<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Where did you get this from? First of all, when Jordan won DPOY, Pippen was not even known for his defense yet, he was coming off the bench then, and Rodman wasn't even on the team.</div> Yeah, but eventually Pippen became better (as evidenced by the 1991 NBA finals).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but eventually Pippen became better (as evidenced by the 1991 NBA finals).</div>what does that have to do with Jordan winning it 3 years earlier??
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">what does that have to do with Jordan winning it 3 years earlier??</div> Thats because after the first game in the 91 nba finals, Phil Jackson switched Jordan from gaurding Magic Johnson, to letting the more taller long armed Pippen gaurding Magic, it was a key switch that helped the Bulls win their frst title.
*sighs* I meant to Jordan's DPOY award.. Jordan won the award 3 years before Pippen guarded Magic in the finals.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">*sighs* I meant to Jordan's DPOY award.. Jordan won the award 3 years before Pippen guarded Magic in the finals.</div> I knew what you meant, but also it was reffering to the earlier poster.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">what does that have to do with Jordan winning it 3 years earlier??</div> It was a reply to the other poster.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">It's difficult to accurately guage how good a player is using simply the events which are recorded in a box score. But that's not a knock on statistics. It's a knock on the amount of informaton which is collected in the course of the game. The more information that's collected, the more useful statistical analysis can be. For instance, using informaton in a Play by Play (still limited, but better than a simple box score), Dan Rosenbaum developed a technique for determined adjusted +/- defensive ratings. The technique requires a large sample of games to give useful results, so he collects information for players over the course of 3 seasons to predict how good defensively they might be in the upcoming season. By this method, he found Hassell to be a top 10 defensive player at the SG position. Again, the analysis can be made even more powerful with additional information. In theory, if every possible action that occured in the court was recorded in some manner and incorporated appropriately into some statistical model, and one had a large enough sample of games to where predictions could be made within a certain level of confidence, there'd literally be no need for scouting.</div> cool stuff, but ben gordon and marcus banks at number 2 respectively. and dirk at 10. these numbers are fishy to me. tyronn 2nd worse pg? most of the list seem correct, but rasho? James Jones? and most of the pg list are also supect. while raja bell and matt harpring are on the 10 worst. marcus banks bugs me the most. he is a bad defender. he gambles non stop. is this statistic like, who's team allows the least amount of points when the player is on the floor compared to when he is off. because if that is the fact, then this is very flawed.
if he won it because of his name he wouldve every dpoy for every year he was in the league stupid statement
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Catfisha:</div><div class="quote_post">if he won it because of his name he wouldve every dpoy for every year he was in the league stupid statement</div> Actually, he did make it to the defensive teams 1996-1998 when he had no business being on there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> is this statistic like, who's team allows the least amount of points when the player is on the floor compared to when he is off. because if that is the fact, then this is very flawed.</div> It's based on that idea, except it also tries to adjust for the who the player played with and against. That's why it's "adjusted".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BostonCeltics33:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, he did make it to the defensive teams 1996-1998 when he had no business being on there.</div> Is there an echo in here?
Someone who makes the game-winning steal in what should have been his last game, deserves to be on every defensive team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BostonCeltics33:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, he did make it to the defensive teams 1996-1998 when he had no business being on there.</div>
He deserves it. Jordan is a great 1 on 1 defender. Look at his stats. The steals prove it. Jordan was great at stealing the ball.
If you honestly believe that SPG determines solely how great a player is defensively, then you should have no say in this thread.
I'm not saying that. I just said he's good at stealing. Stats can't really prove how good a 1 on 1 defender is. And how many times has he stripped the ball from guards and just slam it home? And how many times has he stuffed big men from behind? He's the total defensive package.
