2006 NBA Draft -- Warriors Rip a Stale Fart

I recorded the draft on DVR just to watch the excitement of the first 10 picks. The anticipation was intense, what with the numb-nuts Portland trades and the Bulls trades, and the suspense of who was left on the board, and what brilliant trade concoctions Mullin had brewing in his think tank. Any minute I was ready for a stunning Warriors announcement.

Then the hush as the Commish comes up to announce the 9th pick. Okay, here it comes, who did we trade the pick to, what did we get, here we go.....


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Oh, jeez -- Patrick O'Bryant.

Mullin let one rip tonight. This was a disappointment. Why?

As I said earlier, <font size=""5"">POB looks like a combination of Popeye Jones and Brian Cook</font>, and that ain't good.

The only problem is Popeye Jones would dominate POB in the paint. That ain't good either.

One look at this guy will reveal that he doesn't possess even a droplet of energy, spark, or electricity.

He's peanut butter on white bread. I always find a way to "talk" my homer-self up on Warriors dradt picks every year, convince myself (and try to convince others) of their "potential."

Let me say now: this guy will never come close to sniffing Adonal Foyle's jock strap. Foyle will be infinately more productive than POB will ever even dream of aspiring to.

Uh, let alone Biedrins, who already is better than POB, already is just starting to blossom, already is a 7 footer who is still growing.

Biedrins has everything POB doesn't seem to have (from my limited prospective): fire, energy, aggressiveness, athleticism, and a look. Yeah, you know. You look at a guy and get a vibe. I look at POB and I think to myself "ya know, I'm 6' 3" and can barely hang on the rim, but I'd dunk on your ass POB."

I'm just baffled. Yeah we need a proven center but not this guy. By the time this guy reaches his prime all of our current players will be ready to retire. Plus, when he reaches his prime he'll still only average 3 pts and 4 rbs. So Mully -- WTF?

If you got to this point, on this day, an hour before the draft, and you're sitting there thinking "Okay Rod, okay Mr. Cohan, I already f**ked up, somehow I was unable to trade this pick to plenty of hungry suitors, so now I'm sitting here and I have to pick..."

Why not take a guy that at least has a little electricity?

I would have taken Marcus Williams, or Ronnie Brewer, or Thabo Sefolosha, or even J.J. Redick or Rodney Carney. At least these players are somewhat interesting and have some spunk to them.

Marcus Williams is a certified player and he'll produce no mattter where he goes. At this very moment he has twice the trade value that POB had on his best day. So why not take him for value?

And then, at #38, with this "instant back-up center" kid from Serbia. Hey, I love 7 footers, but only if Foyle is gone. The way it is now, what, we have a certified back-up backing up our "lottery" pick back-up who will never play because he's sitting behind the infinately superior Biedrins who happens to be the Warriors back-up behind Foyle.?

Unless Mullin has some master plan in mind, like an already done deal to move Foyle (as if something like that could even exist), then I'm scratching my head on this one.

Why not take Marcus Williams simply for value?

I think the most deflating thing about this whole draft night is this: Mullin. I'm really hoping he makes a summer blockbuster or that POB turns out to be Ben Wallace but the way it stands right now, I'm starting to get the feeling that, contrary to all the hype, he really has nothing up his sleeve.

 

But we still have the #1 pick (if he came out in 2006) -- Ike Diogu!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">I recorded the draft on DVR just to watch the excitement of the first 10 picks. The anticipation was intense, what with the numb-nuts Portland trades and the Bulls trades, and the suspense of who was left on the board, and what brilliant trade concoctions Mullin had brewing in his think tank. Any minute I was ready for a stunning Warriors announcement.

Then the hush as the Commish comes up to announce the 9th pick. Okay, here it comes, who did we trade the pick to, what did we get, here we go.....


ffffffffffffbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttt



Oh, jeez -- Patrick O'Bryant.

Mullin let one rip tonight. This was a disappointment. Why?

As I said earlier, <font size="5">POB looks like a combination of Popeye Jones and Brian Cook</font>, and that ain't good.

