With Battier coming to Houston for Gay and Swift, here are some free agents we can get with the MLE or a portion of it. Jared Jeffries Vspan Jumaine jones vlad radmonivich devean george Most of these guys are SG/SF with the exception of Vspan and Radman. pg: alston/ sura sg: battier/ head/ (sg/SF) sf: tmac/ novak/ RyBo pf: howard/ chuck hayes c: yao ming / deke With Vspan: pg/ alston/ (vspan)/ sura sg: battier/ head sf: tmac/ novak/ rybo pf: howard/ chuck hayes c: yao/ deke with Radman: pg: alston/ sura SG: Battier/ head sf: tmac/ novak/ rybo pf: (Radman)/ Howard/ Chuck Hayes C: Yao Ming/ Deke The Rockets needed two new starters and they got one in Shane battier. They need another starter at the PF position and 2 solid Bench players to proivde that boost. (First solid bench player) I propose We sign Darius Washington Jr. OR Mike Gansey to our lineup to act as back up PG and SG respectively. (Second Starter) Sign Radman to MLE (Second ROLE player) Sign in trade for Jared Jeffries I don't know if all of that works, but if it comes true then this is what depth chart looks like. PG: alston/ Darius washington/ sura sg: Battier/ Head/novak sf: Tmac/ Jeffries/ Rybo pf: Radman/ howard/ chuck Hayes c: yao ming/ deke With Jeffries, Head, Howard, and Chuck hayes off the bench, this could be an amazing 9 man rotation.
I don't know why, but I really like Jared Jeffries. He's 6'11" and can play SG, SF, and PF. I think he would do well coming off the bench for the Rockets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JuLiO-R-:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know why, but I really like Jared Jeffries. </div> I like him too. But we have two very good SG-SF-PF types in McGrady and Battier. Do we need another? I think Mike James would be a good fit. Radmonovic ... I'm hesitant on that (mainly because I don't want Hayes to be pushed out of the rotation, again).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I like him too. But we have two very good SG-SF-PF types in McGrady and Battier. Do we need another? I think Mike James would be a good fit. Radmonovic ... I'm hesitant on that (mainly because I don't want Hayes to be pushed out of the rotation, again).</div> I agree that Battier and Mcgrady are good sg/sf but we need to add dpeth. Jeffries will come off the bench as our potential 6th/7th man. Mike James is out of our price range and I don't want to pay him anyways. 6th man: Luther Head 7th man: Jared Jeffires 8th man: Chuck Hayes 9th: Juwan howard 10th: Steve Novak
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Mike James would be a good fit. Radmonovic ... I'm hesitant on that (mainly because I don't want Hayes to be pushed out of the rotation, again).</div> I think ur a little too hype on Hayes. If we can land Radmonavic, a PROVEN player, then I think we should take that. Hayes we'll be used to be sparingly, but that's prolly how he should be used anyway.
Add Drew Gooden, and I will love the depth chart. pg: alston/ sura sg: battier/ head/ sf: tmac/ novak/ RyBo pf: Drew Gooden/howard/ chuck hayes c: yao ming / deke Trade Howard and Sura, for a few role players, and I think we are good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Hayes we'll be used to be sparingly, but that's prolly how he should be used anyway.</div> If you actually look at what he did last year, he was far better than Howard or Swift. I judge players based on what they do on the court over the course of a season. Maybe what he did was a fluke, but don't you can't deny that he performed far better last year than any other PF we had (and, in fact, better than most PFs in the league). The evidence is overwhelmingly clear on that point, in case you didn't know. If you want, I can go through it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YugoRocketsfan:</div><div class="quote_post">Add Drew Gooden, and I will love the depth chart. pg: alston/ sura sg: battier/ head/ sf: tmac/ novak/ RyBo pf: Drew Gooden/howard/ chuck hayes c: yao ming / deke Trade Howard and Sura, for a few role players, and I think we are good.</div> Why would anyone want to take Sura??
