<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iceman:</div><div class="quote_post">I wonder how anyone can say that Wilt's 100 pt game was more impressive then Kobe's 81.Has anyone even seen Wilt's game?No.So i dont know how it was more impressive.Wilt was making hooks and dunks against 6.9 guys while Kobe had to score from near 3PT and he did that with even higher % in that game.</div> lmao, this is the biggest case of bias I think i've ever seen. You contradicted yourself somthing shocking, saying how no one has seen Wilts 100 game, which is true, then you go on to say how exactly he scored his 100 points. 100 > 81. Case closed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">First and foremost, Abdul Jabar's first season was the '69-'70 season. Wilt played 12 games that year and never truly dominated afterwards, with his highest PPG being 20.7 ppg over his last three seasons, as he saw his PPG drop each season, all the way down to 13.2 in his last season. Bob Lanier, like Kareem, came in at the end of Wilt's career as well, as he came during the '70-'71 season. Nate Thurmond, while very good, wasn't dominant. He averaged only 15ppg for his career and shot only 42% from the floor, a FG% you'd expect from a shooting guard, not a big man. Unseld, like Kareem and Lanier, came during the end of Wilt's career as well, as he came during the '69-'70 season. Hayes, like pretty much everyone else I've mentioned, came during the end of his career as well, but a year earlier in the '68-'69 season. The only person that you mentioned that was there for a large portion of Wilt's career, and he was quite good. But everyone else came during the latter part of Wilt's career when he wasn't nearly as dominant as he used to be. So, that's a pretty bad argument on your part....shoulda done a little research.</div> Damn Moo, you're bringing the meat today. Nice job. This is what I had been alluding to. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I did watch the Finals, but I'm not sure if you realize this, but the reason why guys get to the lane so easily is because of their athleticism. Just look at years past before the hand check fouls came in. Kobe was doing it regularly. MJ did it his entire career. TMac was doing it all the time as well. Chauncey Billups, Allen Iverson, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, all of them doing it on a regular basis. So, it's not completely due in part to the rule change, it's simply because these guys are good. There too athletic and too quick for a lot of perimeter defenders to defend. If scorers can't keep up with defenders, why is it that guards are continually leading the league in scoring? Cause, last I looked, the top 6 scorers in the league this past season were guards or small forwards, and 9 of the top 10. The only big in that was Dirk, and he plays more like a 3 than a 4. If we go back to '04-'05, the year before the hand check thing was implicated, it's more of the same. Three of the top 5 and 8 of the top 10, the only bigs being Dirk and Amare. Go back to '03-'04, more of the same. Leading scorer was a guard, 7 of the top 10 were guards/sfs, the only not in those positions were KG, Dirk, and Duncan. In '02-'03, the top 3 were guards and 4 of the top 5. I'm sure by now, you've gotten what I'm saying. For quite some time now, guards have dominated the league in scoring. It's not just this season. It's been going on for quite some time now.</div> Quite a deep post indeed. I thought it was common knowledge but apparently not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> These are some odd statements right here. First and foremost, it's not possible to get to the line every time you touch the ball and drive to the lane. Eventually, a call isn't going to go your way or the ref isn't going to call a foul. You're essentially saying that the ref will bail him out every time, which is not true. Next, Wade and LeBron score a lot of the points in the lane, but they also realize they have to take jumpers occasionally. If you're going to be driving to the lane every time, you're going to get double teamed or they're going to drop to a zone, they're going to find a way to stop you. If you didn't notice, but a lot of Wade's points come off of jumpers. Partly because defenses make their gameplans to stop him and partly cause he realizes he needs it. You can't keep going to the lane every time, as I stated earlier. Aside from those reasons, you take a lot of abuse going to the lane, and that takes a huge toll on your body. And also, while they may make it look effortless, it's not. It's a lot harder than what it looks. And also, seeing as how your name says Iverson, I'm going to assume you're an Iverson fan, therefore your AI point is out of bias. Face it. While he may be quick, quick doesn't always equate to an easy route to the hoop. The fact that he's so small and undersized kills him. If he's driving to the hoop time and time again, he's going to get hurt. His body has taken an abuse because he drove in a lot when he was younger. Now that he's gotten older, he realizes his body can't sustain that for an 82 game season, hence the reason why he shoots more jumpers. It's smart basketball from a career standpoint on his part. And the successful scorer part is false. There's plenty of quick people in the league. You need a lot more than quicks to score in this league. If you're one dimensional with no jumper, you don't get to the NBA. You have to be able to score in a variety of ways in todays NBA, which is why you see the likes of Kobe and LeBron and Wade on top of the league in scoring. They score every way possible. Jumpers, treys, midrange, layups, dunks, free throws. Everything. You can't be one dimensional if you're going to be a scorer. Another thing, guards get in the lane in a variety of ways. Outside of blasting by the defender, there's this wonderful thing called a screen. Good players know how to take advantage of that. Pump fakes are another good way to get an opening to the lane, and you surely don't have to be quick to utilize that. Backdoor cuts off of a screen are a nice way as well. Double teams on a teammate also help, especially if you're the one they leave, cause then there is a possibilty no one is defending you, leaving you with a bit of a lane as well. So, as you can see, plenty of ways to get to the lane. Why do you think slower people like Antoine Walker get to the hoop with ease.</div> Yes those were embarassing statements. Also, some of you are soft or delicate. You people consider calling someone lazy or telling one to read the whole post, an insult, that is hilarious. Don't whine so much and make logical points or stick to the topic. Obviously the Free throw thing was always some kind of farce, that sounded demented.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">lmao, this is the biggest case of bias I think i've ever seen. You contradicted yourself somthing shocking, saying how no one has seen Wilts 100 game, which is true, then you go on to say how exactly he scored his 100 points. 100 > 81. Case closed.</div> lol, i was just about to post the exact same thing
I think Kobe's 81 is better because of better D. Noone could stop Wilt, cause he was so tall and big. There was no 3 second violation so they gave the ball to Wilt and if he missed, he collected his own rebound and tried again. I know that Toronto didnt defend Kobe good but its veery hard to score 81 TODAY. So Kobe's game was better i think.
