Reported on Houstonwww.draftexpress.com Portland is at it again it says they are discussing something right now that could go down. Rejected Proposal from Portland was To Houston Darius Miles #30 #31 To Portland Juwan Howard #8 Trade REJECTED by Houston Houston now wants the #4 pick to move up and supposedly they have a player in mind. Supposedly upon hearing these rumors Tyrus Thomas flew in right away and Brandon Roy is on the way in. Personally i would love this trade.Look at the statistics. http://danrosenbaum.blogspot.com/2005/08/d...o-adjusted.html that says that Miles is top 3 small forward in helping team win. What do you guys think about it?
The adjusted +/- stat is based on data from the 03-05 seasons, and it's pertaining to impact on the defensive end, not overall. Darius Miles is a very inefficient scorer (turnover-prone, lack of a stead perimeter shot, very poor free throw shoter) and so you can't really expect him to help the offense that much. Also, Miles was a bit of a headcase in Portland, and it's well known that he's not a particularly motivated or hard-working player. That could translate into a poor effort on the defensive end as well (as was the case for him last season with Portland). Howard is useless enough and his contract is bad enough to where I'd trade him for Miles just to move up to the fourth pick. But Miles isn't a player I'd be too enthusiastic about.
Miles is pretty much a player who can excel if he applied himself, but rarely finds the motivation. When focused, he could be a Lamar Odom-like player, but I just don't see him fitting in on the Rockets. He doesn't have much of an outside shot and depends on the ball to be effective on the offensive end. His length makes him an intriguing defender, but what we lack is an outside shooter to start games and Miles isn't the answer. If the trade is our pick plus Howard for Miles and the fourth pick, I'll still go for it in a heartbeat but the 30th and 31th are pretty useless. Good choice by the Rockets to reject the proposal.
Yeah he doesn't really fit in but if we can get the #4 pick and JVG is confident in our pf situation after the trade then i am all for it. I feel maybe winning can motivate miles like it did for odom in miami. This guy has never even got the sniff of a possibility of a championship never been to the playoffs will the prospects of finally being able to get there motivate him like it did for Odom and Mcgrady kind of. If he does come he needs to learn to guard pfs and or learn to be a lockdown sf/sg defender. Hes shown a more consistent 18ft jump shot but its definetly still not great but i still see this trade helping us in that we get rid of a longer richer contracts in juwans and get a young guy who can eventually progress. They want Juwan because of his character.
Thank you. Rockets would get a 3 useless players at 30,31,32 because this draft is only about 25 deep and the max. If the deal was: Portland gets: howard #8 pick #32 pick Houston gets: Miles #4 Then Id re think it
^^ i like that trade. moving for spots up can get us a player from carney to bradn roy/morrison which is good. i like that trade!
I would still take Rudy Gay. With Miles behavior, I'd make an example out of him and set him straight. Lets assume we get steve novak or pJ tucker lineup would be: pg: alston/vspan/sura sg: tmac/ head/(PJ tucker) sf: rudy gay/ Darius Miles/ rybo PF: stromile/ chuck hayes/ (steve novak) C: yao/ deke
Why get gay when we already got miles in this senario. Gay and Miles are similar interms of body and athletisim and ability except that rudy gay can shoot better but darius can handle better and both have intensity problems so why get the other when you already have one. Plus i believe the prospects of reaching the playoffs will motivate miles like it did for odom and mcgrady. I believe he will be the main steal in that piece. In the case we do get the #4 pick we should look into Bargnani/Roy those two could help our roster immediately. When you have a guy like Bargnani who many claim to be much more talented then nowitzki physically interms of strength quickness foot speed and explosion you have something special if thats true or not nobody knows but i do know he can contribute right away with his outside shot. Like JVG said you draft offence and you teach defence.
In the offseason tradfe thread I said we should trade either Howars or Swift for Miles. First Rafer, Then Miami winning it in 6. Hmmm. Ronnie Brewer. -------------- Hey. Should we try to get Larry Brown as our Head Coach, and keep JVG as our ass-coach. I am not sure Larry would settle for ass-coach, but if he did, than I am all for it.
Like it's already been said if we can dump Howards contract for the #4 pick I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Obcourse I'd take Miles. Everybody has problems in Portland lol. He played well before getting hurt last year. It is a risk, but he fills too many needs. He's athletic, long, and most importantly plays SF. That mean we'll have a quality back up for Tmac. I've come to the conclusion that you have to put as many athletes around Yao as you can find. Athletes help Yao's game because he doesn't have to waste too much energy. Plus, Darius and Stro runnin the court would be CRAZY. I wish we could get Randolph in the deal too.
^^^Randolph is incredibly underrated imo, Portland might be stupid.........but they ain't that stupid.
http://blazers.blogs.oregonlive.com/ <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Oregonian reports that the Rockets and Blazers are talking about swapping first-round picks in the upcoming draft. <font color=""Blue"">The Rockets reportedly got a visit from Tyrus Thomas and are in discussions for swapping their picks (#4 for #8), but the exact details are still unknown. Further confirming the fact that Houston is serious about trading up is the fact that the Rockets will bring in Brandon Roy on Saturday as well. The Blazers are said to be asking the Rockets to take on the contract of Darius Miles in return for Juwan Howard.</font></div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">^^^Randolph is incredibly underrated imo, Portland might be stupid.........but they ain't that stupid.</div> Underrated? Z-Bo has a max contract and averaged Boozer numbers last season. Caused trouble all season long and no team wants him. We can't make do with three max players on the team. And Rock, filling Yao with athletes helps his game? Swift helped? C'mon, Howard with his range was able to help much more than Swift ever could.
