That's a bit of a head scratcher since Gay has more upside. Sure Gay could've dropped to #8 because he was perceived as lackadaisical, but then again he could turn into an all-star. Battier is a solid player, but hardly an all-star. This is a coup for Jerry West in my opinion. Speaking of Jerry, did he outdo the Warriors in some way? Here's what I mean. The Warriors took Mike Dunleavy BEFORE Shane Battier. Battier has become a better player than Dun at this point. Yet, Dunleavy got handed a bigger contract than Shane by Mullin because of being his favorite. Do you see where I'm going with this? Mullin could not trade Dunleavy because of his big contract and being BYC1. Second, if Dun was better than Battier and didn't have the big contract, he could likely have been the one who landed us Rudy Gay. Rudy Gay and Patrick O'Bryant could have been a draft Warrior fans would have been talking about for years. Yeah, the scenario is a little far fetched but with smart money management and selecting good players in the draft, it could get you an opportunity to get a better player and possible all-star. Jerry West over Garry St. Jean and Chris Mullin on this one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">That's a bit of a head scratcher since Gay has more upside. Sure Gay could've dropped to #8 because he was perceived as lackadaisical, but then again he could turn into an all-star. Battier is a solid player, but hardly an all-star. This is a coup for Jerry West in my opinion. Speaking of Jerry, did he outdo the Warriors in some way? Here's what I mean. The Warriors took Mike Dunleavy BEFORE Shane Battier. Battier has become a better player than Dun at this point. Yet, Dunleavy got handed a bigger contract than Shane by Mullin because of being his favorite. Do you see where I'm going with this? Mullin could not trade Dunleavy because of his big contract and being BYC1. Second, if Dun was better than Battier and didn't have the big contract, he could likely have been the one who landed us Rudy Gay. Rudy Gay and Patrick O'Bryant could have been a draft Warrior fans would have been talking about for years. Yeah, the scenario is a little far fetched but with smart money management and selecting good players in the draft, it could get you an opportunity to get a better player and possible all-star. Jerry West over Garry St. Jean and Chris Mullin on this one.</div> I agree but we took Richardson over Battier. The year after we took Dunleavy over Gooden. Jerry West had a SUPERB draft compared to us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post"> Here's what I mean. The Warriors took Mike Dunleavy BEFORE Shane Battier. Battier has become a better player than Dun at this point. Yet, Dunleavy got handed a bigger contract than Shane by Mullin because of being his favorite. </div> Wrong draft, dood. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post"> Do you see where I'm going with this? Mullin could not trade Dunleavy because of his big contract and being BYC1. Second, if Dun was better than Battier and didn't have the big contract, he could likely have been the one who landed us Rudy Gay. Rudy Gay and Patrick O'Bryant could have been a draft Warrior fans would have been talking about for years. Yeah, the scenario is a little far fetched but with smart money management and selecting good players in the draft, it could get you an opportunity to get a better player and possible all-star. Jerry West over Garry St. Jean and Chris Mullin on this one.</div> Murphy is BYC1, Dunleavy's deal hasn't even kicked in yet. LOL I'll tell you one thing, even if we had a Battier type player, Houston would probably look for somebody that has seen the playoffs (which Battier on Memphis has and anybody drafted by the Warriors hasn't as long as they stay here) and somebody that can play defense and hit clutch shots. That's why they chose him. He's got playoff instincts, he's clutch, he's a good defender, and he knows his role at either SF, PF or SG. They didn't want Fisher because they got Luther Head and Skip to my Lou and they'd rather make a move that would get T-mac back to shooting guard where he could take advantage of size and athleticism. Also, the only time guys ever trade for our players is if they're a cut above the rest and the GMs know they can bend one of our Gms over the counter. Those players of ours are usually players we want to keep anyway, unless financial blunders force us to lose those guys for nothing or very little in compensation. So the lesson learned is don't f'n overpay, Mullin! You ruin your flexibility and leverage in everything, especially if your'e actually trying to make the playoffs. Ahhh, the guy doesn't know how anyway... just like all the other inexperienced GMs that haven't even coached or have a clue how to build a winning team that works in almost any type of situation. Also Rudy G. ain't sht until he proves it. If he had a nice showing in a real game of what he was capable of, instead of diappearing faster than you can say "Dunleavy", he wouldn't have fallen to #8. So him and his athleticism is all hype to me. But if he fell to #9, I'd take him without hesitation since he was arguably looked at as top 6 talent. Plus, athleticsim and D on the perimeter is always good.
