<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">WTHR.com - According to WHTR 13 in Indianapolis, a deal has been completed that will send Al Harrington to the Indiana Pacers . The full details of the trade are yet to be released, but RealGM.com will continue to update our users as the deal becomes official. The Pacers have a $7.5 million trade exception, which will likely be involved in the deal. The Warriors and Bulls were the two other teams believed to be most interested in acquiring Harrington.</div> Source Now what do we do?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Source Now what do we do?</div> Well, the first thing I'm going to do is breathe a sigh of relief. Whew. Okay, now that that's out of the way, I'm going to start looking at potential deals for players that are a better fit for this team than Harrington. The Warriors have one of the highest pay rolls in the league, too high to pay $15-20 mil a year for Harrington and Dunleavy. I'd be ok with them having one or the other, but not both. While I still think Dunleavy is a good fit for this team, they need to have at least one of their front court players be low post scorers. A well constructed team is going to have one forward with an outside game and one with an inside game. Harrington would have fit well on the same team as Murphy, as Harrington is more of an inside guy and Murphy is more of an outside guy. But, if Diogu is the Warriors' future at power forward, then they need their small forward to mainly be a perimeter player, enter Dunleavy. The other thing that makes Dunleavy a better fit is that most teams have either two or three primary scorers. The Warriors already have two in Richardson and Davis, if they're going to have a third, it has to be a post player. While Harrington is more of a post player than Murphy or Dunleavy, he's still not a consistent, reliable post threat. The Warriors main goal from here on out is to either acquire one through trade or develop one of their bigs. And when they do get that post threat, I'd be much happier having Dunleavy on the perimeter, not needing touches to be effective, than Harrington clogging up the lane. And really, if Harrington is not scoring, what is he doing for the team? So where do the Warriors go from here. The two things they should be doing is 1) getting rid of Foyle and 2) making a decision on whether one of their young bigs is that post scorer. I love Foyle as a person, but he doesn't fit on the team anymore. He's got an a bad contract (though to be fair, there are many worse contracts in the league), but more importantly, his spot in the rotation is hindering the development of the Warriors' young bigs. If Mullin could move Foyle for expiring contracts the way he did with Fisher, he will have done an admirable job of fixing his two biggest mistakes as a GM without any major repercussions. The hardest question Mullin has to answer is what to do with the rest of the big men. Murphy isn't a great fit next to Dunleavy, at least not as long as Foyle is in the line up because there is no post scoring. If Mullin decides that Biedrins or Taft is now ready to be that post threat, great, problem solved. If Mullin decides it's O'Bryant in a year or two, he'll have a stickier situation because he doesn't know if O'Bryant will develop, and by that time he'll have to make a decision on resigning Biedrins. If Mullin decides it's Diogu, then he needs to find a new home for Murphy, hopefully for an expiring contract and a future pick. If Mullin decides that none of the young guys are the answer, then he needs to swing a deal for a player who is, whether it be for an allstar like Jermaine O'neil, an aging vet like Ilgauskas, or a young kid with promise like David West. And I don't think Murphy's contract will keep him from being moved. Just look around the league and you'll see that Murphy is getting the going rate for a player of his caliber. Hey, just look at Nene. He just signed a similar contract (for $60 mil to Murphy's $58) and Murphy has certainly outperformed him over the past three years.
Whew!!! I'm glad we don't have Harrington for all the reasons Wtwalker mentioned and mainly because I don't think Harrington will solve our problems down the road. Anytime we get a non-franchise player tweener it causes so many problems in player roles, defense ability, and team direction and guys fitting in correctly... If one looks at any play-off team they got 3 scorers, two glue guys + a good bench with one or two small/big defensive stoppers. We just have problems trying to find a good starting five. If we go Davis/Richardson/Ike, that just leaves center and small forward. Since we have 3 guys that could be future centers, Mullin needs to feverishly work on finding a small forward that could play some guard much like ex-King Doug Christie did for Bibby and Peja and Divac/Miller do in the high post. If we're looking at different type of scoring team, look at the suns. Nash/Marion/Stoudamire are primary scorers, then they got Joe Johnson/Diaw as secondary guards and some other defensive stoppers or ball movers like Raja Bell. Like Larry Bird said, "It's not who scores the ball, it's who gets the ball to the scorers." Well, we just need to find better than Dunleavy and Foyle. That might be soon if Mullin pulls the right deal that makes sense. Unfortunately we probably got 1 big player that few guys want and lots of players other teams are unsure about. If guys like Dunleavy and Pietrus play hot, I wouldn't be against shipping them off before they get cold again. Just as long as we get some good stuff in return.
Look at the source. I did last night. It's RealGM saying that somebody heard the information on a radio station, WHTR 13 in Indianapolis. They actually mispelled it. It's WTHR 13. This is the only place that this information has been cited. However, go to this radio station's site: http://www.wthr.com/ They make no mention of it. However they do mention Othella Harrington traded to the Bobcats. I'd say don't breath your sigh of relief yet until this "offical" release is made official.