No no no we do need great athletes around Yao. We just can't have lazy athletes who don't care. Range helps but thats not the only thing that can help yao out. I would take someone who is less of an athlete then swift but has a lot more heart then him. We need someone with heart that can shoot at pf. He can't be like howard athletically because howard can never match up with the duncans and the garnetts. Swift if he finds some heart to work this summer could be it but that is heavily in doubt. If we do move up and trade away howard i would like us to draft Andrea Bargnani or though he is just an overhyped version of Ronnie Brewer. Drafting Bargnani helps us in that he has range out to the three. Great foot speed/quickness. Pretty good timing to block. Only thing is he needs to get stronger. He could bulk 15-20 pounds this summer and come in instantly and help us. Has raw back to basket game that is developing. Jump Shot and driving ability is unquestioned his best assets on offence. One more thing he also plays with heart and intensity and thats the reason why he is starting in the senior league so fast unlike others in the past aka Skita and Lampe. The other is Brandon Roy because he can play decent defence while putting up decent numbers in the offence. Erased doubts about size and explosiveness. Has decent jump shot with good ball handling abilities basically all of what we need a the two. Ronnie Brewer also provides all of that but has an arm that concerns many about getting his shot off in the pros. If we draft him why would he his shots would be all open. If we draft a pf in the first round we could draft a SG in the second round in the name of Denham Brown. Overshadowed by 5 other NBAers in his days as a UCONN always over shadoewed. He is a solid 6'5" good athletic abilities but not great. Great shooter and defender. Poor ballhandler though but a hardworker so that can improve.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Underrated? Z-Bo has a max contract and averaged Boozer numbers last season. Caused trouble all season long and no team wants him. We can't make do with three max players on the team. And Rock, filling Yao with athletes helps his game? Swift helped? C'mon, Howard with his range was able to help much more than Swift ever could.</div> Howard was a solid a contributor and I'd like to keep him. But we need ATHLETES around Yao. We need players who can run the fast break & finish at the rim. That's why I don't see the hate for Stro, Van Gundy used him as a half court option. Maybe that'll change this year. But we NEED athletes. Athletes with midrange game, that's why Zalph Randolph would be perfect for us. You seem so quick to give up on players who haven't had a chance to reach their potential. But look at Miami. Look at how many players they took a chance on.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">But we NEED athletes. Athletes with midrange game, that's why Zalph Randolph would be perfect for us. You seem so quick to give up on players who haven't had a chance to reach their potential. But look at Miami. Look at how many players they took a chance on.</div> You can't have Randolph as your third "star" with his contract.
The Heat were able to take inproven comodities not risks. Walker was proven in Boston. Williams was proven in Memphis and Sacremento. Posey was proven in Houston and Memphis. Shaq was proven in LA? Were those really risks?? They were already putting up numbers in the nba. Now reporters are already calling Swift a bust for us. If that and making the playoffs and contending motivates him we could still have something here. Prospects of that happening is not high though especially when he was at memphis making the playoffs didn't really effect him. Hopefully T-Mac is lighting a fire on his ass right now because he is making him look bad but once saying T-Mac himself was going to make Stromile an All Star. Zach Randolph is not an athlete. He has conditioning problems no explosiveness quickness agility. He has strength and can muscle down rebounds but is not a good defender. Calling Zach Randolph and athlete is like saying Yao Ming runs faster than Justin Gatlin. I do agree we need an athlete with range beside yao ming though and i believe we can find the perfect guy with the #4 but will we draft him no body knows. Plus PFs are harder to find then a 6'6" SG
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">The Heat were able to take inproven comodities not risks. Walker was proven in Boston. Williams was proven in Memphis and Sacremento. Posey was proven in Houston and Memphis. Shaq was proven in LA? Were those really risks?? They were already putting up numbers in the nba. Now reporters are already calling Swift a bust for us. If that and making the playoffs and contending motivates him we could still have something here. Prospects of that happening is not high though especially when he was at memphis making the playoffs didn't really effect him. Hopefully T-Mac is lighting a fire on his ass right now because he is making him look bad but once saying T-Mac himself was going to make Stromile an All Star. Zach Randolph is not an athlete. He has conditioning problems no explosiveness quickness agility. He has strength and can muscle down rebounds but is not a good defender. Calling Zach Randolph and athlete is like saying Yao Ming runs faster than Justin Gatlin. I do agree we need an athlete with range beside yao ming though and i believe we can find the perfect guy with the #4 but will we draft him no body knows. Plus PFs are harder to find then a 6'6" SG</div> Check the critics before the season and the fans of Miami. Everybody criticized Riley for getting a trigger happy Walker (who was boo'd in Miami earlier), a turnover prone JWill, a injury prone Posey, a aging Gary Payton, and most of all a washed up Alonzo Mourning. Look at where the went, got figure Ppl can label Stro what they want, but we need a new offense to get him more opportunities. Just like Riley stuck with Walker after being boo'd, we need to stick with Stro. Randolph would be perfect for us, but he was just a thought, I know it's a longshot.
Randolph can't play defence he is not for us. Stro still has a shot but still a long shot. Difference these players from Pat Riley have produced pretty good in nba the ones that we could possibiliy get probably haven't. Darius Miles has JR smith has but can we really get him?
