<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">He is similiar to Graham, but theirs nothing wrong with adding some defense. I don't understand how anybody can say it's a bad pick just because Colangelo didn't get Denham Brown. If Brown wasn't Canadian, Raptor fans wouldn't give a sh*t if he got picked by Toronto or not.</div> i never said about getting denham brown because i don't buy the "draft canadian" thing but i do believe you have to address your needs perimeter shooting/perimeter defence/PG/interior presence toronto didn't really do anything significant to address those so far tonight
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">i never said about getting denham brown because i don't buy the "draft canadian" thing but i do believe you have to address your needs perimeter shooting/perimeter defence/PG/interior presence toronto didn't really do anything significant to address those so far tonight</div> Well, Bargnani does add perimeter shooting, and Tucker brings decent perimeter defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Bargnani does add perimeter shooting, and Tucker brings decent perimeter defense.</div> notice i said "significant" that means significant upgrade think about it what is going to be bargnani's playing time with nesterovic/charlie/bosh and even graham eating up his possible positions (C/PF/SF)? and tucker being a tweener...when there are better choices for outside shooting (allen ray/pittsnogle) or perimeter defence (bobby jones) out there personally at this point i think pittsnoggle is better than bargnani tall guy that shoot 3s except that i think pittsnoggle is more tough minded than bargnani for now tricky word is "for now" i hope it doesn't become a statement if it does i am moving out of toronto
Think of it this way: if one of our major criticisms this draft is that we took Tucker over Denham Brown, we did fairly well. Seriously hohoyoyoyo, think about what you say. Pittsnogle? Honestly....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Think of it this way: if one of our major criticisms this draft is that we took Tucker over Denham Brown, we did fairly well. Seriously hohoyoyoyo, think about what you say. Pittsnogle? Honestly....</div> no i used outside shooting and pittsnogle as example my friend and i also mentioned allen ray use them as specialists kind of thing to address outside shooting needs anyways....bargnani is my major complaint still i was all for morrison and roy but that never happened not even close which upset me 2nd rounder doesn't mean as much to me although i wouldn't want another joey graham however 1st overall pick does
But Bargnani is in no way a specialist. Don't let the ESPN crew fool you, he's not exclusively around the 3 pt. line. The man has a great frame, is good off the dribble, and has the beginnings of a legit post game. Just think about how versatile our front court is right now. All three can put the ball on the floor. If we can just get each player to diversify a bit, it could be pretty special. Low post defense is still a glaring need though.
Well interesting draft... i think we all had way too much trade hype fed to us only to be disappointed. On the positive end of things: we took a 7 foot euro project #1 and the espn bone heads barely gave us any crap for it, which makes me think we should be at least a little bit patient on the Italian project. Pretty much everyone acknowledged he has offensive potential but in some cases voiced concern about his defense. Yes, Vitale said some stuff - but when it comes to being an evaluator of NBA draft talent Vitale sucks. After all this I think we're all wondering what the hell we are going to do for a point guard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">But Bargnani is in no way a specialist. Don't let the ESPN crew fool you, he's not exclusively around the 3 pt. line. The man has a great frame, is good off the dribble, and has the beginnings of a legit post game. Just think about how versatile our front court is right now. All three can put the ball on the floor. If we can just get each player to diversify a bit, it could be pretty special. Low post defense is still a glaring need though.</div> i never said bargnani have a zero chance being great he has potential and i repeatedly say i won't mind drafting him if toronto trades down but drafting #1 overall...pure potential is a huge huge risk he does block and have some flashes of inside game on the clips i watched however even he himself admits that he is new to the inside game i would rather have roy and morrison as #1 pick because they also have that allstar potential might not be out of the world potential like rudy gay, tyrus thomas (i think he will suck) or bargnani as advertised but still good potential anyways...draft is over i hope they sign undrafted people like pittsnoggle/washington jr/allen ray use them as specialists then you got yourself a very interesting bench
Edin Bavcic will be the next Ramon Van de Hare. Nah, I'm just kidding. I just wanted to bring that name back up.
Lol Ramon Van De Hare.. lol the Fan 590 guys were poking fun at Grunwald when he was on the Bob McCowan show. Lets wait and see before we kill off the front office and players. This just reminds me of last year's draft. Where everyone was pissed off at Charlie's pick and look how it turned out. Give the dude a chance before you rip them.
Woah some of you guys sound disapointed. I think Bargani will play well if you look at his stats he produced good numbers in very limited minutes in Europe. Go BARGANI!!
First of all, Joey Graham will not eat up any of Bargnani's minutes, the opposite is true. Secondly, who would you rather have? Aldridge... no way, WAY too soft and weak for a center. (you can call Bargnani soft...but he isnt a center so it makes no difference). Morrison looks like he just came from a concentration camp and will get dominated, if he doesn't put on like 20lbs. Tyrus Thomas...bust. Rudy Gay...if he's so good then why did he drop so far.
The reason why Gay dropped was because of the what he did in college. He didn't produce the big #s, a lot of teams question his work ethic as they did Charlie. Hell, Most teams questioned a lot of UConn's players work ethic. What the teams lack to consider was that Gay had to play in a system where 6 or 7 players were NBA bound, and had to play within it. But who knows, maybe it's not the talent they are worried about, maybe it's something else.
They knock Bargnani because he doesn't play defense, isn't big or physical, doesn't have a post game. Weren't those the same criticisms on Nowitzki when he came in the league? Nowitzki still doesn't play defense and doesn't have much of a post game but he certainly turned out alright, didn't he? I'm not comparing Bargnani to Nowitzki, but everyone is quick to point out the things he can't do without giving him a chance. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gotrunks226:</div><div class="quote_post">The reason why Gay dropped was because of the what he did in college. He didn't produce the big #s, a lot of teams question his work ethic as they did Charlie. Hell, Most teams questioned a lot of UConn's players work ethic. What the teams lack to consider was that Gay had to play in a system where 6 or 7 players were NBA bound, and had to play within it. But who knows, maybe it's not the talent they are worried about, maybe it's something else.</div> Well even Jim Calhoun questioned his work ethic and said that it was difficult at times to get him motivated. When a player can't motivate himself working to get himself in the NBA, then there might be some potential problems.
This is really one of those I don't really know. I'm definately not mad at the pick, neither am I dissapointed, he could be good, so I'm not sure what to say, it's one of those we'll have to see situations. I think Charlie will get traded sometime in the future though.
i can ssense that too because i don't see how bargnani/charlie/bosh can play together with nesteorvic clogging the C spot (although maybe 25 min) but colangelo already openly stated he will trade for a PG and charlie is the only tradable asset (nobody want mike james except bluebayou)
