<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Alright, so "most foreign players". Peja thrived in the halfcourt sets that Adelman employed with the Kings, Dirk plays like an MVP candidate on the Mavericks with Johnson's emphasis on defense and halfcourt style, while injuries aside Kirilenko is a basketball freak on Sloan's more conservative system. In my opinion, Van Gundy's offensive sets are fine, as long as our guys can keep up with the other team on defense. The reason why the offense seemed so sluggish last season was none of our players really made shots with Yao and McGrady missing in action. It took nearly the entire season for Alston to get out of his slump, Wesley had an injury that effected his shooting stroke for half the season, while all the other guys just couldn't get the ball into the basket.</div> Um not quite. Adelman ran a uptempo fastbreak offense in Sacramento, when Pedja had his best years. Dirk is Dirk, the exception. Van Gundy's sets are terrible. It took him 2yrs to figure out how to effectivley use Yao. If he had used Yao like he used him the 2nd half of last season in the playoffs, we'd had won that series. There is absolutley no movement in the system, Tmac does 100% of all the playmaking. Every possession is a set play, and players look stiff and scared to take shots. So basically, we depend on two players to do most of the scoring while the other players watch.
We really should make our coaching staff like one from the NFL we should make Jeff Van Gundy the defensive cordinator/ head coach and make Stan Van GUndy the offensive cordinator.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Um not quite. Adelman ran a uptempo fastbreak offense in Sacramento, when Pedja had his best years. Dirk is Dirk, the exception. Van Gundy's sets are terrible. It took him 2yrs to figure out how to effectivley use Yao. If he had used Yao like he used him the 2nd half of last season in the playoffs, we'd had won that series. There is absolutley no movement in the system, Tmac does 100% of all the playmaking. Every possession is a set play, and players look stiff and scared to take shots. So basically, we depend on two players to do most of the scoring while the other players watch.</div> Adelman employed both halfcourt and fastbreak offenses to bring the best out of his players. If they just kept running and running, how the hell would Brad Miller ever be the player he is today? Miller is known for his pick and pops and his sets where he goes up to the top of the key to find open men with his passing. After Jason Williams left, the Kings offense slowed down a bit on the fastbreak. And oh, you seem to have ignored my comment about Kirilenko. Okur seems to be doing pretty well for himself too in Sloan's offense. First off, Yao two years ago is not the Yao that we have right now. He considerably got better with his own mentality and skills (two years ago his post skills weren't as good as they are now). Its not like Van Gundy is doing anything differently with the offense that got us to the playoffs two seasons ago. Really? McGrady does 100% of the playmaking? If he does, maybe its because this team lacks a playmaker other than him. But more than likely, its not, because we would not have won a single game without McGrady if absolutely no plays were being made. The players looked scared last season when they took shots because their shooting sucked. Our players looked out of a funk last season and kept having cold hands because of injuries, or were having a case of the Ryan Bowen. They got open shots from Van Gundy's sets, they just couldn't knock them down.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Adelman employed both halfcourt and fastbreak offenses to bring the best out of his players. If they just kept running and running, how the hell would Brad Miller ever be the player he is today? Miller is known for his pick and pops and his sets where he goes up to the top of the key to find open men with his passing. After Jason Williams left, the Kings offense slowed down a bit on the fastbreak. And oh, you seem to have ignored my comment about . Okur seems to be doing pretty well for himself too in Sloan's offense. First off, Yao two years ago is not the Yao that we have right now. He considerably got better with his own mentality and skills (two years ago his post skills weren't as good as they are now). Its not like Van Gundy is doing anything differently with the offense that got us to the playoffs two seasons ago.</div> How did Adelman run a consistent half court offense with post options? Nobody on that Kings team had much of a post game, even Chris Webber who stayed out on the perimiter and shot jumpers 90% of the time. Kirilenko isn't even that much of a offensive threat, he'll get you some jumpers but he also get's alot of put backs. My point is most Foreign players thrive in an uptempo offense, comin off screens is the closet thing you get to half court for them. With Spanoulis, Van Gundy might slow his progress up. The only point guards he's brought to Houston have been slow, old, and washed up. Not sayin that this guy doesn't stand a chance, but if Van Gundy doesn't loosen up the offense the kid will suffer. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Aznxballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Really? McGrady does 100% of the playmaking? If he does, maybe its because this team lacks a playmaker other than him. But more than likely, its not, because we would not have won a single game without McGrady if absolutely no plays were being made. The players looked scared last season when they took shots because their shooting sucked. Our players looked out of a funk last season and kept having cold hands because of injuries, or were having a case of the Ryan Bowen. They got open shots from Van Gundy's sets, they just couldn't knock them down.</div> The player did suck at shooting last year, but the team lacked energy and there was virtually no movement in the offense. Player stood around and waited for Yao to score. Instead of setting back picks, screens, and making sharp cuts, the offense became stagnant. I'd disagree with the opens shots theory took. We so often didn't even get off a shot because by the time the play was over, the shotclock went off.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">How did Adelman run a consistent half court offense with post options? Nobody on that Kings team had much of a post game, even Chris Webber who stayed out on the perimiter and shot jumpers 90% of the time.</div> They ran a high post offense. You've heard the term "Princeton Offense" by commentators to describe what the Kings did the past 5 or 6 years, right? That's their half-court offense. It was the signature characteristic of the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">They ran a high post offense. You've heard the term "Princeton Offense" by commentators to describe what the Kings did the past 5 or 6 years, right? That's their half-court offense. It was the signature characteristic of the team.</div> No, they were a run and gun team. They did have a decent half court game but they were also known gettin out and running (even with Bibby)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">No, they were a run and gun team. They did have a decent half court game but they were also known gettin out and running (even with Bibby)</div> I'm not disagreeing with you, but they had a very distinctive half-court offense which Peja excelled in.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">We really should make our coaching staff like one from the NFL we should make Jeff Van Gundy the defensive cordinator/ head coach and make Stan Van GUndy the offensive cordinator.</div> You do know that in football, there are stoppages in play after an offensive possession where you can regroup and position your defense right? In basketball, offense and defense are tied together. You don't see a team leading the league in points scored and is also the best team in points allowed. How you are on offense relates to how you are defensively, and vice versa.
Well in football there is one difference compared to basketball. Football every down is a new situation where they can bring in guys that can do certain things and etc. In basketball teams can just go into their specific zone or whatever with a simple hand motion from the coach. It is not as hard to set up defense in basketball as it is in football. This is also where discipline comes in because players have to adjust to 2 different styles. The sad part is Locke is right that it won't work because if JVG likes Deke, Battier, and Tmac as his prime defensive stoppers and keeps them in the game, when the Rockets shift to offense then obviously our offensive coordinator would want Tmac, Yao, Battier meaning they would have to call timeout to sub Yao back in game wasting a timeout. That is why complete players have high value.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">In basketball, offense and defense are tied together. You don't see a team leading the league in points scored and is also the best team in points allowed. </div> Actually, the Bulls in 1996 did just that. Not points per game (which I think is a useless measurement of offense/defense), but points per 100 possessions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, the Bulls in 1996 did just that. Not points per game (which I think is a useless measurement of offense/defense), but points per 100 possessions.</div> Well, that I'd never known about, but it certainly helps when you have two of the league's best scorers who are also top defenders. Dennis Rodman was also a key piece, as was Ron Harper. Pretty much, they had the perfect roster, with every starter capable of both scoring and defending.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, that I'd never known about, but it certainly helps when you have two of the league's best scorers who are also top defenders. Dennis Rodman was also a key piece, as was Ron Harper. Pretty much, they had the perfect roster, with every starter capable of both scoring and defending.</div> Well I wouldn't go that far... Rodman and Longley were not exactly scorers. At least Longley could hit an open 15 footer. Rodman, well... he'd heave a 3 pointer at least once a game and then get "a look" from Phil.
