it will be real hard to pass him up unless carney is there</div>

You do realize that he doesn't want us to draft him right?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">You do realize that he doesn't want us to draft him right?</div>

Yes i do, and like i've said a billion times. there may be a better fit for you guys, but i think that you will regret not taking him because of his amazing scoring abilities.

Plus it is looking like you guys wont even have to worry about it anymore.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes i do, and like i've said a billion times. there may be a better fit for you guys, but i think that you will regret not taking him because of his amazing scoring abilities.

Plus it is looking like you guys wont even have to worry about it anymore.</div>

Why would we regret not taking him if we get a better fit? Doesn't make sense to me why we would regret it. You haven't answered that question yet and I've asked that almost a billion times now. (around 999,999, 990 times)

Why wouldn't we have to worry about it? Is someone gonna take him higher than us? I think if we don't take him, then he will either drop to the Jazz or into the 20's.

 

^^ i agree that redick is not the ideal player for you, but i think that in a fews years his offense will more than make up for it, thus causing the magic to regret taking carney or whatever. And you wont have to worry about it because i havent seen redick any higher than the jazz's pick

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">JJ Redick is just like any other prospect in the draft. He has to be put in the right system to succeed. Otis Smith said he wants to build this team just like the Spurs/Pistons blueprint. Now if you look at how these two teams play, it's inside-outside basketball and you need shooters to make it work.
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The other part of their system is playing defense and J.J. as we all know can not do something likie that game in and game out.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TwinTowers:</div><div class="quote_post">The other part of their system is playing defense and J.J. as we all know can not do something likie that game in and game out.</div>
Shut up about his defense. It's RIDICULOUS.

Maybe we should get rid of Jameer Nelson, and Carlos Arroyo, because they're the epitome of defense liability?

Reddick is exactly what we need, someone who can score consistently off the bench.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">Shut up about his defense. It's RIDICULOUS.

Maybe we should get rid of Jameer Nelson, and Carlos Arroyo, because they're the epitome of defense liability?

Reddick is exactly what we need, someone who can score consistently off the bench.</div>

I agree here, but we can get someone like Allen Ray with one of our 2nd rounders, who can score consistently off the bench and not use our lottery pick on a bench player. I don't know of any 36-46 team, who has missed the playoffs 3 years in a row, who has picked a player in the lottery with the intent that he will be a bench player. When you are consistently as bad as we have been in the last 3 years, you need to pick productive starters in the lottery. We busted last year in the lottery, so we can't do it again and in my opinion drafting Redick would be a bust for our franchise.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Tony Parker, Brent Barry, Nick Van Exel, Steve Kerr, none these guys were defensive stoppers for the Spurs. The Spurs defense is built in the post, same as the Pistons. Neither Billups or Rip are defensive stoppers for Detroit. Both those teams rely on interior defense to prevent teams from scoring.

Barry, Van Exel, Kerr are all offensive specialists for the Spurs, which is something Redick could be for the Magic.</div>

How many of them were lottery picks by the Spurs/Pistons? Also the difference for the Spurs is they have Bowen and Tayshaun at SF who can guard the best player, we have Hedo???? So are you really comparing Dwight Howard and Darko to the Wallace's and Duncan? We aren't good enough downlow defensively to rely on interior defense. Maybe in a couple of years we will be, but not this year.

I'm sure JJ Redick will be a good pick for whoever gets him. I just don't want him on the Magic. I'm not saying to draft a defensive stopper, just someone who can legitimately guard an average NBA guard and do more than just shoot. When JJ isn't making shots, he's borderline useless, IMO and we need a Josh Howard type guy who can help your team win even on an off night(I don't know of anyone that is like him though other than Roy-maybe Brewer-although he's much less of an offensive threat)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand how this question is relevant at all. These players were brought in through one channel or another to play a specific role for their respective teams. The Magic already have their core group of players, now they need to use the draft and free agency to build around that core. JJ Redick should definitely get a look from this team if he's even available at 11. </div>

That's fine getting veterans for that, it's just a temporary fit, they all will play 1-3 seasons there. We need to use our lotto pick for someone that will be in Orlando for a long time. We can always sign our Steve Kerr, Brent Barry for cheap for our shooters off the bench once we are contending. There's not really a use to draft a shooter that will come off the bench(hopefully he comes off the bench) in the lottery when you haven't made the playoffs for 3 years.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I've read a few times in this thread "If his shots aren't falling, he's useless." I completely disagree, you have to factor in some intangibles Redick is going to bring to any organization. He comes from one of the best college basketball programs in the nation. He's played and succeeded under pressure and isn't rattled by the spotlight. You need guys like him around because their confidence is contagious and they can settle a young team down. He'll give it everything in practice and will bring out the competitive spirit of his players. </div>

