Fisher On Block?

Brown is the best of the three, I hope Mullin picks up his option.

I'm assuming that this deal was made in order to free up space for another incoming contract/deal (possibly Al Harrington???). Otherwise they would have stuck with Fisher for another year since he is the best contract out of the four bad ones (Fisher, Murphy, Dunleavy, Foyle).

 

Looks like it's official.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Salt Lake Tribune - The Salt Lake Tribune is reporting that Golden State Warriors point guard Derek Fisher has been sent to the Utah Jazz for Devin Brown, Keith McLeod and Andre Owens.

Fisher averaged 13.3 points and 4.3 assists with the Warriors last season, backing up Baron Davis.</div>
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I hope so, I 've been harping to move Fisher for days now, but at least move him in a deal that makes some sense. Package him with a prospect to get a good player. Hopefully this move will be made in preparation for a bigger and better move (if this move will even be made at all).

 

Nice deal by Mullin. Corrected the Fisher mistake and it didn't cost him any picks or prospects.

Now if he could only do that with Foyle, the Warriors would be back in business.

 

Good move. It gives us a bunch of hardworking players. I'm not sure how good Andre Owens is, but Devin Brown would be a nice backup shooting guard at 6'5 and Keith McLeod will give some solid minutes at backup point. Like BJM mentioned it does improve our defensive capability and our free throws. Some of these guys can create their own shot (due to ballhandling, bball sense, and quickness) which is nice.

Pietrus/Murphy on their way out?

 

Good move. We finally dumped Fisher's salary and opened up mins for Monta. Fisher's 2 guard skills will be missed, but not certainly PG's skills. I don't think anybody will stay beyond this year, but who knows? Maybe, we can find a good back up guard among Pietrus, Brown or McLeod. One tradable chip is gone. Let's see if Murphy will be moved as well...

 

Thank god Fisher's gone. That guy was completely useless playing point guard. We can use some of these existing expiring contracts to help us in a sign + trade. Harrington and Wilcox are on the radar.

 

They are singing happy days are here again in Oakland. The Liability is gone to pull down another team with his piss poor defense and inept ball handling. Why Utah would want him is beyond me, it is not like they have a post presence that commands double teams so fisher can do the only thing he is capable of doing. Hitting the uncontested spot up shot.

The Warriors essentially guarunteed utah wont make the playoffs with this move and improved their chances.

Mcleod is more than adequate as a back up. Don't forget how he lit up fisher as most guards did. For a while there it seemed like every team's back up was a having a career night iwth Fisher guarding him.

Brown played exceptionally well for San Antonio and got a bit lost in Utah, i like what he can bring us.

ANd most importantly these are short term contracts.

The albatross is off our necks.

Now comes moving Foyle.

 

Good deal. McCleod can do what we needed from Fisher: back-up the PG and take care of the ball until Baron returns from his rest. Don't shoot 15 shots in 10 minutes, either. Simply stay out of the limelight, don't turn it over, call the play and get rid of the ball, and guard the opposing PG.

McCleod can do that. I dunno why that was so hard for Fisher. Wait, yeah I do. On a team full of young players, his ego was way over-inflated. He thought he was Jordan and no one wanted to tell him otherwise. He could go out and shoot 4-23 from the field, and tell me, who on the team was going to get in his face and tell his sorry ass to stop shooting? Not Monty. Not Dunleavy. Not even JRich. Baron maybe, but he was always in the physical therapy office, not the game.

Fisher could have been a good back-up point, if would have been willing to accept that limited role. But after hitting a few shots, he was like "f**k that, I'm AI baby!"

At least McCleod will accept his role and not try to take over the game unsuccessfully. As far as the other two chips, well, Brown is pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get. Anybody have the scoop on Owens?

 

Andre Owens scouting report.

http://www.shotsports.com/andre_owens.htm

I don't know how reliable. I trust a consensus, not like one person doing a review on what he thinks.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Andre Owens scouting report.

http://www.shotsports.com/andre_owens.htm

I don't know how reliable. I trust a consensus, not like one person doing a review on what he thinks.</div>


From this, plus ESPN, plus NBA.com, plus the fact Hoopshype doesn't even have a page on him, it sounds like he's just going to be used to make the numbers work.

 

Isn't AO the and1 guy?

 

I hope this is not Mullin's only move. I would try to move Foyle first before moving Murphy unless we get an amazing deal or just get cap relief if nothing else.

 

I think Mullin is making this move mainly just to free up some cap space. All three of these players come off the books next year, I think, while Fisher will be riding that cash cow until 2010.

