Hawks & Rockets involved in draft day trade..........

Aldridge is more athletic so i mean it could be possible. I see toronto doing some damage in the playoffs soon.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Luther Head is Salim Stoudamire with a less consistent jumpshot.

As for Roy, I haven't watched him enough to form an opinion but if we could get Shelden Williams, why not keep him? He's my pick. Also, if Atlanta really wants Williams that bad, they'd draft him with the four.</div>
We have 4pfs and virtually no real SG or SF.......Why in the hell would you draft another PF. Last time I checked we were the Rockets, not the New York Knicks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">We have 4pfs and virtually no real SG or SF.......Why in the hell would you draft another PF. Last time I checked we were the Rockets, not the New York Knicks. </div>
Because this PF here will likely start over our "four" PFs possibly on the season opener. Getting Williams will give us the flexibility to dump Swift or Howard's contract without any concern for lack of depth at the spot.

Also, since when have we had four PF's? I count three: Howard, Swift and Hayes. Lampe's not coming back.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Because this PF here will likely start over our "four" PFs possibly on the season opener. Getting Williams will give us the flexibility to dump Swift or Howard's contract without any concern for lack of depth at the spot.

Also, since when have we had four PF's? I count three: Howard, Swift and Hayes. Lampe's not coming back.</div>


What if we cant find a trading partner for Howard and Swift?? Then your stacked with worthless talent.

 

Man after watching a highlight film of Rudy Gay his size and quickness really impressed me....my only concern is that they say his weakness is ball handling, and to be a good scorer on the next level you have to be able to create your own shot

 

We don't have four PFs? We have Swift and Howard and Hayes and Howard is on the market now and thats why people are calling for him.

 

The most we can get for Howard is a young player that was a bust and we take a risk on him or next years first rounder which I would take in a heart beat because not only do we unload Howards contract giving us some cap space for this season, but next years draft is strong.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Because this PF here will likely start over our "four" PFs possibly on the season opener. Getting Williams will give us the flexibility to dump Swift or Howard's contract without any concern for lack of depth at the spot.

Also, since when have we had four PF's? I count three: Howard, Swift and Hayes. Lampe's not coming back.</div>
Getting Williams is too much of a risk. Our biggest weakness is SG/SF. We virtually have NOBODY that can play along side Tmac. With an over abundance of SG & SF's in this draft, it would be SUICIDE if we didn't play it safe and draft a combo guard. I have no idea for your reasoning

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">What if we cant find a trading partner for Howard and Swift?? Then your stacked with worthless talent.</div>
Exactly, and we'll be stuck like the New York Knicks and that's the WORST possible scenario

 

Portland wants howard because he has good character and can help some of their kids out of trouble. They want to unload miles and get howard because howard may be able to pull together the team with his character. Now there still might be a trade of those two even without the picks but will houston bite?

 

Houston/Portland trade is dead because Portland doesn't want to part with its #4 which they will pick Brandon Roy. If Roy is everything Roy-bandwagoners say he is, then why isn't he consensus #1.

 

if we're offering the 8th and head for the 5th why not do something like

portland trades
Darius Miles
4th
receives
Juwan howard
5th

Atlanta trades
5th
receives
luther head
8th

houston trades
Juwan howard
luther head
8th
receives
Darius Miles
4th

 

Yah thats good proposal but some people say that we don't want any part in Darius Miles

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">What if we cant find a trading partner for Howard and Swift?? Then your stacked with worthless talent.</div>
What if the wingman we get with the 8th doesn't pan out? Then we're stuck with one less roster spot and potentially miss out on a power forward who becomes a solid role player for the next ten seasons. Thing is, whatever we do tomorrow, we most likely won't know the positive and negative of until this time next summer.

 

lol exactly so when you do the same hypothetical situations for swingmen, you can do the same for Shelden Williams. There is a chance he won't translate to the NBA level either.

 

The point is we should be picking on who we think will pan out and not on need. To be perfectly honest it takes some people 2-3 years to adjust to the league and it takes some one year so you can't call someone a bust right after a year.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">The point is we should be picking on who we think will pan out and not on need. To be perfectly honest it takes some people 2-3 years to adjust to the league and it takes some one year so you can't call someone a bust right after a year.</div>
Disagree.......We have serious needs at the SG-SF. Tmac needs a back up, and we don't have a legit shooting guard. We need to get younger and faster, which is why drafting a wing player is essential.

