Israel always finds a way to justify their acts, always. Their performing acts of terrorism on the innocent lebanese people. There is no difference right now between Israel and Hezbollah.
If you think that, then i guess you don't know much about what's happening right now and about the history of the countries.
Accidental or not, Israel has to take responsibility for these casualties. Unlike these terrorist organizations they target, Israel is a actual country, with a fully formed government and powerful military. They have to be held to a higher standard than Hezbollah, and throughout history they've only stooped to their level. And, I don't understand all this hype. This won't be WWIII.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Accidental or not, Israel has to take responsibility for these casualties. Unlike these terrorist organizations they target, Israel is a actual country, with a fully formed government and powerful military. They have to be held to a higher standard than Hezbollah, and throughout history they've only stooped to their level. And, I don't understand all this hype. This won't be WWIII.</div> I don't know if the country is taking responsibility or not, but it should. Israel is FOR the Lebanese people, not against them, and there's no other way to stop Hezbollah than bombing their main hideouts/HQ/other places, and there are bound to be casualties. Israel is doing it's best to get the Lebanese people out of Lebanon, and so are other countries. Nobody wants them to get hurt, but if they stay, there's a risk that they may die. Sadly, that's what war is like.
Alot of people dont get why israel is going into lebanon if its just a one terrorist organiztion. but imagine if their was a terrorist group based in mexcio that was lauching hundreds of missiles into the states you dont think the us army would go into mexico to try and fight them? what israel is doing now imo is even way less extreme than what the us did to iraq, iraq didn't even pose a threat to the us and it was invaded. lebanon and hezbollah actually do pose a threat to isreal. obviously civillain casualties suck but there has never been millitary fighting without civillian casualties.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brasco:</div><div class="quote_post">Alot of people dont get why israel is going into lebanon if its just a one terrorist organiztion. but imagine if their was a terrorist group based in mexcio that was lauching hundreds of missiles into the states you dont think the us army would go into mexico to try and fight them? what israel is doing now imo is even way less extreme than what the us did to iraq, iraq didn't even pose a threat to the us and it was invaded. lebanon and hezbollah actually do pose a threat to isreal. obviously civillain casualties suck but there has never been millitary fighting without civillian casualties.</div> there are terrorists in mexico and in greater numbers than iraq+ afghanistan combind. narco traffickers run mexico's informal economy,a sector probably more potent than the formal one. i guess u forgot about americas other war. and yeah these terrorists do a lot more damage than dudes in caves that your government tell great fables about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobimel:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if the country is taking responsibility or not, but it should. Israel is FOR the Lebanese people, not against them, and there's no other way to stop Hezbollah than bombing their main hideouts/HQ/other places, and there are bound to be casualties. Israel is doing it's best to get the Lebanese people out of Lebanon, and so are other countries. Nobody wants them to get hurt, but if they stay, there's a risk that they may die. Sadly, that's what war is like.</div> I think you missed my point. Israel is not working towards long-term peace with these moves. Despite being a strong, healthy, nation, they continue to play into these terrorist organization's hands. Now, I know you think the Hezbollah threat was too large. But, if they are truly eliminated, as Israel wants, it's inevitable that another organization takes its' place. And then they can easily recruit more followers by pointing to these acts of aggression. And I still don't understand how the kidnapping of two soldiers (people who are bound to be targets for an enemy), warrants the killing of so many innocents. This "war" did not need to be started in the first place.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobimel:</div><div class="quote_post">If you think that, then i guess you don't know much about what's happening right now and about the history of the countries.</div> Of course you're going to defend your country, but like Chutney said, Israel always stoops to the level of their opposition. They're fighting like terrorists, not a country. Controlled bombing? That's utter bullshit to be honest with you, utter bullshit. They're bombing anything in Hezbollah terrority they can, without regards of innocent civilian lives. Israel, a country, is doing the same thing that Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, is. Put that together, either Hezbollah's acting like a country, or Israel is acting like a terrorist organization. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Accidental or not, Israel has to take responsibility for these casualties. Unlike these terrorist organizations they target, Israel is a actual country, with a fully formed government and powerful military. They have to be held to a higher standard than Hezbollah, and throughout history they've only stooped to their level. And, I don't understand all this hype. This won't be WWIII.</div> With all respect, I think you could be wrong. The situation over there is very hostile right now. If Iran wants to provoke the situation any more, they can. Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria, both have crazy leaders. I think if Iran makes any offensive against Israel, you'll see the United States and Britain show physical support for Israel. Then, there is always the chance that North Korea gets involved with this. It might not be a World War, but this, in fact, could become a very dangerous situation. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobimel:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if the country is taking responsibility or not, but it should. Israel is FOR the Lebanese people, not against them, and there's no other way to stop Hezbollah than bombing their main hideouts/HQ/other places, and there are bound to be casualties. Israel is doing it's best to get the Lebanese people out of Lebanon, and so are other countries. Nobody wants them to get hurt, but if they stay, there's a risk that they may die. Sadly, that's what war is like.</div> For a country that is for the people, they're just bombing away without care. They say they care, but honestly, have the results of their bombing shown that? I know you're going to have your opinions, you're an Israeli, I respect them. I'm going to have my opinions as well, as I'm Lebanese. I just think Israel can be a lot more careful than they are right now. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brasco:</div><div class="quote_post">Alot of people dont get why israel is going into lebanon if its just a one terrorist organiztion. but imagine if their was a terrorist group based in mexcio that was lauching hundreds of missiles into the states you dont think the us army would go into mexico to try and fight them?</div> For the most part, yes, you're right. But if that situation, Mexico and the U.S. ever did happen, there would be tons more U.S. casualties. The U.S. is far more populated than Israel, and the missiles would be landing in very populated states, California and Texas. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brasco:</div><div class="quote_post">what israel is doing now imo is even way less extreme than what the us did to iraq, iraq didn't even pose a threat to the us and it was invaded. lebanon and hezbollah actually do pose a threat to isreal. obviously civillain casualties suck but there has never been millitary fighting without civillian casualties.</div> Hezbollah poses a threat, a minor one when compared to the Israeli army. Lebanon has no power right now, Syria occupied it for years. The country is run by a terrorist group backed by Iran. If anything, Iran poses the biggest threat here. They could decided to stir things up any time they want and go on the offensive against Israel. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">there are terrorists in mexico and in greater numbers than iraq+ afghanistan combind. narco traffickers run mexico's informal economy,a sector probably more potent than the formal one. i guess u forgot about americas other war. and yeah these terrorists do a lot more damage than dudes in caves that your government tell great fables about.</div> Narcotics traffickers run more than just the economy down their, they run many government officials. Drug Lords have so much power down there, they can get to anybody or their family. They threaten government police and local police daily into letting them run their drugs, or their whole families will be killed. It's a very ugly situation down there. Far more damage? Maybe over a period of time. These "dudes" in caves killed approximately 3,000 innocent people in one attack. These "dudes" are very dangerous. They don't strike big like that often, but when they do, it's devestating. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you missed my point. Israel is not working towards long-term peace with these moves. Despite being a strong, healthy, nation, they continue to play into these terrorist organization's hands. Now, I know you think the Hezbollah threat was too large. But, if they are truly eliminated, as Israel wants, it's inevitable that another organization takes its' place. And then they can easily recruit more followers by pointing to these acts of aggression. And I still don't understand how the kidnapping of two soldiers (people who are bound to be targets for an enemy), warrants the killing of so many innocents. This "war" did not need to be started in the first place.</div> I agree with this 100%.
I have Israeli in my blood and even I'm sick of the innocent being killed over in Lebanon by these "defensive attacks." There was no need to react in the way Israel did. Negotiations are always a key for attempts to prevent war or death. Instead to save two soldiers' lives Israel have already lost well over five others. Intelligent tactics? Not really. Both sides have their problems and there won't be much of a way to resolve it because of the Religious differences. That's just the way this world is though, the innocent are the ones that always have to suffer before anyone else.
