Trading Ben Wallace could set up Pistons' next title run

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well without Ben, you aren't going to lose any points</div>

Its not just about the points you score, the points the opponent score is every bit as important towards winning

 

I wish the spurs could pick him up, we need a decent center. Nazr and rasho really havent impressed me all season, they had a couple of good games, i wish the spurs would trade those two and offer up some money for ben, but its not possible

 

I don't think Big Ben's the problem, he's playing his role to perfection and the Detroit fans I guess are finding a sacrificial lamb to poke their disapointing season at, whether it's Flip or Big Ben.

It's evident the Pistons don't have depth, which is something they need to address, I also think Rasheed Wallace is the overrated one on the team, not Big Ben.

Every game he's the "X-factor" "can come up huge", yet time after time he disapoints with sub par scoring/rebounding games and careless mistakes. The only game I remember where he performed well was that 20 point game in the playoffs.

Rasheed's line vs. the Heat

10 points 8 rebounds
7 points 5 boards 3-11 FG
12 points 5 boards 5-13 FG 6 Personal Fouls
11 points 10 boards 4-11 FG
16 points 7 boards 6 Personal Fouls
7 points 3 boards 3-10 FG

Averaging 10.5 ppg 6.3 rpg in the most important series of the year.

I think that itself speaks.

 

Exactly, I said that in another topic, Detroit lacks consitancy. If one player isnt performing, its another, and like wise.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Big Ben's the problem, he's playing his role to perfection and the Detroit fans I guess are finding a sacrificial lamb to poke their disapointing season at, whether it's Flip or Big Ben.

It's evident the Pistons don't have depth, which is something they need to address, I also think Rasheed Wallace is the overrated one on the team, not Big Ben.

Every game he's the "X-factor" "can come up huge", yet time after time he disapoints with sub par scoring/rebounding games and careless mistakes. The only game I remember where he performed well was that 20 point game in the playoffs.

Rasheed's line vs. the Heat

10 points 8 rebounds
7 points 5 boards 3-11 FG
12 points 5 boards 5-13 FG 6 Personal Fouls
11 points 10 boards 4-11 FG
16 points 7 boards 6 Personal Fouls
7 points 3 boards 3-10 FG

Averaging 10.5 ppg 6.3 rpg in the most important series of the year.

I think that itself speaks.</div>
You know, you are totally right. Ever since they were eliminated, I've thought that the Pistons needed to sacrifice a little to build up some depth. Big Ben seems to be the fall guy this year, but Sheed is clearly the most expendable member of their starting lineup. I thought he had a very bad playoffs. Plus replacing Sheed's presence would be much easier than replacing Ben's.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Detroit lacks consitancy. If one player isnt performing, its another, and like wise.</div>

Ya'll are talking about consistency, since the reemergence of the Pistons as an elite team over the past few years, most any analyst would tell you the most consistent player over that stretch has by far beem Ben <font color=""RoyalBlue"">Wallace</font>. Wether having success as an individual getting awards or allstar nods or league notoriety -- or being there to make the big defensive stop or supplement the fast break with his rebounding; he is by far the most notable player on this current team. How you Detroit fans go from being his #1 advocatists to being the ones trying to push him outta town is a mystery to me// and damned to say it provides a disturbing outlook for any player thinking of going to Detroit that they would do you like this after the kind of success they've had.

 

Big Ben has been far from consistant over the last 2 seasons, http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_wallace/index.html

 

Good Defence leads to Good Offence, i miss Larry Brown....

 

Well when it's all said and done I think that the Pistons will keep Wallace. But you have to consider the offers because you really don't lose any points with Wallace out of there. It would be hard to pass up Brad Miller along with some fillers...

 

Shoot, did they mention the mavs? I'm down. Take Dampier, our 1st round pick, and daniels for wallace and a filler. I find it hard to believe that the Mavs would not win the championship next year if we had iour core (dirk,howard,terry) and Ben Wallace on the team at one time.

 

Ben Wallace on the Bulls would be crazy. The Bulls are already a very strong defensive team with a core of young, defensive players. If they sign him, I could see the Bulls becoming maybe like the Pistons of 2003-2004? A team that actually plays like a team?

Besides, you could argue they gave the Heat the most trouble in the playoffs. They were the only team to blowout the Heat in the playoffs.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimmyDMVP:</div><div class="quote_post">I wish the spurs could pick him up, we need a decent center. Nazr and rasho really havent impressed me all season, they had a couple of good games, i wish the spurs would trade those two and offer up some money for ben, but its not possible</div>

Isn't Nazr a Free Agent?

I remember he had a huge game during the season grabbing something like 20 rebounds

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting houston_owns_u:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace on the Bulls would be crazy. The Bulls are already a very strong defensive team with a core of young, defensive players. If they sign him, I could see the Bulls becoming maybe like the Pistons of 2003-2004? A team that actually plays like a team?

Besides, you could argue they gave the Heat the most trouble in the playoffs. They were the only team to blowout the Heat in the playoffs.</div>

Bulls could have easily beaten them. We really stuffed up Game 1 and 5, and almost came back in Game 2.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace is a good defensive player, but he didn't deserve DPOY again this year.</div>
who did then? I laugh because detroit had the best record, and u guys wanna get rid of ur backbone player, and make major changes...i guess thats why they don't let dumbasses be GM's.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">who did then? I laugh because detroit had the best record, and u guys wanna get rid of ur backbone player, and make major changes...i guess thats why they don't let dumbasses be GM's.</div>

Andrei Kirilenko.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting houston_owns_u:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace on the Bulls would be crazy. The Bulls are already a very strong defensive team with a core of young, defensive players. If they sign him, I could see the Bulls becoming maybe like the Pistons of 2003-2004? A team that actually plays like a team?

Besides, you could argue they gave the Heat the most trouble in the playoffs. They were the only team to blowout the Heat in the playoffs.</div>

Nope Jersey blew them out in game 1 lol.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">i guess thats why they don't let dumbasses be GM's.</div>

Forget about Isiah Thomas did we?

Trading Ben wouldnt hurt us as much as people think, I'd love to see him stay, but money talks.

 

Well the way I see it, what offense you lose in Ben is the defense he makes up for. His defensive presence well makes or made* up for his poor offensive attributes.

Also Dalembert doesn't lack offensively. He has shown great promise and skill whenever I see him play. He already has a better free throw shot than Ben and is vastly younger in NBA terms.

Also whoever was at a loss to someone else taking home the DPOY award obviously doesn't watch basketball. AK47 and Artest to say the least.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You know, you are totally right. Ever since they were eliminated, I've thought that the Pistons needed to sacrifice a little to build up some depth. Big Ben seems to be the fall guy this year, but Sheed is clearly the most expendable member of their starting lineup. I thought he had a very bad playoffs. Plus replacing Sheed's presence would be much easier than replacing Ben's.</div>

Big Chutney speaks the truth.