Warriors Fact or Fiction

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  1. Legacy

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    Fact or Fiction: Patrick O'Bryant will be the Warriors starting center next year.
     
  2. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    That's kind of risky. I'd sub in Taft or Biedrins first since we have a better idea of what they can do in the NBA.

    They say POB is further along than most projects (because of college), he's just kind of weak in the legs and not that polished in terms of footwork. A guy like 6'10 Foyle added in 270 lbs so he could hold position in the paint but I've never seen him really that great in getting there in time. POB is 7 feet tall and weighs 260 lbs and could get stronger in the legs without sacrificing mobility. POB's footwork isn't good, but Foyle's footwork was pretty hideous and the guy was super slow. POB wouldn't be as experienced as Foyle or Taft or Biedrins, but I'd imagine he'd be solid as shotblocker, rebounder, catcher and dunker. If POB can get strong to the point where he's not a stiff, I think it could work some in maybe year 1. He's got a little more natural strength than Biedrins, whereas Biedrins has way way way more athleticism. Beidrins can jump 36 inch standing vertical whereas POB appeared not to be that athletic (but POB has been able to demonstrate doing the 360 dunk from almost the free throw line and he's got good end-to-end running speed).

    The guy I really want to see is Chris Taft. Very little skills outside of shotblocking or rebounding, but he's got excellent combo of athleticism and strength and huge, soft hands. He's like Nene without the ballhandling and way better free throw shooter. He's a fun dunker to watch and he runs the floor like Chris Bosh. I hope he gets healthy and develops a game because raw athletes don't win in the NBA unless they've developed all the skills they can in that position and try hard every game.

    What matters is that the big men play like big men. If POB plays like he's 6'4" four years from now, I'll be pissed.
     
  3. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I say fiction at this point, because I haven't seen POB playing yet, and he is known as a project. However, if he can play half way decent, I can see him starting before next season ends. After all, Foyle is better suited for a back up and Biedrins is still capable of picking up too many fouls in an instant to be a starting C yet.

    Another Fact or Fiction: Warriors will add quality SF during this offseason.
     
  5. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Another Fact or Fiction: Warriors will add quality SF during this offseason.</div>

    Fiction! Unless Mullin suits up.
     
  6. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Fiction! Unless Mullin suits up.</div>
    After you answer you're supposed to propose another F/F question for someone else to answer to keep the game going. [​IMG]
     
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    Fiction - Biedrins will be.
     
  8. Legacy

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    Fact or Fiction: Jason Richardson will be an all-star next year
     
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    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact or Fiction: Jason Richardson will be an all-star next year</div>
    Fiction. We could have the best record in the league and Ray Allan, T-Mac, Kobe, Parker, Ginobli, Paul, and Nash would still get in before he would.

    Fact or Fiction: Monty is fired during the season.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">After you answer you're supposed to propose another F/F question for someone else to answer to keep the game going. [​IMG]</div>
    Oh yeah, huh. Damn. Okay...

    I'll do that next time. Or I can do one now.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Fiction. We could have the best record in the league and Ray Allan, T-Mac, Kobe, Parker, Ginobli, Paul, and Nash would still get in before he would.

    Fact or Fiction: Monty is fired during the season.</div>

    Fiction. Mullin supports and is willing to work with Monty and probably knows its the players not doing the job right.

    Fact/Fiction: Jason Richardson will improve his free throw shooting to at least 75%. Fact/Fiction?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact or Fiction: Monty is fired during the season.</div>

    Fiction. Mullin had every reason to fire Monty during this offseason and he didn't. Firing Monty during the season only means that Mullin missed a good chance to make a change, and I don't think Mullin can admit yet another mistake without risking his job. If Warriors make PO this season, Monty won't be fired, and if Warriors don't make PO this season, I think both Mullin and Monty will be flushed.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact/Fiction: Jason Richardson will improve his free throw shooting to 75%. Fact/Fiction?</div>

    Fact. Richardson is not a bad shooter by any mean, and he seems to improve one of his weakness during every offsason, like how he improved his ball handling and penetration last season. Although history is against me (excluding one season with 76%, he shot 67% to 69%), I will bet that Richardson will hit at least 3 out of 4 FTs this season.

    Fact or Fiction: At the end of next season, our roster may not contain either Davis or Richardson...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact or Fiction: At the end of next season, our roster may not contain either Davis or Richardson...</div>
    I'd say fact. If things go south with this team, there's a good chance. I say one or the other, probably Davis, is moved at the trade deadline.

    Fact or Fiction: Murphy is traded before the start of the season.
     
  13. Legacy

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    Fact, with all these trade rumors Murphy will probably get traded.

    Fact or Fiction: Warriors will make the playoffs next year.
     
  14. Run BJM

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact or Fiction: Warriors will make the playoffs next year.</div>
    Fiction. Spurs, Mavs, Rockets, Clippers, Phoenix, and Utah (division winner) are pretty much locks for the playoffs. The last two spots will be contended for by the Lakers, Kings, Hornets, Nuggets, and maybe the Warriors, Grizzlies, or T'Wolves. It's just not likely that we make the playoffs even if we add an Al Harrington type player.

