<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jorge Garbajosa compromised Wednesday with the Raptors for three seasons, although officially will not be able to sign the contract to July 12 (date in which the market in the NBA is opened). After confirming his contract with the Canadian franchise the wing-center of Torrej?n already is the fifth Spaniard in the NBA after Fernando Martin, Pau Gasol, Ra?l L?pez and Calderon</div> LINK story is in spanish...translation courtesy of www.freetranslation.com 3yrs? doesnt this seem kind of risky? im not too familliar with his game, can anyone shed some info on this guy plz?
I dunno very much ... i utube'd him and there are a few hilight packages available. Apparently he's a scrappy player who can get us a few board and also score. He is a former euro league MVP so he does have tallent. I'd like to see Anthony Parker in a raptors uniform - was that not rumoured a little while ago ?
Here's a link with some details on Parker and Gabajosa. http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1394 Man, I'm really starting to question Colangelo's decisons. It looks like he offered him a 3 year/$12 million dollar contract. Now if Gabajosa and Parker signed that (which it is rumoured), there goes all our free agent money This Gabajosa guy seem like another undersized unathletic power forward that we don't even need. I don't understand this. We have Bargnani, Calderon, Garbajosa and possibly Parker and Ukic. Why do we need so many European players on our team? This is the NBA. Having European players are risky (whether they pan out or not) and signing them to 3 year contracts? Seems like Colangelo is building his own Euroleague team over here.
True, these are more risky moves for the raptors. Everything Colangelo is doing is very outside the box ... we could either end up being amazing with all these changes or a complete letdown. If this becomes a new trend in the NBA (raiding euro league rosters) we are on the cutting edge, or if it flops we'll be the most affected.
No team in the past has been very successful with so many European players on their roster. Call me a pessimist but I can't see it working. At some point you will need rebounding and toughness (even if you play small ball) and European players aren't exactly known for that. I forgot that Nesterovic came from the Euroleagues as well. Nesterovic/Bargnani/Calderon/Garbajosa/Parker/Ukic. That's just too many European players.
that's not ture. Look at the Spurs' 2005 Champ team. There were total of 6 internationl players on the team, and they won it all. T. Parker (France) M. Ginobili (Argentina) R. Nesterovic (Slovenia) B. Udrih (Slovenia) S. Marks (New Zealand) T. Duncan (Virgin Islands) BTW, Anthony Parker is American, not European.
I'm starting to believe that BC is trying to sabatoge the Raps. I woudn't be surprised if he signed Anthony Parker to a 5 year 30 million dollar contract. Actually I would, but, you know.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vancity:</div><div class="quote_post">that's not ture. Look at the Spurs' 2005 Champ team. There were total of 6 internationl players on the team, and they won it all. T. Parker (France) M. Ginobili (Argentina) R. Nesterovic (Slovenia) B. Udrih (Slovenia) S. Marks (New Zealand) T. Duncan (Virgin Islands) BTW, Anthony Parker is American, not European.</div> I'm not talking about international players. When I said "European players" I meant players that have only played basketball in Europe (professionally or otherwise). Seam Marks played college ball in in the US. Tim Duncan is an American citizen and played college ball in the United States. It's different. Nash is an international player but he played college basketball in the States. They were all brought up through the system. Bargnani, Garbajosa, Ukic, Calderon were/are players that have never played in North America. You're right, Anthony Parker has played college basketball in the States but he couldn't make it in the NBA so he had to play in Europe. The problem is Parker/Ginobili/Nesterovic were all brought over when they were young. Garbajosa and Parker are anything but young and still yet to prove that they can play basketball here. Giving them 3 year contracts is questionable to say the least.
