<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Take Boston Celtics guard Paul Pierce off the prospective 2007 free-agent board for the Magic. Pierce has agreed to a three-year, $60 million extension with the Celts (and who in his right mind wouldn't?). Turns out, my spies say the Magic would not have made a bid on Pierce. Look for them to show love for New Jersey Nets forward Vince Carter or Dallas Mavericks forward Josh Howard next summer. </div> Source It will be interesting to see if VC stays loyal to the team, that gave him a second chance.
why didnt they take him for francis before .....i wouldnt be surprised if he went cause he was raised near there
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting michiganave17:</div><div class="quote_post">Nelson Reddick Carter Howard Darko Thats kind of sick. Do It Vince DO IT!!!!!</div>
If Vince want to win a championship sooner than later and if he doesn?t want to be in a situation like what he had In Toronto (rebuilding) I think the best move he can do is stay with the NETS, but if his just looking for cash and being closer to his family he will sign with the Magics. I think we have a Off-season soap opera in the making here!
^^^ Actually the Magic look more promising for a championship then the Nets do. Jason Kidd isn't getting any younger and aside from Nenad and RJ, they don't really have talents in heaps and bounds...definetly not enough to make a playoff run to the Finals. If he signed with the Magic in 2007, he'd be second only to Dwight on that team and with a big man as domininating as I believe DW will be, along with Jameer Nelson (a pass first point guard), that Orlando team would be DEADLY. And I haven't even mentioned DARKO and the possibility of JJ Reddick transforming into a decent NBA player....wow that is actually quite a scary prospect if he joins the Magic in '07.
howard will eventualy be better than amare. maybe in the next 2 years. But Howard is gonna have a Great season next year barring injury.Howard continues to get better and better each year. In fact how about tyrus and noch and sweetney for howard and whomever.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">^^^ Actually the Magic look more promising for a championship then the Nets do. Jason Kidd isn't getting any younger and aside from Nenad and RJ, they don't really have talents in heaps and bounds...definetly not enough to make a playoff run to the Finals. If he signed with the Magic in 2007, he'd be second only to Dwight on that team and with a big man as domininating as I believe DW will be, along with Jameer Nelson (a pass first point guard), that Orlando team would be DEADLY. And I haven't even mentioned DARKO and the possibility of JJ Reddick transforming into a decent NBA player....wow that is actually quite a scary prospect if he joins the Magic in '07.</div> No talent aside from Nenad and RJ? Ever heard of Marcus Williams? Antoine Wright? Marcus will be a starter, and when he does after Kidd, it will be Marcus, RJ, Carter, still need to find someone, Nenad. That's "DEADLY" in itself. Marcus will be a better pro than JJ, RJ will be a better second fiddle, and Nenad will be one of the best role players. Wright off the bench will be 6th man of the year like, if he stays. Secondly, watch more Jameer Nelson. He isn't a pass first point gaurd. He's a shoot first. People think he's pass first because he played next to Steve Francis, where passing gas makes anyone more of a pass-first point gaurd. This is not to say Jameer isn't good, but he's more of a scoring gaurd like Terry, Mike James, etc. However, he's significantly undersized to them, but he has a good IQ and doesn't force too much....Either way, he won't be beter than Marcus Williams. Dwight would be the main lure, as well as being in sunny Florida, but the Nets can offer him the most money. I'd be sure be interested in what they offer Carter when Dwight is going to want an extension next season. It'll have to be max, so around 60 million for him. Darko is going to want one too, probably around 50-60 seeing how bigs with talent are being overpaid. And lets not forget Jameer Nelson, who will want a significant extension, one bigger than the MLE.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">No talent aside from Nenad and RJ? Ever heard of Marcus Williams? Antoine Wright? Marcus will be a starter, and when he does after Kidd, it will be Marcus, RJ, Carter, still need to find someone, Nenad. That's "DEADLY" in itself. Marcus will be a better pro than JJ, RJ will be a better second fiddle, and Nenad will be one of the best role players. Wright off the bench will be 6th man of the year like, if he stays.</div> While the Nets will probably be a talented young team in 2007, there is no way they will be closer to a championship than Orlando. All of the young talent on the Magic hasn't reached it's prime yet and they still finished off last season as one of the hottest teams in league. Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Darko Milicic, J.J. Redick, and Trevor Ariza is a scary starting lineup even without Vince Carter. A lot of people underate the Magic because they aren't on national television much and because they don't get the press that other teams do. There is a good chance that we will make the playoffs this year and they might even have a higher seed than the Nets if guys like Darko and Redick pan out. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Secondly, watch more Jameer Nelson. He isn't a pass first point gaurd. He's a shoot first. People think he's pass first because he played next to Steve Francis, where passing gas makes anyone more of a pass-first point gaurd. This is not to say Jameer isn't good, but he's more of a scoring gaurd like Terry, Mike James, etc. However, he's significantly undersized to them, but he has a good IQ and doesn't force too much....Either way, he won't be beter than Marcus Williams.