New rumor - Mags & TJ for Charlie V and filler <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Although the Raptors already made a trade for Rasho Nesterovic, they're in the middle of numerous discussions because they seem to want to trade down to take Andrea Bargnani, whom they could get much lower. Plus, it would put additional pressure on Bargnani to be No. 1 and not be ready for the NBA. The Raptors are said to be willing to take on the Bucks' Magloire, who doesn't have a big market because he is going into his last season of his contract. He wants to return to his native Canada, so the Raptors could get a home-country discount. The Raptors are said to be willing to deal Villanueva because they can draft Bargnani, but supposedly are insisting on point guard Ford. There has also been the talk of swapping picks with Charlotte to give the Bobcats and Michael Jordan No. 1--which didn't work out well for Jordan in Washington in 2001--for Brevin Knight and then taking Bargnani at No. 3</div> full article as much as i love charlie, im all for this deal. we address out pg and c issue, AND keep our 1st overall pick. doesnt come much sweeter then that
...I dunno about this one, Magloire surely isnt gonna be used in a uptempo game. I wouldn't give up Charlie for him if we are building for the future.
What's up with everyones obsession with Magloire? He's good but not great. Ford has potential, but he was horrible last year after a good start. The Bucks were actually worse when Magloire was on the floor because he slowed down the pace. By trading for them two, the Bucks are dumping two players that they would love to get rid of for a player who dropped 48 on them.
who's obsessed? he's a legit center who avg'd 10 and 10 last year, without a single play being run for him, and sharing time in the middle. id say those are pretty good numbers considering...and last time i checked he's a whole lot better then any center we currently have...including rasho. a better question then "whats with the magloire obsession" would be "whats with the magloire hate bandwagon that seems to be goin around"? do i think he's the best center in the league? hell no...do i think he fits our needs? god yes...he can rebound and defend AND to top it all off, he's a hometown kid. for every reason that we would want rasho, or any other legit center, a case could be made for magloire do we need a legit center who can give us dbl digits in rebounds? hell yes...if we can get one that will also give us some offense...to the tune of 10-12 points...god...why not!?
honestly Charlie is an awesome player but i really think that Aldridge, Gay and Morrison are much better players than him. I guess i would make this trade.
If we had Magloire, Rasho's contract would be much more horrible than it is right now. Not necessarily against it, but both players had down years and the deal has the potential to mess up our cap situation.
I was gonna ask the same question as PAP....I don't get the obsession a lot of ppl in here have with getting Mags ... and yes it is an obsession b/c it constantly comes up. I'm not saying anyone in particular... At one point in time it made immense sense to want him here in TO as we had no center but I dont' see why we would want to do this now. If we have another big plodding center it pretty much ensures we would play a halfcourt style game as one of them would most likely be on the floor at once. Yes we could play small ball...but MOST LIKELY...that isn't the way I see Colangelo wanting to go. Rasho is cheaper than Magloire, and would essentially provide the same points and boards. He did it in Minny....he can do it again. I just don't see that many positives as negatives. We give up CV after one year...he could be a monster. It would be like trading a 1st round pick away for an expiring contract. The ONLY thing I can see that is similar is the way Dallas used Diop and Dampier....but I don't that'd fly in TO...we're not a deep enough team yet. Personally I see some biased coming in here....is from Toronto and wants to play here. But look at Starbury...or Larry Brown...or any number of guys who wanted to play in their home towns and ended up stinking it up for whatever reason...pressure, trying to hard, excess focus and criticisms.... For my own part...I wouldn't do this trade in a million years. CV will continue to create mismatches, Ford is one fall away from a wheelchair, Magloire is one year away from UFA..and if we really 'need' him that bad we can sign him as a free agent next year. WITHOUT GIVING UP ANYONE
I think this Magloire deal would be a desperation move. I'm not a big Magloire fan and what's worse is the deal involves CV31, who is part of the Raps future.
I don't like Magloire for us. His rebounding is nice, and he's a big body, but he's not very mobile, and he's not much of a shot blocker. Defensively he still won't give our perimeter guys the help they need, and yes he can guard the bigger guys, but so can Rasho. In addition to that, with Magloire, we're then paying about $16 million for two average to a little above average guys at C. Also we have a big enough fan base that having a hometown guy really does nothing for us, so who cares about that. Lastly, Magloire's contract expires after next season, and he's going to want a raise that I wouldn't be willing to give to him. It might be a situation where he's one year and gone, and we end up losing talent to get him. I liked Ford as a rookie. New Ford though is trying to be more of a scorer, and is turning the ball over more while not getting as many assists. He's dissapointed me a lot with his performance this season. He learnt to shoot, and suddenly he thought it was his job to be a scorer now.
