according to doug smith his money is on garbosa, anthony parker and eddie house sporting raptor purple next year. that changes our depth charts. ford (pg) mo. pete (sg) anthony parker (sf) bosh (pf) rasho © eddie house (sixth man) garbosa (next up) caledron (you're up) bargnani (bring it!!!) joey g (prove u belong) btw, our bench might be the worse in the league from the looks of it, looks like bosh and company need to log some heavy minutes as starters.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Who knows though, maybe Humphries or Rasho will surprise us and score 14-18 ppg.</div> I think Anthony Parker and even Mo Pete are much higher in the 2nd option rankings than those 2 lol.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post">so we get Harrington or Bonzi to play the 3...then we have Bargnani, Tucker, and Graham there? Plus Parker at times. When did all these guys turn into short term solutions? How are Harrington and Bonzi any different? Also both of them would demand more money and more years on the contracts. </div> Bargnani is not ready to start. Graham isn't a solution and neither is Tucker (at least not yet). Parker will probably be starting the season at SF. He's decent but we still don't know how he will play in the NBA. Harrington and Bonzi can come in and make a difference immediately. All I'm saying is I'd rather we signed Harrington or even Bonzi then Parker and Garbajosa. I'm not a huge Bonzi fan (I also think he was playing for a contract). But even if we were to discount the playoffs, he's still a good low post scorer, defender and rebounder. Also, I never said Tucker, Bargnani or Graham were short term solutions. Parker and Garbajosa are who I mentioned. These guys are 31 and 28 respectively. They will only be productive for another couple of seasons. After that, then what? I want us to build a solid foundation and Harrington could've filled that role. Ford Peterson Harrington Bosh Nesterovic That's a team that can contend for the playoffs, right? As of right now, I don't think we have a playoff team. I expected that at the least coming into this offseason.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post"> Ford Peterson Harrington Bosh Nesterovic That's a team that can contend for the playoffs, right? As of right now, I don't think we have a playoff team. I expected that at the least coming into this offseason.</div> I couldn't agree more. I love Harrington's all-around game and I wished the Raps pursued him. I think it would've turned this team into an automatic playoff contender.
adding harrington/bonzi definitely make the starting 5 look better but again..you can't have no bench and still expect playoffs think about it...a lot of toronto's wins come from charlotte and atlanta last year... now compare THEIR roster a year before vs now and then look at toronto's they probably have more chance (not saying the will make playoffs) than toronto does, as the rest of the eastern conference improved significantly this offseason while toronto is stuck with questionable moves
i really dont think adding harrington automatically makes us a playoff team. what has he ever done? he's put up decent numbers on the nba's worst team...im not sold on harrington, especially considering his attitude has always been in question. he could throw a wrench into our chemistry, which is already teetering on the brink of destruction since half our roster barely speaks proper english lol (i know thats an exageration, but im feeling pessimistic right now) am i the only one who's not sold on these euro guys, and thinks our team looks like its headed for another lottery year? i tried so hard to be optimistic before, because i thought colangelo was going to make a splash move and bring in an established 2nd scoring option, but all he's done is given a ton of money to guys who have proved NOTHING in the NBA. im really scared. i hope these guys can do what everyone is saying they will
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">adding harrington/bonzi definitely make the starting 5 look better but again..you can't have no bench and still expect playoffs </div> Well, we still have no bench right now. So either way, we're not going to have a good bench. Here's where we're likely at right now: Ford/Calderon Peterson/House? Parker/Graham/Tucker Bosh/Bargnani/Garbajosa Nesterovic/Humphries Now, if we went after Harrington, we would still be likely to get either Garbajosa or Parker (I prefer Parker). Ford/Calderon Peterson/Parker Harrington/Graham/Tucker Bosh/Humphries Nesterovic/Bargnani If I were to choose between the two, I'd definitely pick the latter. It's basically between having a good starting lineup (playoff contender) and a below-average bench or a below-average starting lineup (non-playoff contender and an ok bench). With the second team, the bench won't likely get a whole lot of minutes anyways with Ford, Peterson, Harrington and Bosh playing heavy minutes like they always do. Anyways, that's all speculation. Who knows if Harrington wanted to come to Toronto anyways. But I do think that if Colangelo really went after Harrington, there would be a good chance that we would be able to sign him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">i really dont think adding harrington automatically makes us a playoff team. what has he ever done? he's put up decent numbers on the nba's worst team...im not sold on harrington, especially considering his attitude has always been in question. he could throw a wrench into our chemistry, which is already teetering