Every pg on a one talent team, will make some bad descisions, but Mike James made far more good descisions than bad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BlueBayou87:</div><div class="quote_post">Im talking about Mike James here...</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BlueBayou87:</div><div class="quote_post">Alvin Williams got injured...</div>
Why is Mike Bibby regarded as one of the best PG in the L when he has almost exactly the same statline as Mike James, just more minutes, less assists and a worse shooting percentage?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post"></div> Arguing with a Mike James hater is probably just as pointless as arguing in one of those DWade vs. KB threads. People are confused.
I don't think there is a PG in FA that's as talented as Mike James right now. I agree BB's post, except for the fact that Mike James plays intense defense. He plays mediocre defense for a PG, but I think he can do a lot more when he really motivates himself. The problem I have with Mike is that often times, he gets too caught up on his own little world and his ego gets the better of him. However, his competitiveness is what this team needs and I think people shouldn't be bothered so much with how much he will want because I feel that he deserves every bit of the credibility that he's earned from last season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spyware:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think there is a PG in FA that's as talented as Mike James right now. I agree BB's post, except for the fact that Mike James plays intense defense. He plays mediocre defense for a PG, but I think he can do a lot more when he really motivates himself. The problem I have with Mike is that often times, he gets too caught up on his own little world and his ego gets the better of him. However, his competitiveness is what this team needs and I think people shouldn't be bothered so much with how much he will want because I feel that he deserves every bit of the credibility that he's earned from last season.</div> True true, but when you are on a team that won 27 games all season, and youre are just killing it, you are gonna wanna do it all by yourself, and he almost can do that. But the team got alot better and the key elements are returning so he knows that he has backup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">it was people like you that wanted us to sign alvin long term back then, and look what it did for us. 5yr contracts for players over 30 is not good for the franchise</div> Alvin looked like a solid PG for the Raps back then and it seemed like a good move; it wasn't Alvin's or the organization's fault that Alvin has been sidelined for such a long time. Mike James is a healthy, proven PG... and I assure you, he is among the top 10 PG's in the league and if you disagree, please explain the reason why so many teams are so interested in attaining him.
We are not re-signing Mike James and that's final. I can't believe there's still some Raptors fans who support re-signing Mike James. He never did anything to help Bosh's growth and scoring. He always shot first and looked to pass second. I watched nearly every Raptor game last year and it was always the same scenario, and I was so frustrated with Mike James. And don't even get me started with him in the 4th quarter "mr. i'm the best", he'd dribble dribble dribble and just jack up a wild shot, sometimes yes it'd go in but that's not what we want with a playoff team. Remember CV31's 48 point performance? If it weren't for Mike james, CV easily could've gotten to 60. But James maybe was jealous and kept looking for himself even though Charlie V was draining everything. I can't forget that moment... it was obvoius that Mike james was not a PG and was not someone for our future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">We are not re-signing Mike James and that's final. I can't believe there's still some Raptors fans who support re-signing Mike James. Remember CV31's 48 point performance? If it weren't for Mike james, CV easily could've gotten to 60. But James maybe was jealous and kept looking for himself even though Charlie V was draining everything. I can't forget that moment... it was obvoius that Mike james was not a PG and was not someone for our future.</div> First of all, BELIEVE IT. Secondly, when Charlie scored 48 he took exactly double the shots that Mike James took, Mike only took 16 that game. Mike also had 10 assists that game. Charlie wouldn't have scored 60...period.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BlueBayou87:</div><div class="quote_post">Arguing with a Mike James hater is probably just as pointless as arguing in one of those DWade vs. KB threads. People are confused.</div> no...i got confused when i responded to your post about alvin williams, and you replied with "im talking about mike james" but anyways...im not a "mike james hater" i just dont think that locking him up long terms is the best move for this organization. i think he's a solid PG, but i think there are pg's that are a better fit for the direction we're headed. how can i be a hater when iv even said that id like to see james sign with toronto, but for no more then 2yrs. i could live with 3yrs if it was for 4mill, but that wont happen either. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting spyware:</div><div class="quote_post">Mike James is a healthy, proven PG... and I assure you, he is among the top 10 PG's in the league and if you disagree, please explain the reason why so many teams are so interested in attaining him.</div> well i do disagree he's top 10, i can think of 10 players currently playing the 1 spot who are better...ill list them: chauncey billups tony parker jason kidd steve nash jason terry chris paul mike bibby steve francis allen iverson gilbert arenas not to mention id rather have ridnour or hinrich over james. dont get me wrong...james is a solid pg...but i dont think colangelo is prepared to sign him to a 5yr deal.
