Wade in the 2005 WCF was bothered by Prince a couple of games. I think the difference this year was just that Detroit was a weaker defensive team and their chemistry on D just wasn't as good. Oh and NBAman, I hope you stop watching the NBA so you don't kill yourself next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck~Taylor:</div><div class="quote_post">They didnt produce att all though. And yes, Mike Brown is a shiity coach. He almost lost a couple of games to the Wizards. And did you just say that Eric Snow can create his own shot? What the hell are you taking? Erick fuckking Snow? All Snow can do is defend, that's it. Larry Hughes didn't NOTHING for them this season. Gooden got outplayed by Varejeo but that dosn't make Varejeo solid. He's a hard worker and he get's some boards but that's pretty much it. James Posey,Antione Walker, Jason Williams,Shaq,and Alonzo Mourning are better than Zyndrunas Illgauskas,Drew Gooden,Varejeo, and Hughes. Simple as that.</div> When did I ever say that Cleveland's cast was better than Miami's. I'm just stating that I do'nt think Cleveland's cast is as shitty as you say. What does losing a couple of games to the Wizards have to do with Brown? So you expect the 4 seed to sweep the 5 seed? WIzards are a good team, I don't think you can say Brown is a bad coach because the Wizards beat them. Yes, Eric Snow can create his own shot(he doesn't take it most of the time and prefers to pass it off though).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BlueBayou87:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont believe in the idea of "softening up". Thats just a ridiculous way to try and make Wade look like less than he is.</div> I love Wade, I wasnt trying to make him look less than he is. I just do think the Cavs softened up the Pistons for the Heat. Wade is one of the best if not the best player in the NBA right now. So I'm not trying to make him look bad or anything.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rodderz:</div><div class="quote_post">I love Wade, I wasnt trying to make him look less than he is. I just do think the Cavs softened up the Pistons for the Heat. Wade is one of the best if not the best player in the NBA right now. So I'm not trying to make him look bad or anything.</div> And was Dallas "softened up" by the Spurs? Aren't good team supposed to get better as the playoffs progress?
Here's some opinions from REAL ESPN EXPERTS. "5. Is Wade the best player in the NBA? Anthony: When you have the title, until someone takes his belt, I'd have to say yes. Remember, he was beyond great. No one, and I mean no one, could be any better than D-Wade was in the Finals. He is the best, period. Bucher: How fun is it to have to downgrade a guy after such a thrilling championship performance before the champagne has even evaporated from his clothes? This is the kind of question that makes writers look like jerks. And with that: No. Kobe's defense and 3-point range still give him the edge. For now. Hollinger: Based on the regular season, I wasn't sure. I wrote that he was the MVP, but changed my mind after he slumped in the final month. However, given how he raised his game so much in June, he has to be considered the gold standard until further notice. Legler: Wade is one of the top five players in the game, but it is difficult to declare him the greatest. He is, however, the best pure scorer in the league right now. He still needs to work on his defensive impact and consistency. O'Brien: He is right up there with Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, who would also have won the championship if they were surrounded by the rest of the Heat. Physically, Kobe is the best of the bunch, but Wade brings a mental and physical combination that might give him the edge. Shanoff: Yes. If you factor in a complete combination of skills, "clutch," likability and -- now -- winning, no player in the NBA is greater right now. He has the ring LeBron doesn't have; the likability Kobe doesn't have; the "clutch" Dirk doesn't have; and the more all-around skills Nash doesn't have. Sheridan: No. Kobe Bryant is, if you want to base it on pure talent. If I want one player taking the last shot for a title, it's Kobe. Furthermore, if I had to pick one player from the draft class of '03 to build a team around, I'd take LeBron because of his size, shooting and ballhandling superiority. That's not to denigrate Wade, but he's not the best. Not yet, anyway. But he is close. Shouler: As the flavor of the month in a league where the title "best player" seems to change almost weekly, Wade currently deserves the honor because he just led his team to a title. But this is subject to change if LeBron James has a similar stellar series or Kobe Byrant approaches another 81-point game. Stein: Best player on the team that won it all. Well-liked by his teammates. Convinced Shaq to defer. Add it all up and it sounds like Wade has a case. And if games continue to be called this way, with limited defensive contact on the perimeter to favor the dynamic drivers, how can you argue otherwise?"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Chuck, you do realize that most of those guys you quoted are saying Wade has case, right?