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YugoRocketsfan:</div><div class="quote_post">Add Drew Gooden, and I will love the depth chart. pg: alston/ sura sg: battier/ head/ sf: tmac/ novak/ RyBo pf: Drew Gooden/howard/ chuck hayes c: yao ming / deke Trade Howard and Sura, for a few role players, and I think we are good.</div> Howard and Sura are already role players. With their contracts, whatever players we get back will be of lower quality or have even larger contracts. Is that really worth it?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Howard and Sura are already role players. With their contracts, whatever players we get back will be of lower quality or have even larger contracts. Is that really worth it?</div> If they are younger and more productive then they deserve that extra money. Sura might not play again so unloading his contract will be a plus.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">If you actually look at what he did last year, he was far better than Howard or Swift. I judge players based on what they do on the court over the course of a season. Maybe what he did was a fluke, but don't you can't deny that he performed far better last year than any other PF we had (and, in fact, better than most PFs in the league). The evidence is overwhelmingly clear on that point, in case you didn't know. If you want, I can go through it.</div> C'mon dude, "better than most PF's in the league"? That's totally not called for. Part of me wants to think ur bein sarcastic, but the other part thinks ur actually dead serious. Chucky Hayes had some solid games last yr, but Howard came thru for us and he's simply a far better player.
Jared Jefferies would be great for us. He works hard. He is good on defence. He is 6'11" He won't give flashy stats but he would be a great role player if we had a chance at starting him at the pf spot. He is a JVG type player who can really help us because he has the athleticism. Nene would be good because he could come in and help us but defending and rebounding. Mike James would be good if we could convince him to come here to win a championship for a severe paycut and i wouldn't be surprised if he bought it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">C'mon dude, "better than most PF's in the league"? That's totally not called for. Part of me wants to think ur bein sarcastic, but the other part thinks ur actually dead serious. Chucky Hayes had some solid games last yr, but Howard came thru for us and he's simply a far better player.</div> I am serious. I base my opinion on objective facts. Hayes put up better individual numbers, the opponents he faced put up worse numbers, and his +/- while on the court was FAR better than Howard. Kind of difficult to explain my position in any detail, since I don't expect you'd respond to any of the points I make (you haven't in the past). Plus, you don't make an argument (Howard is "simply a far better player" is not an argument), so there's no way I can counter-argue. If you want to engage in a serious conversaton I'm willing, but otherwise this is really a waste of time.
Hayes is a good rebounding pf like fortson but he isn't your prototypical pf that is 6'10" and can shoot. He is one of those guys that hustles and plays hard and gets results on the board but we need something more at pf. We need someone who can contain the other team's main starting pf. Since Nene resigned for 6 yr/ 60 mil we can't sign him but we could work a sign and trade with gooden if JVG is willing or maybe we could get jared jeffries to maybe help out this need.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post"> Since Nene resigned for 6 yr/ 60 mil we can't sign him but we could work a sign and trade with gooden if JVG is willing or maybe we could get jared jeffries to maybe help out this need.</div> You think Gooden is a better individual defender than Chuck Hayes? I think you're really overstating he importance of size. Chuck Hayes is a very good defensive player; JVG himself said he think Hayes is our best post defender. Just because some other PF might be taller, that doesn't mean he'll be more effective in handling the premier PFs. In particular, I think it's laughable that some are arguing Hayes shouldn't be ahead of Howard in the rotation because his size makes him a defensive liability. This presupposes that Howard is a more effective individual defensive player, and that's clearly not the case.
No i am not arguing that hayes should not be in front of howard. The difference between a juwan howard and a chucky hayes is that chuck is hard nosed while howard is soft. Why howard should star? he can shoot and spread the defence do stuff on offence other than offensive rebound. Why gooden can help us? His offensive game is better than hayes and howards. He can shoot he can drive he can shoot out to the three point line he can post up he can offensive rebound. Why he could be better on defence. Face it your not going to stop the seven ft duncans garnetts and nowizkis with hayes on them you need a guy with length quickness and athletisism and a guy who is hard noesed. I know hayes fits the hard nosed and gooden only fits the length quickness and athletisum but gooden can be taught to be the lockdown pf defender that can contain playoff pfs. Hayes will be limited by his physical attritubes. I am not saying he can't play for us but he cannot be the playoff pf we need. now now of couse hayes is our post defender. Look at the posts he's competing with? Lampe european softy, Juwan Howard Michigan softy, Stromile Swift sleeps on the job, Yao Ming not enough lateral quickness to guard guys like Garnett, Dikembe Mutumbo getting too old becoming too fragile. Thats not saying very much about Chuck Hayes' defence.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">You think Gooden is a better individual defender than Chuck Hayes? I think you're really overstating he importance of size. Chuck Hayes is a very good defensive player; JVG himself said he think Hayes is our best post defender. Just because some other PF might be taller, that doesn't mean he'll be more effective in handling the premier PFs. In particular, I think it's laughable that some are arguing Hayes shouldn't be ahead of Howard in the rotation because his size makes him a defensive liability. This presupposes that Howard is a more effective individual defensive player, and that's clearly not the case.