The only problem is Popeye Jones would dominate POB in the paint. That ain't good either.

One look at this guy will reveal that he doesn't possess even a droplet of energy, spark, or electricity.

He's peanut butter on white bread. I always find a way to "talk" my homer-self up on Warriors dradt picks every year, convince myself (and try to convince others) of their "potential."
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Let's hope POB ain't a POS. Haha. Okay, I bet I'm not the first one to come up with that...


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">
Let me say now: this guy will never come close to sniffing Adonal Foyle's jock strap.
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Well, if one of these days he actually did, I bet POB would gladly share it with you. "Hey, AlleyOop, smells like cheese in there, check it out, bro."


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">
Foyle will be infinately more productive than POB will ever even dream of aspiring to.
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Dropped passes, shots over backboard, missed wide open dunks, blown jump ball/opening tip opportunities/horrible free throw %/blown layups/fumbled passes/fumbled passes/fumbled rebounds. I think POB has a good chance to NOT do these things that Foyle constantly does as starter. It would be good if we can gain addition by substraction by removing Foyle's pathetic arse and throw Biedrins/Taft/POB or whoever will get it done in next year's draft lottery, which we are fated to go to for 13th time. Mullin saw what was up and felt this need could be taken care of in the draft in event Biedrins needed a little competition.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">
Uh, let alone Biedrins, who already is better than POB, already is just starting to blossom, already is a 7 footer who is still growing.

Biedrins has everything POB doesn't seem to have (from my limited prospective): fire, energy, aggressiveness, athleticism, and a look. Yeah, you know. You look at a guy and get a vibe. I look at POB and I think to myself "ya know, I'm 6' 3" and can barely hang on the rim, but I'd dunk on your ass POB."

I'm just baffled. Yeah we need a proven center but not this guy. By the time this guy reaches his prime all of our current players will be ready to retire. Plus, when he reaches his prime he'll still only average 3 pts and 4 rbs. So Mully -- WTF?

If you got to this point, on this day, an hour before the draft, and you're sitting there thinking "Okay Rod, okay Mr. Cohan, I already f**ked up, somehow I was unable to trade this pick to plenty of hungry suitors, so now I'm sitting here and I have to pick..."

Why not take a guy that at least has a little electricity?

I would have taken Marcus Williams, or Ronnie Brewer, or Thabo Sefolosha, or even J.J. Redick or Rodney Carney. At least these players are somewhat interesting and have some spunk to them.

Marcus Williams is a certified player and he'll produce no mattter where he goes. At this very moment he has twice the trade value that POB had on his best day. So why not take him for value?

And then, at #38, with this "instant back-up center" kid from Serbia. Hey, I love 7 footers, but only if Foyle is gone. The way it is now, what, we have a certified back-up backing up our "lottery" pick back-up who will never play because he's sitting behind the infinately superior Biedrins who happens to be the Warriors back-up behind Foyle.?

Unless Mullin has some master plan in mind, like an already done deal to move Foyle (as if something like that could even exist), then I'm scratching my head on this one.

Why not take Marcus Williams simply for value?

I think the most deflating thing about this whole draft night is this: Mullin. I'm really hoping he makes a summer blockbuster or that POB turns out to be Ben Wallace but the way it stands right now, I'm starting to get the feeling that, contrary to all the hype, he really has nothing up his sleeve.</div>
Well... you don't know because of limited observations about POB, so we don't know if he's better than AB or if he'll be better than AB down the line somewhere. There's no guarantees, there's no covers that tell what the book is really about, there's always going to be suprises when these guys actually start playing and developing over the years. Look at Josh Smith or some of these other guys like Charlie V in Toronto.

Plus, the offseason ain't over and when it is and nothing addresses the small forward issue or these lousy vets we have, then I will be furious too.

Still, let's not play the whole ego, I would have done this and I would have done that and Mully ain't shite. We don't even know the whole scenarios. Everything we know about these drafts is really based on the media unless you have enough footage to have a credible, original opinion about this POB guy. Otherwise, we'd both be doing this for a living, trust me. I don't pretend to know more than the guys doing the job and I've attacked Mullin's moves with criticism, but the offseason ain't even over to really see what he's trying to build.