</div> Yeah, he has a case for being the best. But when I hear "DWade is NO DOUBT, the best in the league and he's better than Jordan" I get pissed because NBA fans keep changing their minds every 2 seconds.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck~Taylor:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, he has a case for being the best. But when I hear "DWade is NO DOUBT, the best in the league and he's better than Jordan" I get pissed because NBA fans keep changing their minds every 2 seconds.</div> I agree. But you were doing the same thing saying LeBron/Kobe is obviously better than Wade. I hope you agree that a case can be made for all three of them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree. But you were doing the same thing saying LeBron/Kobe is obviously better than Wade. I hope you agree that a case can be made for all three of them.</div> Oh I definitley agree that there is a case for all 3 of them. But when people say "DWade no doubt is the best in the league" that's bull. I love how we have 3 great players neck at neck with each other. It makes the NBA great. And for the first time in a long time, the NBA champioship is wide open and their are stars on great teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why does everyone want to be the next Jordan? Why can't they be Lebron James or Kobe Bryant or Dwayne Wade? Just let the players be themselves and stop trying to get someone to imitate Jordan, no one will be ever be Jordan. (someone might be better, but they won't be Jordan)</div> Very well said, people need to realize, Jordan is gone, he isnt coming back. No one will ever be like Jordan, Kobe will never be Jordan, LeBron will never be Jordan, Wade will never be Jordan, each are their own player, and people need to stop drawing these stupid comparisions. I mean really, how can you even say there is a best player in the NBA? Each player considered "the best" is in a completley different situation than the other, with different team mates, systems, coaches etc. you simply can't compare. Dwyane Wade just won his first title, can't we all just be happy for him? What was the need to bring up a "Kobe is still better" topic at a time like this? Kobe didnt win the championship, his name shouldnt even be mentioned right now. So go ahead, give Kobe his props, give LeBron his props, give Wade his props, all are fantastic basketballers, stop with these mornonic arguements about who is better, because they never lead anywhere.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">Very well said, people need to realize, Jordan is gone, he isnt coming back. No one will ever be like Jordan, Kobe will never be Jordan, LeBron will never be Jordan, Wade will never be Jordan, each are their own player, and people need to stop drawing these stupid comparisions. I mean really, how can you even say there is a best player in the NBA? Each player considered "the best" is in a completley different situation than the other, with different team mates, systems, coaches etc. you simply can't compare. Dwyane Wade just won his first title, can't we all just be happy for him? What was the need to bring up a "Kobe is still better" topic at a time like this? Kobe didnt win the championship, his name shouldnt even be mentioned right now. So go ahead, give Kobe his props, give LeBron his props, give Wade his props, all are fantastic basketballers, stop with these mornonic arguements about who is better, because they never lead anywhere.</div> Im gonna start the thread " D.A. won the title....... But Barry is better."
Give me a break, kobe is still the best in the league. If Kobe can outscored the whole Mav teams in 3 quarters, I don't see a reason why he can't do it in the Final against them. You give kobe or Lebron that Miami lineup, they will smoke the Mav like there is no tomorrow. Not to mention, this NBA Final, the Mavs are giving away 2 close games, thanks for Dirk's free throw and Howard's timeout, otherwise the Mavs should've won it. Then the ref was also on D-wade's bandwagon, everything just click for D-wade to dominate the Mavs.
Chuck, I think you have to be a little bit more patient with the media, especially when it's covering the NBA. I think we all knew that the MJ-Wade comparisons were inevitable€, and we were subject to them throughout the finals. But this is nothing new. Kobe saw it. Lebron will probably see it again. It's annoying, but it's the nature of the league. The NBA promotes the individual over the team and has always tried to pigeon-hole current players into living up to former legends to try and gain the casual fans. It's frustrating. I couldn't stand it when people were saying the same things about Kobe during the regular season. But at the end of the day you have to just ignore them and enjoy the player's game. Because if you get too caught up in it, you'll wind up unfairly downplaying Wade's performance (or at least end up looking like you are). Plus look at the quality of the people who have made these comparisons/statements. Greg Anthony is hardly what I consider a great commentator.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting michiganave17:</div><div class="quote_post">Im gonna start the thread " D.A. won the title....... But Barry is better."</div> OMG, I was thinking of doing the exact same thing, earlier today. Even using Derek Anderson. That's eerie.