TheBlackMamba: You proved your point, and I respect it. Even though I may not agree with some of the things you said, your argument was a strong one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post"> Far more damage? Maybe over a period of time. These "dudes" in caves killed approximately 3,000 innocent people in one attack. These "dudes" are very dangerous. They don't strike big like that often, but when they do, it's devestating. </div> think of the 3000 as an tragic premium for controlling the worlds energy suppy. and as charles barkley likes to say "even a broken clock is right twice a day". the last significant stride your government made on the war on terror was arresting some haitian illegals. bravo FBI!!! americans will forever be indebted to your thankless work. the threat ( bearded men in caves) does not exist.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">think of the 3000 as an tragic premium for controlling the worlds energy suppy. and as charles barkley likes to say "even a broken clock is right twice a day". the last significant stride your government made on the war on terror was arresting some haitian illegals. bravo FBI!!! americans will forever be indebted to your thankless work. the threat ( bearded men in caves) does not exist.</div> Does not exist? Are you that ignorant to what's going on today? Do you not see the threat that Hezbollah is offering to Israel. Haitian illegals? I'm sure when those Al-qaida members where in America, they were just some Arab illegals, right? Those illegals sure did cause a lot of damage and destrucion. They killed 3,000 innocent lives. You can think of the 3,000 like that. Anybody with a little bit of respect and dignity will think of them as what they are, innocent victims of hate. Not victims for controlling the energy supply.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Does not exist? Are you that ignorant to what's going on today? Do you not see the threat that Hezbollah is offering to Israel. Haitian illegals? I'm sure when those Al-qaida members where in America, they were just some Arab illegals, right? Those illegals sure did cause a lot of damage and destrucion. They killed 3,000 innocent lives. You can think of the 3,000 like that. Anybody with a little bit of respect and dignity will think of them as what they are, innocent victims of hate. Not victims for controlling the energy supply.</div> its really hard for me to reply- the world is a lot more complicated than the absolutes of right and wrong presented to you by fox news, courtesy of viagara. u are all over the map in your reply, without be insulting u really don't know what your talking about. on the topic of terrorists- theres a a gulf between what u hear and what is real. e.g. believe it or not israel's mossad (intelligence) created Hamas and now the world doesn't recognize hamas democratic victory in palestine.
Maybe I am blinded by American media and their personal bias. Especially after 9/11. If I understand what you're saying, which is that terrorist don't pose a threat? I just don't see how you can say that when they cost over just about 3,000 lives in one attack?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">With all respect, I think you could be wrong. The situation over there is very hostile right now. If Iran wants to provoke the situation any more, they can. Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria, both have crazy leaders. I think if Iran makes any offensive against Israel, you'll see the United States and Britain show physical support for Israel. Then, there is always the chance that North Korea gets involved with this. It might not be a World War, but this, in fact, could become a very dangerous situation.</div> I agree. We shouldn't take this situation too lightly. Afterall, WWI started with a dispute between two nations then escalated to an all out war, largely due to the whole system of having alliances with other countries. Serbia was backed by Britain, France, Russia, etc while Austria was backed by Germany, Bolgaria, Ottoman Empire etc. Much like how Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria and Israel is backed by the US and Britain. It's less likely that this will result in another WW considering the lessons learned from the first two wars, but you never know. The United Nations which was created after WWII to prevent another war is pretty much non-existent (and you can thank a certain president for setting a precedent of not listening to UN orders). Plus, whenever there's a war, some groups always profit from it. Whether it be companies that produce military equipment or companies that take control of resources from conquered nations..... some groups will benefit from war.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe I am blinded by American media and their personal bias. Especially after 9/11. If I understand what you're saying, which is that terrorist don't pose a threat? I just don't see how you can say that when they cost over just about 3,000 lives in one attack?</div> 3000 people a day die of aids, 5000 people a day die of preventable diseases= 8000 people u never heard about that die every day. on september 11-2001- it was 11, 000. fyi, in 1994- 8000 additional people a day were dying for 100 days (= 800, 000) in the rwandan genocide and the world did nothing about it. i ask u this- is 3000 plus 2 kidnapped israeli solidiers worth another war or is it just a diversion from the more critical issues of the world like basic necessities.