</div> I agree with everything you said until the last line. How can you say Marcus Williams is going to be better than Jameer Nelson? Williams has never stepped onto an NBA court and if you're basing it off of their college performances, then obviously Jameer wins because he was the Naismith player of the year in 2004. It's too early to judge who will be better. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Dwight would be the main lure, as well as being in sunny Florida, but the Nets can offer him the most money. I'd be sure be interested in what they offer Carter when Dwight is going to want an extension next season. It'll have to be max, so around 60 million for him. Darko is going to want one too, probably around 50-60 seeing how bigs with talent are being overpaid. And lets not forget Jameer Nelson, who will want a significant extension, one bigger than the MLE.</div> Another reason Vince would want to come to Florida is because he grew up here and his family is all here. We will have enough money to sign all of these players because of the Steve Francis deal we made midway through last season. We have plenty of money and things to lure Vince. Too bad the Magic fans don't want him.
I'm sure Vince's cousin, Tracy might have a word to say to Vince before even thinking about going to Orlando. Also, I'd like to see Vince stay in New Jersey or maybe to New York.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">While the Nets will probably be a talented young team in 2007, there is no way they will be closer to a championship than Orlando. All of the young talent on the Magic hasn't reached it's prime yet and they still finished off last season as one of the hottest teams in league. Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Darko Milicic, J.J. Redick, and Trevor Ariza is a scary starting lineup even without Vince Carter. A lot of people underate the Magic because they aren't on national television much and because they don't get the press that other teams do. There is a good chance that we will make the playoffs this year and they might even have a higher seed than the Nets if guys like Darko and Redick pan out.</div> Well I wasn't going to say that the Nets had more talent than Orlando, just that there is a good future for this team as well. Dwight is one of the top 3 most talented players in this league (I'd say LeBron, Dwight, and Amare) and is a sure-fire superstar if he gains consistent post moves. But our future is not so shabby with RJ, Nenad, Marcus Williams. That's an excellent core that VC will play with for atleast one more season and could sway him to stay. If Boone turns out to be consistent, which I have my serious doubts on, then the better. However, you are right to say that the Magic have a way better future as of now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with everything you said until the last line. How can you say Marcus Williams is going to be better than Jameer Nelson? Williams has never stepped onto an NBA court and if you're basing it off of their college performances, then obviously Jameer wins because he was the Naismith player of the year in 2004. It's too early to judge who will be better.</div> I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure. Just like I was sure that Chris Paul, Felton, Deron Williams, were going to be better than Jameer before they stepped on an NBA floor. Potential. Even when Jameer had better college career than all of them, though Deron's magic season could be comparable. Jameer, despite being rugged and having good work ethic and competitive fire, doesn' thave the ceiling that Marcus has. He's undersized and doesn't have blinding quickness. He's strong, rugged, and smart, which will get him a solid to good player. The thing holding Marcus back is his head. Though he has great vision, he breaks down in the clutch and is either the hero or the reason they lose..but I think under Jason he'll become a good to great player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Another reason Vince would want to come to Florida is because he grew up here and his family is all here.</div> This is true, but it could also be a reason he doesn't want to be there. Tracy forced out even though his family is there. Tim Thomas has said he didn't want to go back to Jersey. Andre Miller said he didn't want to be in Utah cause his friends and family would distract him. Steve Francis didn't want to return home to Maryland/DC Area back when he was on Houston. It can and it cannot work. It depends on the guy. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">e will have enough money to sign all of these players because of the Steve Francis deal we made midway through last season.</div> A lot of money does come off next season when Hill's, Battie's, and Garrity's contract comes off, but Orlando intends to sign someone big this summer. Penny's came off so they are in a good situation. Like I said before though, Vince can get the most money in New Jersey since they have his Bird's rights. So if money is the issue, he'll stay here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Source It will be interesting to see if VC stays loyal to the team, that gave him a second chance.</div> Haha, the team that gave him a 2nd chance? They gave away all their useless players to get him, so essentially they gave nothing for him, in fact, he's given them everything. Pound for pound excluding Carter the Nets are worst than the worst team in the NBA, they're really lucky to have him. They should feel lucky that he even decided to try playing hard for them, there is no reason for him to be loyal, they have offered him nothing that he couldn't have done with any other crappy team.
