CV31 and First overall pick for Gasol or Jermain O'Neal

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  1. Drunkballer

    Drunkballer JBB JustBBall Member

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    Chad Ford an NBA draft specialist for espn is reporting that Colangelo is entertaining the option of trading for an established superstar due to the fact that he dosen't want to delay the rebuilding process if he doesn't have to. The two trade options he presented were as follows:

    CV31 + #1 overall pick for Jermaine Oneal

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    CV31 + #1 overall pick for Pau Gasol

    Ford reports these places as viable trade options to to the fact each franchise is suffering from cap problems and they don't seem likely to get over the hump and get towards playing elite championship basketball without a complete rebuilding effort.



    - Im not to thrilled with any of these potential options, but im not normally familiar with Chad Ford work so i don't know houw much weight to put into these rumours or if its just hearsay and speculation.
     
  2. Voodoo Child

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    I highly doubt that Memphis would ship off Pau Gasol at such a cheap price. Let's face it, there aren't many prospects in this year's draft who have the potential to be the type of player that Gasol is: a 7'0", long, athletic, All-Star PF/C who is still developing his game and his body, improving by leaps and bounds every season. He's a huge asset. I'm not counting out Charlie Villanueva, but I just think that when you trade a player like Gasol, you have to get one established star in return, not just a lot of different pieces.

    As for the Grizzlies' cap problems, Ford's overlooking the fact that the Grizzlies have Eddie Jones, who has one of the NBA's fifteen largest salaries and will be coming off the books next year, giving them more than enough cap room to sign a high quality free agent.
     
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    Most ESPN rumors never happen.. Their "sources" comes from their dreams. And most of it is their opinion rather than rumors.
     
  4. 50

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    I like Chad Ford though. I don't really know about this trade because the draft isn't deep at all.
     
  5. Midnight Green

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 50:</div><div class="quote_post">I like Chad Ford though. I don't really know about this trade because the draft isn't deep at all.</div>
    It's deep in talent it just doesn't have that Lebron James or Dwyane Wade in it. That person that will be a superstar from day one.
     
  6. Buckets

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    I like the Jermaine deal but not hte Pau one.
     
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    No comment...

    I don't know about moving Charlie.
     
  8. Nasty

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    I wouldn't make a Charlie for Jermaine straight up, consdiering O'Neal's ridiculous contract and injury problems.


    As for Pau, I think Jerry West would be somehow Bacocknized for him to accept such a deal. Paul Gasol is a STUD!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Buckets:</div><div class="quote_post">I like the Jermaine deal but not hte Pau one.</div>
    Why? Jermaine is always injured plus he has a monster contract...wouldn't make any sense to me.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">It's deep in talent it just doesn't have that Lebron James or Dwyane Wade in it. That person that will be a superstar from day one.</div>

    That is what I meant. With the number one pick, you could take the same guy with the 5th pick you know.[​IMG] Their are alot of kids with talent yes, but what I meant was the LeBron type player.
     
  11. Mamba

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    If I were Memphis, the only thing that would entice me into doing this deal is the thought of Bargnani becoming another Dirk. Other than that, I would pass. It's something to think about, though.
     
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    Tsikishvilli was once projected to be a Dirk Nowitzki, remember.
     
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    That's very true, but I think Bargnani is the real thing. It's at least too enticing to not think about.

    Bargnani is a 7'0 easily who can run the court. His offensive game is incredible. He can handle the ball extremely well, hit the 3. Catch n shoot, Take his man off of the dribble, pull up, and drive it to the rim. He has a high, quick release so it'll be hard to block his shot. Didn't he beat Chris Bosh off the dribble a couple of times in a preseason game?

    I do understand though that he is a project, but a great one in my opinion. Onnce his frame fills out, I think you'll have a monster on your hands. I think it's hard for Toronto not to pick him, but it's hard not to explore options with that number 1 pick.
     
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    Alot of people (including myself) have this guy going at 1-3, but in reality, why? He hasnt really proven anything so far, he averaged quite poor numbers for the position he is projected at (averaging from what I can make out of the Italian website I viewed, 11.9ppg, 5.5rpg), all he has is <u>potential</u>, but really my point is, as Fever said, how many "potential Dirk Nowitzki'" European players have we seen over the last few years? Quite alot, and how many of them have lived up to their expectations? None.

    The facts basically go to show that anyone out of Europe with potential is almost a garunteed bust, I just cant see why any team would be willing to take a gamble on one of them, especially within the top 5.
     
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    a frontline of jermaine o'neil and chris bosh would be the best in the league. i would try an unload eric williams as well as alvin'c contract as well in that deal cause we would be assuming a huge salary cap hit.
     
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    I'd rather keep CV rather than get Pau and JO. CV is still young and learning the ropes. Obviously he will get better defensively as he gets more experience.
     
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    It's a rather weak draft class, so if I were the Pacers or the Grizz I would rather take my chances at landing a top five pick next year (aka Greg Oden or Joakim Noah), for the all-stars. Trading for the number one pick this year is just silly being that you can get a player at equal value farther down in the draft.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Tsikishvilli was once projected to be a Dirk Nowitzki, remember.</div>
    That's true, however, it was absurd for whoever made such claims because he played very limited minutes in professional european ball and never produced any staggering numbers. They labelled him as the next Nowitzki based on potential alone.

    Bargnani on the other hand has been playing significant minutes in europe and has actually been producing good numbers there. Not only that, but his improvements from year to year have been excellent.

    Not saying that Bargnani won't turn out to be a bust, just stating that it isn't fair to compare his fortunes to that of Tsikishvilli.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">That's very true, but I think Bargnani is the real thing. It's at least too enticing to not think about.

    Bargnani is a 7'0 easily who can run the court. His offensive game is incredible. He can handle the ball extremely well, hit the 3. Catch n shoot, Take his man off of the dribble, pull up, and drive it to the rim. He has a high, quick release so it'll be hard to block his shot. Didn't he beat Chris Bosh off the dribble a couple of times in a preseason game?

    I do understand though that he is a project, but a great one in my opinion. Onnce his frame fills out, I think you'll have a monster on your hands. I think it's hard for Toronto not to pick him, but it's hard not to explore options with that number 1 pick.</div>

    Memphis already has the second best european player in the game and they'd risk losing him for an unproven european big man?
     
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    Skeeta played amazing this summer on the twolves team, but he broke his arm. This guy, to me just had horrible luck. He can play. bargnani could be great but lets be honest. None of us have seen him play in a whole game, so we will just have to wait to see how good he is.
     

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