But I can definitely agree in opinion that a better move could have been made (well not definitely, but possibly because its all speculation with these draft picks or trade scenarios...). Anyway, I just can't declare at this point in time that my draft pick would guarantee something that is better than Mullin's. Nobody can tell the future. It's like people already guaranteeing that Rudy Gay will be a star or something hot stuff.

 

Just curious Alley. Who would you rather have Andrew Bynum, who there are aleady rumours the Lakes want to move him or POB? They both seem a bit soft and unmotivated to me. Although Bynum showed some heart vs Shaq

I thought they should have drafted Brewer with none of the top picks falling to them.

Now why couldn't we have at least followed the Suns thinking and sold our picks ..... they got out from under brian grant doing it..... we could have gotten rid of that albatross ..... the worst player in Warrior's franchise history..... Derek Fisher ... doing the same thing... that would have been the brilliant move.

 

Be patient.. if the roster remains this way then panic, I sincerely doubt that this is it

 

Mullin on KNBR alluded to trades coming on the 1st this morning.

 

At least the "jumping to conclusions" and "super ego as a fan" factor ain't super high as some other W's boards.

Angry W's fan #1: "I would have done this and now Rudy Gay or Ronnie Brewer or <insert name> are going to be F-0cking stars and MULLIN DRAFTED POB WHO WILL BE A ABSOLUTE P.O.S. BUST WERST THAN FOYLE. You'll see! F--ing Mullin! F-- you, Mullin! Why didn't you trade for Rudy Gay? Murphy + #9 is better than Battier! Dunleavy sux0rz! Fire Monty!"

Man those guys need to get over themselves, seriously.

 

Custodian, that is the reason I came over to this forum. I can only take so much of that and the posters on this board debate in an informed way. Nothing personal just express their points with facts and respect.

On some other boards it becomes a debate between two posters and their allies. How they hate a certain coaches son..... Frustrating.

True, eduacated fans on this forum.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bayareafan85:</div><div class="quote_post">Custodian, that is the reason I came over to this forum. I can only take so much of that and the posters on this board debate in an informed way. Nothing personal just express their points with facts and respect.

On some other boards it becomes a debate between two posters and their allies. How they hate a certain coaches son..... Frustrating.

True, eduacated fans on this forum.</div>

Well put... that being said, if Mullin makes no moves before the season starts, I may turn into one of those people that I hate.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bayareafan85:</div><div class="quote_post">Custodian, that is the reason I came over to this forum. I can only take so much of that and the posters on this board debate in an informed way. Nothing personal just express their points with facts and respect.

On some other boards it becomes a debate between two posters and their allies. How they hate a certain coaches son..... Frustrating.

True, eduacated fans on this forum.</div>

I'm glad you like it here. The goal is to put together a general consensus of ideas that are truthful and without jumping to conclusions or forming absolutes.

Of course like CH, I may have a bout of pure emotional frustration on the level of five Adam Morrisons if the Warriors do something stupid or nothing in the offseason. I've got expectations too. Not anything super high because of this franchise's problems, but enough expectations to at least start the franchise in the right direction towards getting balanced play on the perimeter, in the paint, and on the defensive end.

I'm sure any guy who has played 5 on 5 basketball for at least a high school team knows how structure is important. The center and point guard positions have to be solid and you need at least a few stars who can take over inside or outside and raise the level of play of everyone else around them.

 

I aggree. Balance is the key word. Jermaine O'Neal would be great, but not necessary

 

It could be worse. Look at who Rob Babcock picked at #8 for the Raptors in 2004. Look at Isiah Thomas picking at #20 this season. I can't even remember who he picked. Just some guy.

Everyone was like... who???

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting boogielew:</div><div class="quote_post">Just curious Alley. Who would you rather have Andrew Bynum, who there are aleady rumours the Lakes want to move him or POB? </div>

Bynum. that's kid is huge. His thigh is bigger than POB's waist.

