is it better to act like the clothesline didnt bug you, or get up and punch him in the face? come on kobe handled the clothesline in just about he best way possible. What would you have done? And i mean the whining he does after games by saying he has no respect for kobe and stuff like that. Plus i'm not sure but i'd bet raja has the most T's/flagrants of this years playoffs. He is still a good player which i have mentioned and as i said earlier i used to like him, but now i have no respect for him whatsoever.
The flopping and constant complaining is really starting to ruin the game for me. I don't remember there being so much complaining after every single call since I started watching basketball which was like 15 years ago. It's really getting to the point where it's getting ridiculous.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">After watching Ginobli, Raja Bell, Horry, and Steve Nash in the playoffs, I think the league needs to do something about all the flopping going on. I know the refs are human, but these players are getting ridiculous with the exaggerated gestures. I sat and watched Raja Bell flop 85% of the time while holding Kobe in the Lakers series (and in the whole playoffs). Ginobli has made flopping a part of his game now, I think he practices it after every practice. I'm glad Miami and Dallas are in the finals, we're actually gonna see a hard played series. But the league needs to do something about all the damn flopping, it's takin away from the intregity of the game.</div> i mean the way the rules have changed you really cant blame the defender for flopping. its impossible to guard a decent scorer because almost any contact is a foul. and since that is at least a 50/50 shot at creating a turnover people make it a huge part of their game. coaches complain about flopping but they also encourage it. To show you how much the game has changed over the last 7-8 years, you now have 7 footers taking charges when they should be swatting shots. centers who took charges used to be jeered. but now shot blocking is almost a lost part of the game. but is in part the fear of drawing ticky tack fouls during a block attempts. If shaq draws a charge on Iverson its a good play. But can iverson really knock shaq down to the floor in that process? NO! But with all that said I HATE FLOPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">is it better to act like the clothesline didnt bug you, or get up and punch him in the face? come on kobe handled the clothesline in just about he best way possible. What would you have done? And i mean the whining he does after games by saying he has no respect for kobe and stuff like that. Plus i'm not sure but i'd bet raja has the most T's/flagrants of this years playoffs. He is still a good player which i have mentioned and as i said earlier i used to like him, but now i have no respect for him whatsoever.</div> So getting up, brushing it off and laughing about it right in front of Raja Bell is the best way possible to handle it? Get up and let your game do the talking, do'nt be all arrogant about it. So Raja Bell has to respect Kobe, but Kobe does'nt have to respect Raja Bell? Kobe did his fair share of trash talking(both sides were weak trash talkers-until Raja's mom came into the picture). No NBA player is required to respect everyone. We don'tn know what happened, maybe Raja called Kobe and made a threat or maybe Kobe did that to spark that kind of reaction. So let me get this right, Raja Bell isn't allowed to trash talk Kobe, but Kobe is allowed to trash talk him? So Bell is supposed to just take it in and not say anything and he has to agree with Kobe's trash talking???? From a basketball standpoint, you said you don't like getting elbowed in the face often and that you would get angry, but Raja Bell isn't allowed to get angry to get hit in the face for 40 mins a game 5 times in a week and a half by the same player?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityVC15:</div><div class="quote_post">ben wallace did alot of flopping against shaq to..it is really annoying we can all thank vlade divac for it to.</div> If you don't flop against Shaq, you'll end up like Dikembe during the Finals when he was with the Sixers.
It goes both ways. People don't complain when an offensive player flails his arms after the defender just grazes them on their jumpshot. Why? Because the person still committed a foul and the offensive player's just making sure the ref saw it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">You are discrediting basically everything that Raja Bell does because of 1 cheap shot. Kobe also did a cheap shot very similar but you are a huge fan. That's very hypocritical. Hate Raja Bell for his game, not just that one hit, especially when one of your favorite players did a dirty shot like that. .</div> Only a Raja Bell fan would say that. Bell is known for some questionable defense. He gets away with murder sometimes guarding his opponents. He isn't known to get under ppl's skin for nothin. I'm sure Kobe's elbow was done on purpose, but it seemed in retaliation for something earlier. If Bell didn't flop so much, maybe the elbow wouldve been taken more seriously <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">So getting up, brushing it off and laughing about it right in front of Raja Bell is the best way possible to handle it? Get up and let your game do the talking, do'nt be all arrogant about it</div> I thought Kobe handled it very good. I mean after being close lined and thrown down, isn't laughing a more positive way to handle it.
Flopping is annoying and i agree with michiganave that it is a product of the system that nba has become. I am sick of how defensive players cant play tough d anymore. Like the no forearm in the back of a post player and now no hands whatsoever, i meaa what else are they supoosed to use? They need to flop because in todays nba getting in front of the offensive player and getting a hand in his face will just get you fouled out and lit up on the scoreboard. Flopping is necessary right now. And gatorsownthencaa we will just have to agree to disagree yet again
I think adding an All-NBA flop team would be nice. Nobody would want to be on that team, except for players like Ginobili.
its just frustration, i'd do it too, and i get hit a lot too in parks in queens it's crazy got used to it
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> Ginobli has made flopping a part of his game now, I think he practices it after every practice. </div> flopping is the basic drill in team practice.... i m in high school jv basketball team, we do that almost every practice(it's pretty funny though)... it's nothing wrong about practicing flopping..
I wouldn't think he's joking. As a coach, I like to get 7 fouls and get into the bonus asap, so that every little foul becomes a free throw. I remeber a guy flopping on me and trying to call them in a game of 21 between 3 people in the street. I told him nobody does that in the street, and only does it when there is a refree present.
You are taught to kind of flop when you take offesnvie fouls, at least some coaches teach that. I'm talking about where you take a charge and coach tells you to go "AGH" lol. I still think it is pretty ridiculous for grown men to flop. Rip Hamilton focuses on drawing fouls more than he focuses on actually scoring sometimes. I don't remember seeing Bell flop, but he did react the wrong way when he thought Kobe was elbowing him.
Vhar that's hilarious, and innetswetrust has got it right about shaq, dikembe tried, by he got effed up i hate when people go "argh"! it bugs me soooooo much in games. if i were a ref, i would call a foul on them no matter how much of a charge it was. Same with offensive players doing it on a drive, it bugs me a lot.