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">With all respect, I think you could be wrong. The situation over there is very hostile right now. If Iran wants to provoke the situation any more, they can. Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria, both have crazy leaders. I think if Iran makes any offensive against Israel, you'll see the United States and Britain show physical support for Israel. Then, there is always the chance that North Korea gets involved with this. It might not be a World War, but this, in fact, could become a very dangerous situation.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree. We shouldn't take this situation too lightly. Afterall, WWI started with a dispute between two nations then escalated to an all out war, largely due to the whole system of having alliances with other countries. Serbia was backed by Britain, France, Russia, etc while Austria was backed by Germany, Bolgaria, Ottoman Empire etc. Much like how Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria and Israel is backed by the US and Britain. It's less likely that this will result in another WW considering the lessons learned from the first two wars, but you never know. The United Nations which was created after WWII to prevent another war is pretty much non-existent (and you can thank a certain president for setting a precedent of not listening to UN orders). Plus, whenever there's a war, some groups always profit from it. Whether it be companies that produce military equipment or companies that take control of resources from conquered nations..... some groups will benefit from war.</div> I agree about this being a war. But it's nowhere near the level of a World War. There's none of the balance of power that was evident before both World Wars and the Cold War. If it were to come down to a full-blown war, the US and Israel are just too powerful. Also, this will be more about bombing and less about sending in troops. Unfortunately, there will probably be more civilian casualties. However, calling this a potential World War is being ignorant of the past.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">3000 people a day die of aids, 5000 people a day die of preventable diseases= 8000 people u never heard about that die every day. on september 11-2001- it was 11, 000. fyi, in 1994- 8000 additional people a day were dying for 100 days (= 800, 000) in the rwandan genocide and the world did nothing about it. i ask u this- is 3000 plus 2 kidnapped israeli solidiers worth another war or is it just a diversion from the more critical issues of the world like basic necessities.</div> Aids? Preventable diseases? Yes, I understand that but they're not victims of terrorists. So what's your point, why did you bring them into this? No disrespect, I just want to know. I know about the Rwandan genocide. I think 3,000 innocent Americans that died on an attack against the U.S. on U.S. soil gave Bush every right to go after the terrorists, any nation would've. Do I think he did it properly? Hell no. As for Israel, they over-reacted. Because of their overreactions about two soldiers' lives, they've now lost 15+ soliders and killed many innocent civilians, as well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Aids? Preventable diseases? Yes, I understand that but they're not victims of terrorists. So what's your point, why did you bring them into this? No disrespect, I just want to know. I know about the Rwandan genocide. I think 3,000 innocent Americans that died on an attack against the U.S. on U.S. soil gave Bush every right to go after the terrorists, any nation would've. Do I think he did it properly? Hell no. As for Israel, they over-reacted. Because of their overreactions about two soldiers' lives, they've now lost 15+ soliders and killed many innocent civilians, as well.</div> u fell for the setup= u just admitted your belief that american lives are more worthwhile than "others".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree about this being a war. But it's nowhere near the level of a World War. There's none of the balance of power that was evident before both World Wars and the Cold War. If it were to come down to a full-blown war, the US and Israel are just too powerful. Also, this will be more about bombing and less about sending in troops. Unfortunately, there will probably be more civilian casualties. However, calling this a potential World War is being ignorant of the past.</div> I agree that it's very unlikely that this will result in another world war, but there's still a chance that this could get a lot worse. From what I've learned about past wars is that it's never just about countries having beef with other countries. There's a lot of instances where nations take advantage of these situations for their own benefit. And we just witnessed it with the War in Iraq where it had more to do with controlling oil than fighting terrorism.... This will most likely not escalate to another WW, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if other countries decide to join in b/c of ulterior interests.