Alright he's confident and that's a good intangible, but what happens when he shoots 2-12 or 1-9 or something like that, will he be able to give us good defense? good rebounding? good passing? create for his teammates? I just don't see how his confidence will overcome all of that ^^^^. I don't know, the Magic just have a history of not letting their 3 pt specialist shoot the past few years. For example, I don't know how many games we would play Pat Garrity 20 mins and he takes 2 shots and both were on broken plays. If he is in the game, give him the ball, let him shoot, I don't care if he makes it or not, just let him keep shooting, we know he's not in there for his D. I know Redick is a better shooter than Pat Garrity, I was just saying he was our 3 pt specialist and he didn't get many plays called for him.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was the John Wooden Award winner last year, if you go back and look at the college players who have won this award, they've all had long, productive careers in the NBA, with the exception of Ed O'Bannon.

<font size=""1"">2006 - J.J. Redick, Duke
2005 - Andrew Bogut, Utah
2004 - Jameer Nelson, Saint Joseph's
2003 - T. J. Ford, Texas
2002 - Jay Williams, Duke
2001 - Shane Battier, Duke
2000 - Kenyon Martin, Cincinnati
1999 - Elton Brand, Duke
1998 - Antawn Jamison, North Carolina
1997 - Tim Duncan, Wake Forest
1996 - Marcus Camby, UMass
1995 - Ed O'Bannon, UCLA
1994 - Glenn Robinson, Purdue
1993 - Calbert Cheaney, Indiana
1992 - Christian Laettner, Duke
1991 - Larry Johnson, UNLV
1990 - Lionel Simmons, La Salle
1989 - Sean Elliott, Arizona
1988 - Danny Manning, Kansas
1987 - David Robinson, Navy
1986 - Walter Berry, St. John's
1985 - Chris Mullin, St. John's
1984 - Michael Jordan, North Carolina
1983 - Ralph Sampson, Virginia
1982 - Ralph Sampson, Virginia
1981 - Danny Ainge, BYU
1980 - Darrell Griffith, Louisville
1979 - Larry Bird, Indiana State
1978 - Phil Ford, North Carolina
1977 - Marques Johnson, UCLA </font></div>

It's a good list, but with the past history, only 1 guy in the last 10 years(Jameer) got picked outside the top 7 and only 2 guys outside the Top 5. Redick will be outside the Top 10 more than likely, so he's just not as talented according to scouts as the other guys listed.

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There's a few guys in this year's draft who could develop into a Bowen or Tayshaun type defender, but the Magic are better of pursuing a proven one via free agency. Trevor Ariza is a solid defender, or they can go after someone like Quentin Ross, who will likely be a cap casualty in Clipperland. Other potential guys to fill this roll, Pietrus, Patterson, Travis Outlaw, Viktor Khyrapa, or Josh Childress.
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We are pretty tight with money now so we won't sign anyone, so that we can keep enough money to max someone the year after.

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Are the Magic making a title run next season?

Of course Howard and Darko aren't as good as Duncan or the Wallaces. However, they have the upside to be just as good, or better. I don't think it would be a stretch to say Dwight Howard will become a superior player to Big Ben. Darko should be better than Nazr or Rasho for the Spurs, but I don't think he'll ever reach Sheed's level. But he really doesn't need to for this team to become a contender.

Right now it's all about building around Howard-Darko-Jameer and developing the team chemistry. Making the playoffs next year should be the main goal and drafting Redick would improve their chances. </div>

You are right, we aren't contending this year, but we are trying to make a run deep into the playoffs. Yeah we definetely need to build around Dwight-Darko-Jameer, but to help them out we need to have something other than a revolving wall defense. It's gonna be tough to have them develop if they are constantly in foul trouble trying to help out against guards/wings that are penetrating to the lane.

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What about the concept of drafting the BAP? Even if you don't want Redick, there's a lot of teams out there who do and would probably give the Magic a favorable trade to land him.</div>

We have to come out of the draft with a SG in the lottery. Theres no ifs ands or buts about it. If it's Redick, I wouldn't be too disappointed, just as long as we get a SG. If someone will give us a favorable trade for our pick, I would take it for sure.
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Like I've been saying, I think Redick would be a good player, but I just can't see a Jameer, Redick, Hedo starting lineup be effective. Sure that is instant offense, but for every 2 points they score, they will give up 3. I don't think you guys realize how bad a defensive starting 3 that would be, or take into consideration defense. Dwight really isn't that good of a defender YET. He gives up A LOT of points. The bigs that he guards normally have monster games. He is a good help defender, but not very good man to man defender.