Mike Bibby is in your list, and you didn't respond to my post about him. Mike Bibby and Mike James have the same statline. James' is just a bit better. So if Mike Bibby is top 10 which I agree with (im not saying that Mike James can be considered a top 10 after one brilliant season.) and they have the same stats, why does Mike James deserve only 4 mil?
mike james...ONE decent season under his belt bibby...been doin it for years. clutch playoff performances...scores 20ppg on a winning team in the west. james only matched bibbys stat line for one season bibby > james
That did not answer anything, I already agreed that he was better, I brought up the fact that it was only one impressive season, yet, the last one he played. My question was why does Mike James deserve only 4 mill? Thats less than one third of what this top ten pg Bibby is making. James also had a better year than Bibby, so I don't understand you and youre only wanting to give up 4 mil.
where did i say "mike james deserves 4 mill"? you're either not reading my posts, or misunderstanding them. he's asking for more, and he'll get more. what i said was, id only sign mike james to a 3 yr deal if it was for 4mill a season".
ok...seriously. im done here...you arent even reading my posts. I JUST TOLD YOU that i never said mike james deserves 4 mill a season...again...i said ... actually...forget it, im not going to repeat myself a 3rd time. if you dont have enough grasp of the english language to understand what im saying, especially when iv said it twice, then its not worth my time. /thread
That question is pretty much the same as this question. You already know that, youre just trying to avoid it so you dont look foolish. Why would you only sign him for 4 mill a year? Looks like I dominated the thread.
LOL Wow.. this whole discussion was between to people conversating.. Well the huge differences between Bibby and James are one, Bibby has been putting up big numbers for years and years and consistant for years. James has only done it once. The only problem is James is 31 and everyone is not sure if he can put up the same #s again. Actually if u have someone who can put up 12 pts and like 8 to 9 assist as a PG. It equals out to the person who scores 19 and 5 assist. However if the PG actually makes plays and see's the pass leading to the pass.. it will eventually make out to more points than a PG scoring 20 and just passing to pass the ball to the teammate cuz the coach said so. There are also questions to how James would play after they give him a big contract, will he revert and play poorly. Thats what they question. Plus the Raptors are looking to go young. If they can make a champsionship run in 3 or 4 maybe 5 years, Mike James won't be apart of it or at least be really old. and they will have to find a new PG. But if they get a young PG now, who can put up 12 pts and 9 assist, who can grow with the core players, they'd have a great team with great chemistry.
yea...you dominated the tread by completely misunderstanding basic english. ill try one more time, and maybe you'll get it...however my expectations are low he WOULDNT sign for 4mill a season...that was my whole point to begin with. since he wont be signing for that...i dont want him here. he's asking for around 5 or 6million a season...and i wouldnt mind paying that if it was only a 2yr contract...but i cant even see him signing for as little as 3 yrs. the only way id like to see him sign a 3yr deal, is if it was at 4mill a season, which i had said wont happen. get it now? i hope so, because i really cant explain it any more clearly...you seem to divise from that, that i think james is worth 4 mil a season...im saying that IF <--key word here... IF he was willing to sign a deal like that, id take it...HOWEVER i know he is not/wont...therefore it is RETARDED to give mike james a 5 yr 30 million dollar contract.