Well.. I think Colangelo is mixing it up with San Antonio and Phoenix type of players. San Antonio are known to draft Europeons or sign Europe players that turn out to be good players.. So who knows.. they may turn out good or bad, just like any other player would.. and from what the scouting seems to say about Garbajosa is that he is like Donyell Marshall..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's a link with some details on Parker and Gabajosa. http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1394 Man, I'm really starting to question Colangelo's decisons. It looks like he offered him a 3 year/$12 million dollar contract. Now if Gabajosa and Parker signed that (which it is rumoured), there goes all our free agent money This Gabajosa guy seem like another undersized unathletic power forward that we don't even need. I don't understand this. We have Bargnani, Calderon, Garbajosa and possibly Parker and Ukic. Why do we need so many European players on our team? This is the NBA. Having European players are risky (whether they pan out or not) and signing them to 3 year contracts? Seems like Colangelo is building his own Euroleague team over here.</div> i'm assuming u have been to europe and personally scouted these young men, cause u seem to dismiss garbosaand parker summarily as nba players. i'm sure u have an informed POV.
Imagine this...I'll help cuz obviously some of you DON"T have any vision. Toronto keeps on with this international scheme and they are a team on the rise. We've all seen BC is not gunshy about moving assets he sees fit. Just cuz you sign someone doesn't mean you have to keep him, YOU CAN TRADE THEM! (duhh) Were the Raps the only one after Garbajosa? No...would someone trade for him...probably. So he comes in and does the dirty work for a year or so and we trade him. With so many different countries being represented it expands the market for the Raps to gain other revenues, AS WELL AS talent, scouts, etc. If you were a foreign player would you want to go to a team full of N.American players, or if you had the choice, the Raps, a full flavoured international team. If you were an international GM, would you want your player to go to a team that doesn't care, or one that has THE BEST AND MOST HIGHLY REGARDED GM from Europe on their team. A little I scratch your back... an easy buyout....or clause, maybe a lending of a player or two to a Euro team instead of sending them to the D-League. We're building our cred not only in the L but also all over the world. Which will only help in the long run. Who wouldn't want a Ginobli or Parker on our team??? Colangelo is always ahead of the curve and he sees where the league is going and that is towards a more international trend so he is cornering the market on cred, players, savy, etc etc etc. So the next time a huge star emerges outside of your span of enlightenment (your block) you could be seeing them in Raps Red b/c of what Colangelo is doing.
I don't think you can really argue against the NBA being a more international league in the future. The international tallent base is increasing greatly. That being said, it has yet to be seen if we are making the right moves or not. We are kind of a test project right now, signing more established euro league players. I still believe that Colangelo knows what he's doing, it just seems risky as of right now. I think we are making too big a deal about the whole 3 year contract thing. If we went out and committed to a big FA this year we'd be on the hook for way more than 3 years and 12 million and the amount of proven performance on the market was questionable to say the least. Three year contact is movable, especially at the price of around 4 million a piece.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i'm assuming u have been to europe and personally scouted these young men, cause u seem to dismiss garbosaand parker summarily as nba players. i'm sure u have an informed POV.</div> Well, what I'm most disappointed about this is that we're not going to be able to even sign any of the remaining free agents that can make an impact and possibly bring this team to the playoffs. Ford/Calderon Peterson/Parker Graham/Bargnani/Tucker Bosh/Garbajosa/Humphries Nesterovic/Sow I think we can all agree this is not a playoff team. Assuming we sign Garbajosa and Parker to 3 year/$12 million contracts, that would leave us with roughly $5 million dollars left of the $13 million we had to start the offseason. Unless, Colangelo has something else up his sleeve, we're not going to be able to get anyone that can make a decent impact. Are Harrington/Wells going to sign for $5 million? Not a chance.
Guy doesn't look that bad. He averaged 16/6 in the Euroleague last year, hit 43% from the floor and 45% from the arc. Guy's a little three point happy though...shot more of those than he did two pointers. The one thing I do like about this guy is the fact that's he's been a pro overseas for a long time (since the 00-01 season), which means he doesn't have to develop anymore. Who knows, he could end up being a steal for you guys, much like Andres Nocioni was for the Bulls a couple years back.