I don't know, I just feel drafting Ronnie Brewer with the lotto pick, then Allen Ray(to fill that shooter of the bench role) with a 2nd would be more beneficial to us than JJ Redick and Denham Brown.

 

We have Dooling at the 2 and Ariza at the 3 and Id say Jameer is a good defender what was it 7 steals on AI last year in one game? The reason JJ would be good is that he opens up shots not for himself but for others like I've been saying. Pat doest shoot beacuse for one he has been off with his shots but he spreds the floor so Dwight and Jameer can score down low.

I would like a good defender but it seems that teams are driving to the basket and not much shooting jumpers as the old days were. The Mavs said there trying to stop Dwade by letting him shoot and not get to the basket so putting pressure on there bigs by having them close out on the weak side is something they did to stop him(they took game 1).

Gaters I see your concern with a defender but I think are need is a shooter like JJ who will fill the boxscore with points and have the defenders guard him closely leaving our, what is a very deep team open for points.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">Shut up about his defense. It's RIDICULOUS.

Maybe we should get rid of Jameer Nelson, and Carlos Arroyo, because they're the epitome of defense liability?

Reddick is exactly what we need, someone who can score consistently off the bench.</div>
Hey the truth hurts and Redick's knock on his game is his defense you cannot denie that and the Magic want to build around defense so that should count out Redick.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Tony Parker, Brent Barry, Nick Van Exel, Steve Kerr, none these guys were defensive stoppers for the Spurs. The Spurs defense is built in the post, same as the Pistons. Neither Billups or Rip are defensive stoppers for Detroit. Both those teams rely on interior defense to prevent teams from scoring.

Barry, Van Exel, Kerr are all offensive specialists for the Spurs, which is something Redick could be for the Magic.</div>

And those players made up for it with their speed and quickness and other intangables. Redick is an amazingly gifted offense player but like Gators said Ray would be a better pick so we dont waste a lottery pick on Redick.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">The only one in there that you can even mention is Ben Gordan, because he is a SG that is smaller than Redick. Can you honestly tell me that JJ Redick can do what Ben Gordan does overall and not just shooting?</div>

No, not at all, I'm just saying, Redicks size should'nt be a factor at all, as though guards I mentioned have shown.

Redick is still young, he still has time to mature furthur and still develop new aspects to his game, if he is willing to put the work in to improve himself, I think he would be a nice pick up for the Magic.

 

I think one thing needs to keep in mind is that offense and 3 point shooters are extremely easy to get in free agency and trades. But it's a lot more difficult to find a lock down defender with the potential of offensive bursts.

An earlier example included the Pistons and Spurs having a strong interior defense and outside shooters. One thing you forgot to mention was their perimeter defense. Tayshaun Prince and Bruce Bowen are great perimeter defenders and are keys to their championship runs. Magic have nothing like that at all. Pair that with Turkoglu and Nelson's defense and there is no protection at the perimeter.

If you draft someone like Carney or Brewer, they have the potential to be great defenders with limited liability on offense. Then during free agency go after a great role playing shooter.

 

^^i agree, please name 3 free agents that are even close to as good a shooter as redick. Defensive players dont make a lot of money, offensive players do, why? because defense like shapecity said is almost all effort. Bowen, tashaun, big ben, hassell (sorry, had to mention him) arent even close to as physically gifted or make as much money as great scorers like michael redd or ray allen. Big ben will most likely get a big contract this year, but not as much as a great scorer from the post like Dirk

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^i agree, please name 3 free agents that are even close to as good a shooter as redick. Defensive players dont make a lot of money, offensive players do, why? because defense like shapecity said is almost all effort. Bowen, tashaun, big ben, hassell (sorry, had to mention him) arent even close to as physically gifted or make as much money as great scorers like michael redd or ray allen. Big ben will most likely get a big contract this year, but not as much as a great scorer from the post like Dirk</div>

You are saying it is hard to find an offensive superstar and that they make more money but that isn't what Redick would be on this team. He would be a role player who most likely comes off of the bench. Now answer this question, if the Magic are rebuilding and are one piece away from making a playoff run, why do they use this lottery pick on a bench player? I understand we need to build around Dwight, Jameer, and Darko but if we want bench players we can turn to the second round for that. I think we need to move up and select Brandon Roy or select Ronnie Brewer at #11. Both are good role players capable of starting and provide a boost on both sides of the court which is important with our defensive intensity.