Carter has given what?! All Carter has done is use his time to clean up his stats. What work he has put out is for himself and not for the team. And YES... The Nets gave him a second chance. And you say that the Nets got him for nothing? Maybe thats because no other team wants him, thats why the Nets got him for almost nothing... so in that, The Nets gave him a second chance. Carter is a good player to have, I will even admit that, but even without him the Nets can get to the playoffs... Carter is out for himself. He's out for his own glory. He's a player who is not willing to sacrifice for the team. Here's a player who was refusing to give up his ALL-STAR starting spot for Michael Jordan... Michael Jordan... Probably the best Player in basketball history... Allen Iverson and the others were not going to play if MJ didn't start... Carter couldn't give up his spot on his own. Carter has no RESPECT!
^Nobody respects your ridiculous opinions on the nets' forum so quit posting please. Without Vince, the Nets don't make the playoffs. Who's going to start at the two? Wright? Murray? Eric Williams? When it came down to it, why did Carter have to give up his all-star spot for MJ? Why not Iverson or McGrady? Why did the leading vote-getter in the East have to give up his spot? Why did Jordan have to start anyway? The fans didn't want him to according to the voting, and he clearly didn't deserve it for his play that season. If Malone made a comeback this season and made the all-star game, would somebody have to give up their spot for him? Doesn't make sense to me...
Also, Carter allegedly volunteered to give up his spot. He did it before the game, so the reporters had been exeggerating.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter has given what?! All Carter has done is use his time to clean up his stats. What work he has put out is for himself and not for the team. And YES... The Nets gave him a second chance. And you say that the Nets got him for nothing? Maybe thats because no other team wants him, thats why the Nets got him for almost nothing... so in that, The Nets gave him a second chance. Carter is a good player to have, I will even admit that, but even without him the Nets can get to the playoffs... Carter is out for himself. He's out for his own glory. He's a player who is not willing to sacrifice for the team. Here's a player who was refusing to give up his ALL-STAR starting spot for Michael Jordan... Michael Jordan... Probably the best Player in basketball history... Allen Iverson and the others were not going to play if MJ didn't start... Carter couldn't give up his spot on his own. Carter has no RESPECT!</div> Lucky he used his time to clean up his stats, cuz it shows that no one else on the nets can do it if they clearly keep defering to Carter. He passes a lot for the Nets, they're absolutely garbage without him, he definitely put them back on the map, anyone else could agree to that. If the nets were clearly dominant, and they received Carter, THEN they would have been perceived to have given him a second chance, but instead, they were pretty down before he got there, and he gave them a new light beyond Kenyon Martin, and brought them far, made them even think they were as good as they were when they reached the finals. He sacrifices enough for his team, trust me, Nets are lucky to have him. Who cares about giving up All star spots or not? How far back do you want to go? The votes were in where he was the leading vote getter, at least honour NBA regulations. The fans clearly wanted him to be a starter, and in the end they had to give it to Jordan. And why should he give it to Jordan for? Jordan had his own time, should everyone just bow down before him? Then why not have Jordan give up his spot for someone before his time? That was an aimless quote. The fact of the matter is that New Jersey wouldn't be anywhere right now without Carter. If he does leave, you'll notice a huge difference in the confidence of the nets.