Also, it turns that 6 million he was making this year into three separate movable pieces. Now, we can at least trade 1/3 or 2/3 of that money as filler. Wouldn't it have been nice to say to a team "okay, will you at least take 1/3 of Fisher's bloated salary off our hands?" Now, if we package, say, Brown, with Pietrus or Murphy, we can do that. We suddenly are able to liquidate at least a portion of Fisher's space in our cap with a trade like that.

Lastly, we get a back-up PG in McCleod who can do what needs to be done as a back-up better than what Fish was willing to do. McCleod won't need 15 shots a game to keep his ego afloat.

But I agree, this better just be a side note in the 2007 Warrior off-season. I wanna see some BIG moves go down! Why? Because I'm an irrational, fanatic fan!

 

Yippee!! No more watching Fisher jack up a jumper with 14 secs left in the shot clock after he pounds the ball for 10 secs. He won a few games for the Warriors but man it was hard watching him pound the ball.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">Isn't AO the and1 guy?</div>

I just call AlleyOop AO because its easier.

Just like I say CH, USDS, Run or BJM. You can probably guess those guys' user names.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duckmyster:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope this is not Mullin's only move. I would try to move Foyle first before moving Murphy unless we get an amazing deal or just get cap relief if nothing else.</div>
If we can move Foyle I will be glad. The question is who wants him? The guy is a nice person, but just a bad basketball player in mind, skills, body. We can't have that floating around. The question is who starts until these guys are ready? Biedrins? POB? Man we're still somewhat in the same situation of having no starting center (or worse), only with better hands. Ike/Biedrins/POB are all good catchers, so that should reward the guards and certainly Mike Dunleavy Jr (who is an excellent passer when it comes to guys underneath the hoop).

 

Now that I think about it now... Who will shoot 3 pts now? I mean, Fisher is horrendous PG. But, he was a good SG, who can hit open jumpers. Richardson is a good 3 pts shooter, but Davis is a volume shooter, Murphy don't shoot 3 pts anymore, and both Dunleavy and Pietrus had really bad 3 pts shooting year. As good as Brown and McLoad can be in defense end, they are supposely be horrible shooters too. And, since we didn't bring any inside presence so far, at this rate, we may have to rely on 3 pts a lot. Hope this is not a last good move in this offseason...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Now that I think about it now... Who will shoot 3 pts now? I mean, Fisher is horrendous PG. But, he was a good SG, who can hit open jumpers. Richardson is a good 3 pts shooter, but Davis is a volume shooter, Murphy don't shoot 3 pts anymore, and both Dunleavy and Pietrus had really bad 3 pts shooting year. As good as Brown and McLoad can be in defense end, they are supposely be horrible shooters too. And, since we didn't bring any inside presence so far, at this rate, we may have to rely on 3 pts a lot. Hope this is not a last good move in this offseason...</div>

I'm kind of worried as well. But this possibly means Monta Ellis just got promoted. I doubt he's the catch and shoot player that both Fisher and Murphy are, but sometimes you work the ball to create space, rather than just shoot the three pointer to create space (Ellis/Brown/McLeod can all create much like Speedy Claxton did, and we didn't have a 3-point shooter outside of Cliffy and Brian Cardinal in '03). For catch and shoot, we'll just have to hope somebody steps up because drive and kick will definitely be our game with and without solid presence down low. I would like the ball to go to Ike more this season provided we get a better defensive rebounder that can play center. Promotion for (foul prone) Biedrins as well? Anyway, this is risky for this season's game play, but good move to get out from a bad multi-year deal.

The coach should also try to get these guys to play a midrange game and more of a motion offense rather than stand around offense. I don't think shooting that many threes was part of the game plan, it's just a bunch of guys who don't practice enough and they don't fit the system. Or the coach and the system doesn't fit the players. However, you want to argue it things aren't fitting with the whole Foyle/Fish/Dun/Murphy/Jrich/Baron. Success starts with the players as the foundation and what they can do to affect both the offensive and defensive ends as a team. The coach just makes the adjustments, which I felt he didn't have because our bench was pretty raw and lousy too as some starters. After we were one player away from the playoffs the season before and we lost Baron again, it was the same crap team in the first half of '04.

I'm guessing the effective players in this upcoming season will have to be guys like Richardson/Murphy/Ike/Ellis/Baron. I mean Biedrins and Taft have their moments, but they're pretty much going to clean up the glass and reward the guards with dunks. I don't see the more athletic bigs being like Amare Stoudamire or Tim Duncan's yet. They are too raw and weak.