As far as the pick, I guess anything's possible -- POB could be an all-star, throwin down rim-rockin funky-dunks and breaking the backboard on Shaq's chrome dome.

Maybe Mully is trying to go "anti-Suns." I wanna see this line-up:

PG - Foyle
SG - Taft
SF - Biedrins
PF - POB
C - Kosta Perovic

Now, if Mullin can pick up a back-up center this summer, that would really round out our roster. I wonder if Bryant "Big Country" Reeves or Greg Ostertag are available?

 

AO,
You shouldn't get so excited. The only legitimate player in this draft was Roye, who we don't need. We don't even know what the final roster's going to look like. Wait until the roster settles before you get so emotional. It's typlical of our culture to not wait until all the facts are in... If the roster remains unchanged at the opening of the season, then I'll be calling for Mullin's head alongside of you, but if you have listened to Mully the last couple of days, you'll know that the draft wasn't where he was looking to make a splash. Try to be patient and not speculate. Let's just wait and see for once.

As for Rudy Gay... Please I want to sticky tab my disliking of him, as well as just about everyone else in the draft. I'm encouraged that Mullin didn't make any moves to get him.

 

It's pretty easy to get emotional when fans have a pretty good idea something bad might be coming or just a bad feeling about something. I think people set themselves up to get emotionally distraught. But being a Warriors fan, nobody should be suprised.

It's like listening to the Knicks fans right before the #20 pick.

Fans were like... oh no I can feel something bad coming up when they announce that selection....

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">AO, The only legitimate player in this draft was Roye, who we don't need.</div>

Do you mean Randy Foye, or Brandon Roy?

either way, both of those players would have been better than POB, if available.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait until the roster settles before you get so emotional.</div>

Lol - I'm not emotional, I'm just making a bold statement. I think POB is going to be a bust.

I think it's a lot more fun to read a post that takes a stance. Nobody likes clicking on a post and then reading "Well, you know, I think POB could turn out to be a good player, but he might not, you never know, we'll just have to wait and see what type of roster Mully decides to put together, what do you guys think?"

I think it's more fun to take ownage of your words and give a concrete position on something. So, this way, you can hold me to it. I might be right. I might be wrong. But at least you know where I stand.

I mean, look how many responses this thread has gotten so far. I think that reflects that at least people can identify my position and respond to it, regardless of whether they agree or not.

So again, I say: <font size=""5"">Popeye Jones will always dominate POB in the paint.</font> POB will be a bust.

There you have it. That's not too emotional, right?

 

AO, better watch with the absolutes, like "always" and "never"

 

Thinking about the draft this morning, I was wondering how much of an impact Montgomery had on the draft. I have the idea that Mike Montgomery was a strong force in the Warriors' decisions this draft. He is the only one who I could think of that would have made Chris Mullin this possessed to get this much height, and not bring in another SF(especially with the second rounder). Mike Montgomery now has the opportunity to finally accomplish what he seemed to be so good at in the college rankings, in developing talented, raw, 7 footers. I am sure Mike Montgomery is happy to have this opportunity, so he could win back maybe some more fans' hopes and confidence and esteem.

This Mullin-Montgomery team is pretty good at making stale-farts; going back to the Dunleavy, Foyle, and Fisher contracts. The ownership of this team, must be the monarchy of stale-farts though.

 

I have a feeling a bit like when we took Andy Biedrens...well...he's tall and young and maybe... Well,O'Bryant is a little bigger the same age and can shoot. If he was ready for prime time-he'd have gone top 5 and we'd be talkin about Hilton Armstrong.

Brewer or Carney would be one of 3-4 guys sharing backup SG minutes. Foye would have had to fight Fish + Monta for a role,so we went C.

"But we could have traded X and moved up and had Gay. Oh really? Did Houson WANT X or X,Y,and Z? Suppose in 2 years,Pietrus is better than Gay? Suppose O'Bryant beats out Biedrens and Taft as our main C. Those are not really such long shots.

I'll admit-I'd have liked to get Morrison,but at what cost?