I don't know why "defense was better today/before" is a factor in all this. We're talking about two teams that gave up 100 and 81pts. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SpeeJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Kobe's 81 is better because of better D. Noone could stop Wilt, cause he was so tall and big. There was no 3 second violation so they gave the ball to Wilt and if he missed, he collected his own rebound and tried again. I know that Toronto didnt defend Kobe good but its veery hard to score 81 TODAY. So Kobe's game was better i think.</div>lol there never was a 3 second violation in basketball, that and a lot more rules were added to be able to level the playing field against Wilt Chamberlain.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">lol there never was a 3 second violation in basketball, that and a lot more rules were added to be able to level the playing field against Wilt Chamberlain.</div>Never heard or a defensive/offensive three second violation? Shaq was called for plenty of 'em in the NBA Finals.
aite we can debate forever on the points made in this thread. but everyone knows Wilts 100 > Kobe's 81
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting azn_iverson:</div><div class="quote_post">aite we can debate forever on the points made in this thread. but everyone knows Wilts 100 > Kobe's 81</div>No, not everyone. I don't believe it. That's your opinion, and quite frankly, you haven't really made any points to prove whether or not you're right.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting azn_iverson:</div><div class="quote_post">100 is more than 81.</div>That doesn't make it more impressive, that's just stating the obvious.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post"> lol there never was a 3 second violation in basketball, that and a lot more rules were added to be able to level the playing field against Wilt Chamberlain.</div> actually that was mikan the rules were changed for, quite a few years before wilt.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">actually that was mikan the rules were changed for, quite a few years before wilt.</div>It was 13 years to be exact.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">It was 13 years to be exact.</div> which is quite a few...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">aite we can debate forever on the points made in this thread. but everyone knows Wilts 100 > Kobe's 81</div>If everyone knew 100 > 81, then there never really was a debate to begin with.. don't contradict yourself lil homie. BTW, lol @ this thread turning into a lesson on semantics.
alright, i know i've said this before, but im gonna post it again. If it was so easy for wilt, then how come no one else could get anywhere close to his numbers within 10 years of his prime???? There were HOF's during those times, and none of them could even come close. No we compare that to kobe's 81, and we have people getting 50's and 60's quite a bit, so i'd say that it was much harder for wilt to get 100 than kobe's 81. Plus 3's, and free throws factor in (wilt earned his trips, kobe was givin them).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">alright, i know i've said this before, but im gonna post it again. If it was so easy for wilt, then how come no one else could get anywhere close to his numbers within 10 years of his prime???? There were HOF's during those times, and none of them could even come close. No we compare that to kobe's 81, and we have people getting 50's and 60's quite a bit, so i'd say that it was much harder for wilt to get 100 than kobe's 81. Plus 3's, and free throws factor in (wilt earned his trips, kobe was givin them).</div>Not sure if you realize this, but not a whole lot of people are dropping 50 or 60. LeBron, Kobe, Iverson....that's about it. Wade didn't, Melo didn't, etc. And the reason why no one came close was because no one was nearly as dominant as him. He was bigger and stronger than anyone else in the league at that time. And again, no other big really threatened him...ever. There was one good big around for the duration of his career, and that was Bill Russell. No one could guard...period. That's why he could do what he did.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">That doesn't make it more impressive, that's just stating the obvious.</div> Exactly...it's obvious 100 is more than 81...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Never heard or a defensive/offensive three second violation? Shaq was called for plenty of 'em in the NBA Finals.</div>Shaq? Did you understand my post? Just asking cuz you brought up Shaq when I was talking about an era when they didn't have 3 second violations. Either way your sarcasm got through loud and clear <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">actually that was mikan the rules were changed for, quite a few years before wilt.</div>I'm pretty sure the goal tending was instituted for Wilt after his 50ppg/25rpg season and probably because he would block a lot of shots that would be goal tending today. You're probably right about the 3 second violation for Mikan, don't know about that one, I just assumed it was Wilt. Either way my point is that the game was changed to make it harder for the Goliaths and to make it easier for the Davids.
I personally think that Kobe's 81 was more impressive than Wilt's 100. Sure, I know 100 is more than 81, but Kobe did score his points in a more impressive era. You guys are saying things like why can't people like Shaq score that many points, but it is clearly because of the rules today. Shaq can score almost everytime he gets close enough to the net, and if like in Wilt's day, there was no 3 second violation then he could just stand there, recieve the pass and turn around and dunk. Now days the centers/forwards must work harder to get into easy scoring positions. Also, Wilt was one of the only big 7 foot centres at his time, so there was basically nobody that could even try to stop him besides Russell. Both Wilt and Kobe have are very impressive in scoring that many points, but Kobe's is just more impressive. P.S. Wasn't Kobe taken off early in the 4th? I know in Wilt's case the game was called off with 40 or so seconds left; the whhole crowd just ran on the floor when he scored his 100th point.
a more impressive era? It was against the Raptors. Same for Wilt against the Knicks. They're just players and obviously neither team did a good job defensively.