Rock4life: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">First off, Kobe is a better defender</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">...But nobody can match Kobe Bryant headz up</div> Shapecity: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, a prime example of Kobe's defensive superiority was his shutdown of Michael Redd. >> Kobe Bryant is the better post defender and on the ball defender. </div> Nba Man: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a better defender than Wade for sure. I agree with you 100%</div> Alright, we've been hearing this come up a lot for the Laker fans; because even as weak a statment alone that happens to be as it suggests opinion-- it's still one of the only arguments you guys have in this situation. Until yall produce some documentation displaying how Kobe's individual efforts on defense affects the production and effectivness of the opposing team MORE than does Dwyane Wade's individual effort this point is will remain moot. You have no facts that say Kobe's a better defender, You have no facts that say he is a better passer, no facts saying he's a better rebounder, <font color=""Purple"">no facts saying he " has more personality",</font> even no facts that suggest he's more effective overall as a scorer, no facts that he's a better winner -------- and considering all this it's <u>hard to take seriously your arguments that he's even possibly the better player.</u> And what does the "best player in the league" do in that situation that Wade didn't satisfy for you Chuck and those hating on him? What else did he need to do in that situation in your mind?
Rock4life: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">First off, Kobe is a better defender</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">...But nobody can match Kobe Bryant headz up</div> Shapecity: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, a prime example of Kobe's defensive superiority was his shutdown of Michael Redd. >> Kobe Bryant is the better post defender and on the ball defender. </div> Nba Man: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a better defender than Wade for sure. I agree with you 100%</div> Alright, we've been hearing this come up a lot for the Laker fans; because even as weak a statment alone that happens to be as it suggests opinion-- it's still one of the only arguments you guys have in this situation. Until yall produce some documentation displaying how Kobe's individual efforts on defense affects the production and effectivness of the opposing team MORE than does Dwyane Wade's individual effort this point is will remain moot. You have no facts that say Kobe's a better defender, You have no facts that say he is a better passer, no facts saying he's a better rebounder, <font color=""Purple"">no facts saying he " has more personality",</font> even no facts that suggest he's more effective overall as a scorer, no facts that he's a better winner -------- and considering all this it's <u>hard to take seriously your arguments that he's even possibly the better player.</u> And what does the "best player in the league" do in that situation that Wade didn't satisfy for you Chuck and those hating on him? What else did he need to do in that situation in your mind?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Give me a break, kobe is still the best in the league. If Kobe can outscored the whole Mav teams in 3 quarters, I don't see a reason why he can't do it in the Final against them. You give kobe or Lebron that Miami lineup, they will smoke the Mav like there is no tomorrow. Not to mention, this NBA Final, the Mavs are giving away 2 close games, thanks for Dirk's free throw and Howard's timeout, otherwise the Mavs should've won it. Then the ref was also on D-wade's bandwagon, everything just click for D-wade to dominate the Mavs. </div> Sorry, but it's fans like you who make these stupid debates exist and inflamed in the first place. I hate the media for the whole "next Jordan" bullshit...leave the old guy alone and leave the new players alone. There will be players considered greater then Jordan sooner or later. Records are meant to be broken and in sports, legacies can often be overshadowed, pending on the media of course. Although it will take one hell of a special player to do so, it''ll prolly happen anyway, but there will have to be a lot of media ass-kissing along the way cause these new cats coming up will not get to breathe without Jordan's name flying around. Honestly, you can always compare supporting casts, eras, influences, etc, for everything, but the fact of the matter will remain that you can't really judge, and compare and contrast legendary players and just pick one that is in certainty "better" then the others.. How can we ever compare Jordan to Magic? How can we prove that Jordan would have been the same player had he been drafted by the Lakers and Magic wasn't on the Lakers? All good players, all leaders, are all different. And in a sport such as basketball, there are so many intangible factors that it's honestly impossible to determine who's better in a close-knit arguement. And I think people forget the number one thing in these debates is that, no matter what, not everyone will ever agree on everything cause there will ALWAYS be bias and there will always be refusal of acknowledging certain aspects, not to mention flat out ignorance.
Chuck Taylor: #84 <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's some opinions from REAL ESPN EXPERTS. </div> haha.. thats classy- see how he outlined all the Kobe references, yet didnt on the Wade's
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Aren't you the same dude who said the Rockets would win the title this year, and were better than Dallas, Detroit, Miami, etc HANDS DOWN? There goes your credibility. While you are Just stubbornly saying "Kobe is better hands down" Durvasa is using stats and commom sense to support his arguments.</div> U might wanna re-read my posts, because I see you obviously haven't. http://http://www.justbball.com/forums/sho...ead.php?t=43378 I actually picked Miami to win it, and even made a thread about it in the preseason. Make sure you do ur homework before you make a inaccurate statement.
Wade is the best player in the NBA until proven otherwise ---- 5 pages of this mess and yall havent even mildly suggested why he isnt or who is