 

Yah and most likely with a mid lottery pick the best guy we get is a guy who is athletic but we also need a pf pretty mad if we want to be a contender. Our Pfs are getting dominated a there are four PFs in the draft who can come in and contain these big time powerforwards to a certain extent. We could get that. But if a guy that can also dominate the wings come in we could also draft that person. But whatever is availiable you pick the best avaliable player. For two reasons you get the most value out of your pick so you can trade him away for a guy you want, Talented wings come along every draft and are always on the market but PFs who can contain the Duncans, Gasols, Nowitzkis and Garnett are usually not avalialbe from where we usually pick. From where we usually pick there is still talented wings avaliable but very few talented bigman. I mean Aldridge can defend. Tyrus can Defend. Sheldon can Defend. Bargnani can defend after he puts weight on since he has great instincts. Look at the trade market right now there are lots of wings avaliable do you see lots of PFS with range who can defend? Wings avaliable right now Carlos Delfino and JR Smith the most notable. Both guys we can trade for both shooters both has the potential to defend both 6'6."

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Yah and most likely with a mid lottery pick the best guy we get is a guy who is athletic but we also need a pf pretty mad if we want to be a contender. Our Pfs are getting dominated a there are four PFs in the draft who can come in and contain these big time powerforwards to a certain extent. We could get that. But if a guy that can also dominate the wings come in we could also draft that person. But whatever is availiable you pick the best avaliable player. For two reasons you get the most value out of your pick so you can trade him away for a guy you want, Talented wings come along every draft and are always on the market but PFs who can contain the Duncans, Gasols, Nowitzkis and Garnett are usually not avalialbe from where we usually pick. From where we usually pick there is still talented wings avaliable but very few talented bigman. I mean Aldridge can defend. Tyrus can Defend. Sheldon can Defend. Bargnani can defend after he puts weight on since he has great instincts. Look at the trade market right now there are lots of wings avaliable do you see lots of PFS with range who can defend? Wings avaliable right now Carlos Delfino and JR Smith the most notable. Both guys we can trade for both shooters both has the potential to defend both 6'6."</div>
Well ur still takin a risk. We're already stacked at PF, it's not our weakest position. Right now, we just need to get faster, quicker, and more athletic. If we can get a SF/PF like Tyrus Thomas then it'll be sweet. But we'll still be kinda thin at shooting guard. It just makes more sense to me to get a SG/SF and shop Howard or maybe Swift.

I cringe everytime experts on TV talk about a prospects and say "he's not very offensive minded, but he's a JVG type defender" lol. Enuff with the "JVG defenders", we need some offensive firepower. Defense is going to be there.

 

You see we are not going to get a pf like the one we can get at the position where we are picking in the trade market or the free agent market but we can get talented swingman do it all like guys a lot easier in the trade market because posts and point guards are more position of value. Yes we have Juwan Howard and Stromile Swift let me ask you do they look like championship team caliber type of PF? I don't think so. If we can get one of those in the draft that would be great because we ain't getting that in the trade or the free agent market. Will we be able to get a sg who scores and defends and is 6'6" and is quick in the trade market or the free agent market? Yes. Is Rudy Gay or Brandon Roy or Randy Foye or Ronnie Brewer a sure thing? Absolutely not it is still a risk taking them. Remember guys like Jerryl Sasser the sure fire guys that turned out busts? I am telling you its a lot more likely and possible to fill the sg/sf void with MLE or Trade Market. Heck we could even get one of those with a 28th pick next year since singman are a common commodity. I believe if we can trade for a Carlos Defino or JR Smith we have guys that can potentially fill the void at those positions pretty good eventually. Is it a risk yes but right now we are in no position to play it safe. We have no tradable assets. So we need to take risks and hope they turn out to be great assets for us. Do i feel these players can succed for us yes when they are given playing time and kept under control in shot selections and factors like that they have shown that they have the ability to play. We arn't the San Antoino Spurs who can play it safe with everything when they already have the assets they need to win a championship. We don't so we need to take risks to get them.

 

sorry guys, i dont think the trade is going to happen. http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...ly_to_trade_up/

I want them to trade but I dont think they will. I hope roy or gay fall but a long shot that they will. Its all up to the top 3 teams. Raptors arent unsure but most likely Andrea Bargnani and Charolette prolly has gay or morrison and thomas will go to chicago. But if roy does fall, he will fall to boston or minnesota because boston watns a guard. So I think we should trade, if we dont we're looking at either brewer, carney, or MAYBE aldrige.