Anyway jason voorhees, man, as a warriors fan you gotta check your facts before you post or you're going to totally mess with readers that don't know any better. That's how Antwon Jamison over Vince Carter type threads start. We could have had Vince Carter! Um no, that was the deal that was already in place and GS wanted Jamison, not Carter. Kwan had to correct me on this after some GSW fan spoke of this like it was fact. This was way back in the day... So please research or ask questions, don't assume or guess. Thanks.
It's really funny how we were one step ahead of West till Gay trade. In 01 draft, West (6th pick) wanted Richardson. We (5th pick) were believed to draft either Battier or Griffin. But, we snatched Richardson right in front of West. In 02 draft, West (4th pick) wanted Dunleavy. We (3rd pick) snatched Dunleavy. In 03 draft, West (13th pick) wanted Pietrus. We (11th pick) picked Pietrus. So, I guess West finally got tired of it, and maybe decide to screw us for once. But then, what make us to say we would actually draft Gay even if he is available. Also, entire package is Gay and Swift for Battier. So, we also had to take Swift's contract. I wonder how West feels for receiving Swift back...
Not so fast. I may have gotten my Dookies mixed up but my argument was still valid. We're not here to argue just facts, but ideas and opinions. My take was that Jerry West put one over on Chris Mullin, and that following his drafting well even for a good (not great) player and practicing smart money management pays off in different ways. And that was a good take by Kwan on the Warriors being one step ahead of West. I doubt West wanted Swift back, but I just checked and Swift has: 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 $5,400,000 $5,800,000 $6,200,000 (player option) left on his deal, so he's tradeable.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway jason voorhees, man, as a warriors fan you gotta check your facts before you post or you're going to totally mess with readers that don't know any better. That's how Antwon Jamison over Vince Carter type threads start. We could have had Vince Carter! Um no, that was the deal that was already in place and GS wanted Jamison, not Carter. Kwan had to correct me on this after some GSW fan spoke of this like it was fact. This was way back in the day... So please research or ask questions, don't assume or guess. Thanks. </div> What's got your undies in a bunch? We all make mistakes. I admit I misspoke on the Dukies. I don't expect to be perfect. And that Carter-Jamison was over similarities in play -- flashy versus solid. Not where they were picked. I think Kwan clarified that he meant it was similar because of the trade and cash considerations given, i.e. Minny put one over on POR. As for the deal the Warriors made to get Jamison, yeah, that deal was a head scratcher and I knew we couldn't have gotten Carter. My first choice was Carter, so I was screaming and jumping up and down, but then the trade was announced soon after. My second choice that year was Paul Pierce.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">What's got your undies in a bunch? We all make mistakes. I admit I misspoke on the Dukies. I don't expect to be perfect. And that Carter-Jamison was over similarities in play -- flashy versus solid. Not where they were picked. I think Kwan clarified that he meant it was similar because of the trade and cash considerations given, i.e. Minny put one over on POR. As for the deal the Warriors made to get Jamison, yeah, that deal was a head scratcher and I knew we couldn't have gotten Carter. My first choice was Carter, so I was screaming and jumping up and down, but then the trade was announced soon after. My second choice that year was Paul Pierce.</div> Dude, I'm not pissed. I'm not trying to put you down. I'm just saying make sure you know what you're talking about or slow it down. It's really confusing and hard to respond to sometimes that's all.