</div> If we wanna be back in the lottery next year, then I'm all for starting a 6'6 powerfoward in the Western Conference. Being on a team with Tmac & Yao, it's important that everybody on the floor be able to knock down open shots. Hayes can't do that. In a Conference where teams are loaded with talent, starting Hayes would be the worst move in Rockets history. Hayes over Gooden? That's a no brainer. If the Rockets wanna win a championship, they'll chase Gooden and look for an athletic shooting guard. If they wanna win 30 games and break up the team next year, Chuck Hayes is the man!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">If we wanna be back in the lottery next year, then I'm all for starting a 6'6 powerfoward in the Western Conference. Being on a team with Tmac & Yao, it's important that everybody on the floor be able to knock down open shots. Hayes can't do that.</div> Hayes can offensive rebound and he moves well without the ball when his man goes to double team. There's no rule that the other three players on the court have to be able to hit a jump shot. Obviously, it would help, but Hayes does enough other things on the offensive end to keep himself useful. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In a Conference where teams are loaded with talent, starting Hayes would be the worst move in Rockets history. Hayes over Gooden? That's a no brainer. If the Rockets wanna win a championship, they'll chase Gooden and look for an athletic shooting guard. If they wanna win 30 games and break up the team next year, Chuck Hayes is the man!!</div> This is where your argument makes little sense to me. You refer to the talent at the PF position. OK, so doesn't it make sense to play your best defensive PF against these players? Chuck Hayes is far and away a better defender than Howard. And I don't think Howard does enough on the offensive end to make up for that. You're focusing too much on offensive skills and size, and ignoring the bigger picture of who actually performs better while on the court. Howard is old, soft, and has rapidly diminishing skills. And the Rockets simply don't play very well when he's on the court, typically. I'd much rather go with a younger, more energetic player who can make all the hustle plays on the defensive end while being the "garbage man" on the offense end. If Hayes can sustain his level of play for significant minutes, then he's definitely the better option.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Why he could be better on defence. Face it your not going to stop the seven ft duncans garnetts and nowizkis with hayes on them you need a guy with length quickness and athletisism and a guy who is hard noesed. I</div> You don't need to have great size to be a good defender against big men. If you have a strong lower base, long arms, quick feet, quick hands, and you hustle, you can easily be more effective than a 6'11 player who plays with questionable intensity and focus.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Hayes can offensive rebound and he moves well without the ball when his man goes to double team. There's no rule that the other three players on the court have to be able to hit a jump shot. Obviously, it would help, but Hayes does enough other things on the offensive end to keep himself useful.</div> So you want to move Hayes into a Ben Wallace role. Only one problem, he isn't Ben Wallace. He's Chuck Hayes and isn't nowhere near the player or athlete Ben Wallace is. He's a role player who MIGHT be effective for 15-20mins a game. Ur basing everything he's done on a couple good games he played last year. But this guy didn't even play for the majority of the season. There is no way I'd feel comfortable with my undersized PF, who has NO JUMPSHOT, matching up with Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, Gasol etc.......We mine as well resign Clarence Weatherspoon and bring back Lonnie Baxter. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">This is where your argument makes little sense to me. You refer to the talent at the PF position. OK, so doesn't it make sense to play your best defensive PF against these players? Chuck Hayes is far and away a better defender than Howard. And I don't think Howard does enough on the offensive end to make up for that</div> Howard played well last season, putting up a string of double doubles for us, while averaging 17pts. His midrange game is automatic, and he's proven he can play good D on the Duncans & Garnetts. Why would you start somebody who teams are going to back off everytime he touches the rock. It's called spacing. Something ALL the elite teams do quite effectively............... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">You're focusing too much on offensive skills and size, and ignoring the bigger picture of who actually performs better while on the court. Howard is old, soft, and has rapidly diminishing skills. And the Rockets simply don't play very well when he's on the court, typically. I'd much rather go with a younger, more energetic player who can make all the hustle plays on the defensive end while being the "garbage man" on the offense end. If Hayes can sustain his level of play for significant minutes, then he's definitely the better option.</div> But that's the problem, ur overexaggerating Hayes's defense while underestimating Howard's proven talent. Hayes has shown he can be a good defender in spurts, but in a situation where he's forced to play 20-30 mins against a superstar, talent is going to prevail. If we're smart, we should pursue Gooden. But if we can't land him, Howard is the smartest thing at PF. There is no way a undersized "garbage player" with absolutley NO OFFENSIVE game and a somewhat good defense is gonna work in the Western Conference. We need to upgrade not downgrade