I agree with Alba there.. lol.. I don't see why trade Charlie, since he could put up more than 10, 10 for us this season or soon. On top of that he barely had any plays ran for him throughout his rookie season. Rasho could be a decent center for us too.
It would make some sense before the Rasho trade but he's here now to do basically the same thing. He might now give you as much, but with decent minutes, he should be close to 10-10. If we were to play them both, we would end up paying 15 million for about 15-12 combined.
We dont need Magloire or TJ if the price tag is CV31. Magloire is to much a risk he leaves in FA, and Ford isnt anything special in my mind...i'd rather have a guy like Earl Watson or Ridnour
Why not just wait a year to sign Magloire in FA, he'd probably leave where ever he would be, and don't think Raps would have to give up anything. If it's a sign and trade, Raps wouldn't give up much anyways.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hustler:</div><div class="quote_post">Keep Charlie, please just keep him...</div> jessica alba has more basketball knowledge (and body) than the magloire supporters....awesome charlie is not amazing but i do think he is much better than magloire magloire reached his tops and he will at most be 12-8 which isn't exactly impressive for his aging body and unrestricted free agent status a year from now...especially that he is seeking long term (and expensive) contract 12-8 can be reached by a solid rookie (look at channing frye) and you don't really have to be huge and 7+ feet to do that anyways, the pick toronto should do if not trading it away should be either morrison (for the vocal leadership/competitiveness) or roy (i see him as the wade type of player...not wade...but wade type..which is good enough) for those that love bargnani think about it again...he is not worth #1 he might be good later, but NOT now why not tell the assistant GM toronto just hired to tell him to drop out of the draft and sign him as free agent that would be cheaper (see nocioni) and you get a #1 pick AND a potential player
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">jessica alba has more basketball knowledge (and body) than the magloire supporters....awesome </div> so because i like magloire, it means i have no bball knowledge? good one and what players in your infinite wisdom equate high basketball knowledge? nocioni and channing frye? i like iguodala and nash as well...does that help my case?
I'd give this a hell no. CV31 will become an absolute monster in this league. He's a mismatch just waiting to happen. We can't give this guy away after 1 year and then see him dominate for 2 under acheiving less than stellar players. Magloire is aging, he's big, slow and will demand a hefty contract after this year. He is a big body, and can board but what can't Rasho do? TJ Ford is quick, but still IS injury prone and wasn't playing good at all from mid to the end of the season. All in all, this trade makes abosolutely no sense, especiallly with Rasho on board.
the more i think about it, the more i DONT like charlie logging big minutes at the 3...i guess we can play small ball and bring in rasho as matchups dictate... hanging onto charlie isnt a bad move, dont get me wrong...but if the right deal comes along then im not opposed to moving him and getting a REAL sf. the more i look at this trade the less i like it afterall...but i still do like the idea of magloire being a raptor. i just dont see how people can be high on rasho, but then talk about magloire being slow
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">the more i think about it, the more i DONT like charlie logging big minutes at the 3...i guess we can play small ball and bring in rasho as matchups dictate... hanging onto charlie isnt a bad move, dont get me wrong...but if the right deal comes along then im not opposed to moving him and getting a REAL sf. the more i look at this trade the less i like it afterall...but i still do like the idea of magloire being a raptor. i just dont see how people can be high on rasho, but then talk about magloire being slow </div> magloire isn't bad just that he is too expensive and maybe too old since he demands long term contracts therefore that makes him unattractive despite being hometown boy nesterovic is already a done deal therefore nothing you can do about it magloire is just a speculation therefore people would be more critical nesterovic i think is avg at best and definitely overpaid magloire is better but cost for him would be way too high ($10+ million a year for 5 years is pretty likely) anyways...alba still has more basketball (cheerleader) and body than you and i am not high on nesterovic i am high for alba though
I say do it. Raps are killing two birds with one stone here. We solve our center and big-man depth need with Magloire, and we solve our pg needs with TJ Ford who has 15,5,10 potential. Both these guys suffered from the ridiculous depth of the Bucks, with Gadz, Smith and Bogut competing against Magloire and Bell and Mo competing against TJ. I really like this trade , as I don't trust Calderon being our pg. Plus, with CV gone, we are free to draft Morrison, Gay or even Bargnani at sf without worrying about a log-jam. I agree with DJ, I say do this.
