Comes now three university professors with a new algorithm to that measures a player's "wins produced"...and therefore value to their teams. The profs, from the University of California, William & Mary, and University of Sioux Falls, say Kevin Garnett is No. 1, producing 26.5 wins; followed by Jason Kidd at 23.7; Shawn Marion at 22.6; Lebron James at 20.4; and Ben Wallace, at 20.1. Let them explain it all to you in Saturday's New York Times and their new book, "The Wages of Wins". Source http://www.wagesofwins.com/ cool stuff, this is also in the nets forum, but with kg being number one, i thought it should be here too. I dont really understand how they do this, but it must be right if KG is number one
Before you get to excited, keep in mind that by the same method they found Allen Iverson to be the 91st best player in the league during his MVP season. Now, I don't think he was even close to deserving the MVP that season over Shaq, but 91st is a little ridiculous.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Before you get to excited, keep in mind that by the same method they found Allen Iverson to be the 91st best player in the league during his MVP season. Now, I don't think he was even close to deserving the MVP that season over Shaq, but 91st is a little ridiculous.</div> Not questioning you at all, but do you have a link to the article?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Not questioning you at all, but do you have a link to the article?</div> Check out the New Yorker review of the book. The book is not kind to Iverson. I've seen the "91st" figure on the internet. Just google "iverson wages of wins 91st". The book refers to two stats -- Win Score and Wins Produced. Wins Produced is more detailed and precise and allegedly can return the number of wins a player produced for the team during the season. Win Score is a simplified version that can be used to quickly rate how much a player did in a given game to help his team win (or lose). The formula is simply: Win Score = PTS + REB + STL - FGA - TO + 0.5*(AST + BLK - FTA - PF) They contend that, through their research, a point, rebound, steal, field goal attempt, and turnover (in absolute terms) has the same "value". And the others (assists, blocks, free throw attempts, and personal fouls) have less value. Thus, they derive the above formula for quick calculations. When I apply this simplified formula for all players in the 2000-2001 season, here is how they rank in total Win Scores over the season (top 120 players): <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>PlayerTeamGPWS<br/>1o'neal,shaquill lal741098.5<br/>2wallace,bendet801053.5<br/>3garnett,kevinmin811048.5<br/>4duncan,timsan821003<br/>5mutombo,dikembephi75985<br/>6nowitzki,dirkdal82959.5<br/>7marion,shawnpho79944<br/>8weatherspoon,cl cle82874<br/>9malone,karluta81816.5<br/>10mcdyess,antonioden70816<br/>11webber,chrissac70800.5<br/>12robinson,davidsan80792.5<br/>13mason,anthonymia80791<br/>14camby,marcusnyk63784<br/>15abdur-rahim,sha van81756<br/>16allen,raymil82750<br/>17outlaw,charlesorl80745<br/>18wallace,rasheedpor77743.5<br/>19francis,stevehou80719<br/>20brown,p.j.cha80702<br/>21mcgrady,tracyorl77700.5<br/>22brand,eltonchi74694.5<br/>23o'neal,jermaineind81684<br/>24davis,antoniotor78679<br/>25kidd,jasonpho77677<br/>26walker,antoinebos81675.5<br/>27divac,vladesac81653<br/>28lewis,rashardsea78650<br/>29marshall,donyel uta81645<br/>30lafrentz,raefden78623.5<br/>31pierce,paulbos82622.5<br/>32grant,brianmia82610.5<br/>33carter,vincetor75610<br/>34odom,lamarlac76606<br/>35bradley,shawndal82604<br/>36oakley,charlestor78591<br/>37davis,dalepor81590<br/>38stockton,johnuta82580<br/>39stojakovic,pred sac75579.5<br/>40jamison,antawngsw82578.5<br/>41payton,garysea79576<br/>42johnson,ervinmil82571.5<br/>43smith,michaelwas79554<br/>44grant,horacelal77552<br/>45brandon,terrellmin78541<br/>46davis,baroncha82541<br/>47lynch,georgephi82538<br/>48armstrong,darre orl75531.5<br/>49mashburn,jamalcha76527.5<br/>50szczerbiak,wall min82522.5<br/>51bryant,kobelal68522<br/>52hill,tyronephi76518<br/>53robinson,glennmil76515.5<br/>54miller,andrecle82514<br/>55finley,michaeldal82512.5<br/>56hoiberg,fredchi74491.5<br/>57campbell,eldencha78491<br/>58christie,dougsac81491<br/>59williams,aaronnjn82491<br/>60bibby,mikevan82487.5<br/>61thomas,kurtnyk77480.5<br/>62jackson,marknyk83480<br/>63miller,reggieind81466.5<br/>64anderson,dereksan82456.5<br/>65olajuwon,hakeemhou58451.5<br/>66howard,juwandal81442<br/>67nash,stevedal70439<br/>68pollard,scotsac77433.5<br/>69cassell,sammil76432.5<br/>70mobley,cuttinohou79429<br/>71posey,jamesden82416<br/>72ewing,patricksea79414.5<br/>73ellis,laphonsomin82414.5<br/>74vanexel,nickden71414<br/>75ratliff,theophi50412.5<br/>76miles,dariuslac81409.5<br/>77wells,bonzipor75408.5<br/>78patterson,rubensea76403.5<br/>79willis,kevinden78403.5<br/>80pippen,scottiepor64403<br/>81blaylock,mookiegsw69402<br/>82rose,jalenind72401<br/>83barry,brentsea67398<br/>84white,jahidiwas68396<br/>85mckie,aaronphi76384.5<br/>86stoudamire,damo por82382.5<br/>87potapenko,vital bos82382.5<br/>88russell,bryonuta78379<br/>89jones,eddiemia63378<br/>90wright,lorenzenatl71373<br/>91fox,ricklal82372<br/>92miller,bradchi57369.5<br/>93clark,keontor81368<br/>94martin,kenyonnjn68364.5<br/>95marbury,stephonnjn67359.5<br/>96williams,jerometor59357<br/>97ostertag,greguta81355<br/>98reeves,bryantvan75349.5<br/>99iverson,allenphi71347.5<br/>100smith,stevepor81343.5<br/>101mcinnis,jefflac81342<br/>102thomas,timmil76341<br/>103best,travisind77341<br/>104laettner,christ was78338<br/>105stith,bryantbos78328.5<br/>106miller,mikeorl82326.5<br/>107williams,alvintor82325.5<br/>108foyle,adonalgsw58324<br/>109smith,joedet69324<br/>110anderson,shando hou82323.5<br/>111williams,scottmil66322.5<br/>112foster,jeffind71321<br/>113sabonis,arvydaspor61316<br/>114terry,jasonatl82312.5<br/>115thomas,kennyhou74312<br/>116kukoc,toniatl65311<br/>117porter,terrysan80311<br/>118jackson,marcgsw48305<br/>119blount,coriegsw68304.5<br/>120piatkowski,ericlac81304.5<br/></div> I have him ranked 99 on this list, going by Win Scores. There's a significant bias towards big men/rebounders. Now, for Wins Produced apparently they make some adjustments for each position to move guards and SFs up higher in the rankings (they're rationale for doing this, beyond simply making the list more credible, escapes me). So, maybe after the adjustments Iverson fairs a bit better. Still, I don't think they would consider him one of the great players in the game, even in his MVP season.