    F/F: Dunleavy averages 14/5/3.
     
  15. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact, with all these trade rumors Murphy will probably get traded.

    Fact or Fiction: Warriors will make the playoffs next year.</div>
    Fiction.

    It'll be another dogfight because other teams in our conference are improving, offensively, defensively, and versatilty-wise in responding to different tempos.

    Baron is a roll of the dice on health status. We still have no real franchise player or proven talent that fits together that can win more games than we lose.

    Coaching could be an issue, but the fact is we still had no identity before Monty/Mullin so how does another coach propose we try to win when we're horrible running/slowing it down/playing transition D/lacking setup guys. If you don't have those things in place, it's harder to surround guys that don't fit with more guys that don't fit and nobody plays in the way that makes each other better. We definitely don't play with enough teamwork to emulate that. Too many guys look to score and they don't defend or pass the ball unless its the easy-direct assist kind and not the "extra pass". Too much inexperience as well. It's partly a mental game and I think the Warriors aren't strong enough to compete in an 82 game season. They miss free throws and only perform well when the postseason pressure is off.

    Fact or Fiction: Cohan would pay the luxury tax with our current roster.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Fiction. Spurs, Mavs, Rockets, Clippers, Phoenix, and Utah (division winner) are pretty much locks for the playoffs. The last two spots will be contended for by the Lakers, Kings, Hornets, Nuggets, and maybe the Warriors, Grizzlies, or T'Wolves. It's just not likely that we make the playoffs even if we add an Al Harrington type player.

    F/F: Dunleavy averages 14/5/3.</div>
    ahhh you beat me to it.

    Fact. For Dunleavy, it's do or die time and I think he can answer the call and succeed since he's got some extra help down low with Ike n' Biedrins. (They should be playing more and this helps Dun's passing options because there's reliable targets underneath the hoop as well as the "extra passes" he'll deliver that don't show up on the stat sheet). He'll act as a 4th option scorer and secondary ballhandler and passer.

    I think last season was an off year for him, but it doesn't change my opinion that he really sucks as a starter due to his inconsistency and inability to be this player that can attract attention from the defenses. I mean he's 6'10 and can't shoot over or post up smaller players. The guy plays like a weenie and it's hard to believe he's that tall. Even Dirk/Peja/Rashard Lewis/Dirk Nowitzki all have post games, but then again they're all-stars, not slow as molasses, and can shoot.

    So why do I think he can post such numbers? I hated his arse back in '03 and '04, yet he's produced numbers and improved. No reason to think he can't improve and rebound from one bad year. We've seen this stuff from guys like Toni Kukoc who shoot a high % one year and totally suck the next.

    I'll bet that Dunleavy is a late bloomer in terms of consistency and he's not the type of glue guy that will fit into any offense. He needs big men to operate and a dribble penetrator (Jay Williams/Carlos Boozer type) + unselfish teamwork fundamentals from the five starting guys. I think he'll be a role player, but not really a good starter... but it is possible to average such figures given his past. Stats don't show everything in a player, so he could be still disappointing in terms of impact. Look at what we're getting from Murphy on defense and ball movement compared to the actual good things we're getting from Foyle and Ike that don't show up on that stat sheet. Gotta produce and do the dirty work...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">

    F/F: Dunleavy averages 14/5/3.</div>

    Dude, ask fact or fiction questions only! Dunleavy averaging those numbers are neither fact or fiction. More like Fantasy to me. [​IMG]

    Fact or Fiction: Will Foyle catch a pass?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact or Fiction: Will Foyle catch a pass?</div>

    Dude -- you're supposed to phrase you FF in assertion form! I'll do it for you:

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact or Fiction: Foyle will catch a pass.</div>

    I gotta go fiction on this one, AF. If history is any indication, Foyle will keep his streak of consecutive games without a successful reception going at 492 games and counting.

    Fact or Fiction: Ike Diogu will lead all big men in scoring, regardless of who the Warriors trade for.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Man, that won't work if Murphy doesn't get traded first. Putting Murphy at center with Ike at PF is basically like putting Ike at center, Murphy at PF. Murph ain't going to defend the paint or post up on the blocks or finish up close like a center.

    I don't think the coach will bench Murphy unless he gets the okay from Mullin.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, that won't work if Murphy doesn't get traded first. Putting Murphy at center with Ike at PF is basically like putting Ike at center, Murphy at PF. Murph ain't going to defend the paint or post up on the blocks or finish up close like a center.

    I don't think the coach will bench Murphy unless he gets the okay from Mullin.</div>

    I dunno -- Ike could start scoring 18ppg off the bench. Then things get interesting [​IMG]

    But seriously, I think Murphy is set to go. Even if he stays, though, if Montgomery gives minutes to who earns them, Ike could very well bust out this year and earn the right to be a go-to big man in the league. He can already seemingly score at will on most teams. If he can improve his defense and rebounding, the sky's the limit.

    Fact or Fiction: Monta Ellis will make the rookie/soph game.
     

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