on the brink of destruction since half our roster barely speaks proper english lol (i know thats an exageration, but im feeling pessimistic right now)</div> You can say the same thing about Bosh. Just because Harrington played on a bad team doesn't mean you should automatically discount the numbers he's put up. If you look at the increased minutes he's received the last two seasons, they're consistent with the kind of numbers he put up with the Pacers. You can't say that Joe Johnson isn't a good player just because he plays on the Hawks. Likewise, Jason Terry was labelled a ball hog and many people discounted his stats saying he was on a bad team but look what he's doing now on the Mavericks. Harrington and Bonzi aren't my favourite players either but they are the best options left on the free agent market right now. Having either one of those two is a much better alternative than what we're left with now in my opinion. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post"> am i the only one who's not sold on these euro guys, and thinks our team looks like its headed for another lottery year? i tried so hard to be optimistic before, because i thought colangelo was going to make a splash move and bring in an established 2nd scoring option, but all he's done is given a ton of money to guys who have proved NOTHING in the NBA. im really scared. i hope these guys can do what everyone is saying they will</div> You're not the only one. The one thing that remained constant last year was scoring and that is even a question mark now. There are just so many question marks right now on the team. We are putting all our chips on Bargnani, Garbajosa and Parker whom have yet to prove that they can play in the NBA. With all that cap space and the number one draft pick I would have thought we would be in a better position to contend right now. It looks like we're headed for another season in the lottery.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">i really dont think adding harrington automatically makes us a playoff team. what has he ever done? he's put up decent numbers on the nba's worst team...im not sold on harrington, especially considering his attitude has always been in question. he could throw a wrench into our chemistry, which is already teetering on the brink of destruction since half our roster barely speaks proper english lol (i know thats an exageration, but im feeling pessimistic right now) am i the only one who's not sold on these euro guys, and thinks our team looks like its headed for another lottery year? i tried so hard to be optimistic before, because i thought colangelo was going to make a splash move and bring in an established 2nd scoring option, but all he's done is given a ton of money to guys who have proved NOTHING in the NBA. im really scared. i hope these guys can do what everyone is saying they will</div> ...And not to mention Harrington's years in Indiana during their 'glory years'. I like Harrington because he's slasher and the Raps don't have a proper one in Graham yet. I hope we don't sign that Jorge guy if we don't have to. I think Parker would be an awesome pick-up and I wonder Colangelo is thinking about adding House because we lost the fan fave Red Rocket- I hear House is a fan fave down @ Phoenix. I still don't think we should go after House if we don't need to. We need guys that will actually contribute for us...
LOL you guys are so pessimistic it is funny. You actually think one player is gonna change everything?!?! If OUR raps are so bad like you make it out, then Harrington, Bonzi, whoever isn't gonna help us. Last year we had a solid starting 5 and no bench and look where that got us. The #1 pick. Harrington would want at least 10 million a year for at least 5 years....dont agree? Chris Wilcox is asking for almost that kinda of money and he hasn't done anything compared to Harrington. If you were all GM we'd be back to the Grunwald days where we'd be happy at just making the playoffs but not having a team that could contend. 'Clipse' You say that we should be contending for a title, but you want it all in one year just b/c we have some cap space and the #1!!! Do you think Phoenix just all of a sudden got good in one year....it is a process and you don't just snap your fingers. So what if we aren't a playoff team yet, this team is much more solid and well rounded now than if we went out and signed Harrington or Bonzi. Would Parker sign here knowing that there were significantly less minutes? Doubt it, there goes another part of your bench. I hope you all remember during the season that you said our team was gonna be crap and you didn't like Colangelo's moves. Cuz I think that they've all be positive and I don't want one of those big dollar players...that isn't the answer with our team. You say we NEED something....hasn't just about everyone bitched about Babcock taking Hoffa cuz we NEEDED a center. You all said that it was awesome we got Colangelo, then bitch and don't trust him or his moves eye for talent etc. Talk about fair weather fans. DJ ~ 3-4 mil over 3 years isn't a ton of money, it's quite cheap, and if you aren't sold on the Euros, is there a reason aside from language? Have you seen them? Do you think that our new asst GM doesn't know anything about them? I could spew out a lot of names that have made it from Euro, and I know already you'd throw a darko or tsviddikilaut (who can spell that name!) back at me so i won't bother. People loved Calderon last year and I think he showed that he was able to hold his own, why not these guys?
The funniest thing about Colangelo signing all these European players has been watching experts, analysts, and casual fans struggle to critique his moves, while lacking any real knowledge. Nobody has any idea how this approach will turn out, because no GM has built his team up like this before. People who say things like "bringing in this many Euros is risky" or "Colangelo's wasting his money" are really just talking for the sake of talking. There are only a limited number of people who can assess Colangelo's moves properly and I doubt any of them are in this forum. We just have wait until the season starts and, for once, stop playing the "I wanna be GM" game
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">The funniest thing about Colangelo signing all these European players has been watching experts, analysts, and casual fans struggle to critique his moves, while lacking any real knowledge. Nobody has any idea how this approach will turn out, because no GM has built his team up like this before. People who say things like "bringing in this many Euros is risky" or "Colangelo's wasting his money" are really just talking for the sake of talking. There are only a limited number of people who can assess Colangelo's moves properly and I doubt any of them are in this forum. We just have wait until the season starts and, for once, stop playing the "I wanna be GM" game</div> AMEN!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spyware:</div><div class="quote_post"> I like Harrington because he's slasher and the Raps don't have a proper one in Graham yet. I hope we don't sign that Jorge guy if we don't have to.</div> Parker would fill some of the gap James will leave. A slasher who can play both backcourt positions, Parker, 31, has had a brilliant career in Europe http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...rts/Basketball/ Maurizio Gherardini, Toronto's vice-president and assistant general manager and the former GM of Benetton Treviso in Italy, has watched the progress of both Parker and Garbajosa closely over the past several years. In fact, Garbajosa won the Euroleague championship in 2002 and 2003 while playing for Gherardini at Benetton. Gherardini said he has no doubt both players will have an impact in the NBA
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">You can say the same thing about Bosh. Just because Harrington played on a bad team doesn't mean you should automatically discount the numbers he's put up. If you look at the increased minutes he's received the last two seasons, they're consistent with the kind of numbers he put up with the Pacers. </div> at least bosh was good enough to be an all-star...and in only his 3rd season. harrington has had his own team for that long and hasnt even been good enough to be an all-star, in the EAST! i realize JJ and JT are good players...all im saying is that decent numbers, on the leagues worst team CAN be decieving...course it might not be the case here, but when attitude is in question, taking a chance on a player might not be the best idea <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Harrington and Bonzi aren't my favourite players either but they are the best options left on the free agent market right now. Having either one of those two is a much better alternative than what we're left with now in my opinion. </div> and that kind of seems like you're looking for the short term solution, rather then the big picture. i want our gm to look down the road a bit...and not just whats available right now. next year's free agent crop is pretty decent...maybe colangelo is setting himself up to make a run at another player next year <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> It looks like we're headed for another season in the lottery.</div> damnit...i was hoping you'd show me the bright side of the picture lol <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post"> DJ ~ 3-4 mil over 3 years isn't a ton of money, it's quite cheap, and if you aren't sold on the Euros, is there a reason aside from language? Have you seen them? Do you think that our new asst GM doesn't know anything about them? I could spew out a lot of names that have made it from Euro, and I know already you'd throw a darko or tsviddikilaut (who can spell that name!) back at me so i won't bother. People loved Calderon last year and I think he showed that he was able to hold his own, why not these guys?</div> but it looks like we've given both gharbosa and parker 12 mill each...thats 24 mill...just seems like entirely too much money for players that have yet to prove ANYTHING in the nba. couldnt we have gotten them for cheaper? or maybe put that money to use on someone a little more proven? lets be frank here...scouting isnt an exact science, and the possibility of these guys not working out is there. sure calderon showed us something...at the same time, he didnt BLOW ME AWAY...he's nothing special...we need someone special on this team right now to help bosh... you're right...i am being pessimistic...i WAS the biggest optimist in here...mostly because after the charlie trade, i thought babcock...i mean colangelo was going to make a splash move that would impact the team right away. all he's really done is take a bunch of chances. i hope at least one of them pans out. id LOVE to eat my own words later in the season. nothing would make me happier. im just worried at this point
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Anthony Parker and even Mo Pete are much higher in the 2nd option rankings than those 2 lol.</div> Was a joke <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">at least bosh was good enough to be an all-star...and in only his 3rd season. harrington has had his own team for that long and hasnt even been good enough to be an all-star, in the EAST!</div> Well that's why he's not getting max money.
people may laugh now but i'm so enamored by parkers game that i think he might be a first option late in games by the end of the season. in no way am i suggesting parker is better player than bosh, no, that would be absurd. nevertheless, parker to me has "closer" ability just like cassel had with the twolves when he played alongside kg.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">people may laugh now but i'm so enamored by parkers game that i think he might be a first option late in games by the end of the season. in no way am i suggesting parker is better player than bosh, no, that would be absurd. nevertheless, parker to me has "closer" ability just like cassel had with the twolves when he played alongside kg.</div> parker isn't that good stop dreaming he will be close to a 18-20 ppg guy in alien's good old days with timberwolves... think about it...he is HUMAN alien > human
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">parker isn't that good stop dreaming he will be close to a 18-20 ppg guy in alien's good old days with timberwolves... think about it...he is HUMAN alien > human</div> dude the euroleague is not a ymca league; he plays against legit pros. in this league of pros his been the mvp twice and in that same period propelled his team to a euroleague championship. when carmelo did the same thing against 19 year old's living out of their parents basement we knew he was ready for stardom but when parker does it against professionals he's a scrub.