Look at the source. I did last night. It's RealGM saying that the information was reported on WHTR 13 in Indianapolis. They actually mispelled it. It's WTHR 13. This is the only place that this information has been cited. However, if you go to this station's site: http://www.wthr.com/ You'll find they make no mention of it. However they do mention Othella Harrington traded to the Bobcats. I'd say don't breath your sigh of relief yet until this "official" release is made official.
I think this trade deadline should be interesting. The irony, is that this is pretty much the same players that everyone was calling for a 6th place finish at the start of last season. And now Biedrins is 1 year more mature, Jrich is a proven gamer, Ellis and Ike look solid, Baron looks fit. Pietrus and Dunleavy took the big steps backwards, but they still can play. We all know that there's no balance to this team, but they can still get off to a hot start. If that happens, then a big trade will probably come around the all-star break.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">And now Biedrins is 1 year more mature, Jrich is a proven gamer, Ellis and Ike look solid, Baron looks fit.</div> Plus GS picked up Patrick "Sky-Hooks & Cheesecakes" O'Bryant, so there's that too.
Harrington hasn't officially gone anywhere yet. But if the trade does go down, and as usual, I think wtwalker's insights are right on with mine. So what do we do? Free agency is pretty much over, there are very few players left that would make a huge impact. There's no great wings out there - Trevor Ariza is likely to get matched by Orlando, Jared Jeffries is probably going to get resigned, and Bonzi Wells is always a big mystery. For bigs, Lorenzen Wright and Michael Olowakandi are unfortunately not big upgrades from Foyle (although they'd be way cheaper if we could jettison Foyle). Gooden, Wilcox, and Evans are likely to find other suitors. So, I would just like to expand on the speculation about possible trades. Now, Murphy, while valuable as a big, probably isn't too valuable because many teams have young talent who they want to develop or are like the Warriors, having bad contracts they need to dump. Teams without a starting PF: Seattle (trying to resign Chris Wilcox) Cleveland (ditto with Drew Gooden) Teams possibly looking to move their PF and may need another: Utah (Boozer) Denver (Martin) Portland (Randolph) There are about 8 more teams that Murphy would upgrade, but not all of them seem that interested. Thus, these three teams are probably the ones left that might strongly consider Murphy: Houston (starting Juwan Howard) New Jersey (moves Krstic to Center) New York (likely starting David Lee or Channing Frye) For Houston, there's not much young talent to get, nor pieces that the Warriors need, most of their contracts are past a year and the contracts don't add up very well to just get an expiring contract, unless they have a trade exception somewhere. The same goes for New Jersey, who clearly needs some bigs. And New York? Well, they do have alot of contracts there. But do you really want Quentin Richardson and/or Jamal Crawford for Murphy? The only way I'd even think of it is if we could give up Foyle. And I don't think Mullin still would think of it, because it makes my gut cramp up thinking about it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">Harrington hasn't officially gone anywhere yet. But if the trade does go down, and as usual, I think wtwalker's insights are right on with mine. So what do we do? Free agency is pretty much over, there are very few players left that would make a huge impact. There's no great wings out there - Trevor Ariza is likely to get matched by Orlando, Jared Jeffries is probably going to get resigned, and Bonzi Wells is always a big mystery. For bigs, Lorenzen Wright and Michael Olowakandi are unfortunately not big upgrades from Foyle (although they'd be way cheaper if we could jettison Foyle). Gooden, Wilcox, and Evans are likely to find other suitors. So, I would just like to expand on the speculation about possible trades. Now, Murphy, while valuable as a big, probably isn't too valuable because many teams have young talent who they want to develop or are like the Warriors, having bad contracts they need to dump. Teams without a starting PF: Seattle (trying to resign Chris Wilcox) Cleveland (ditto with Drew Gooden) Teams possibly looking to move their PF and may need another: Utah (Boozer) Denver (Martin) Portland (Randolph) There are about 8 more teams that Murphy would upgrade, but not all of them seem that interested. Thus, these three teams are probably the ones left that might strongly consider Murphy: Houston (starting Juwan Howard) New Jersey (moves Krstic to Center) New York (likely starting David Lee or Channing Frye) For Houston, there's not much young talent to get, nor pieces that the Warriors need, most of their contracts are past a year and the contracts don't add up very well to just get an expiring contract, unless they have a trade exception somewhere. The same goes for New Jersey, who clearly needs some bigs. And New York? Well, they do have alot of contracts there. But do you really want Quentin Richardson and/or Jamal Crawford for Murphy? The only way I'd even think of it is if we could give up Foyle. And I don't think Mullin still would think of it, because it makes my gut cramp up thinking about it.</div> Hey ZHone - this is the first post of yours I've ever read. Well written -- glad you're here. It's interesting to breakdown possible suitors for Murphy like you do, because it makes reality much more palpable, though tough to swallow. It seems like there aren't many teams that need his services. And the ones that might -- there really isn't anything there. In retrospect it makes Mullin's "guaruntees" about significant off-season activity seem like he was trying to convince himself and boost the general spirits in Oakland. I mean, he comes out and says how disappointed management was with the team, how there's no way he could stand pat, how the Warriors will get better this off-season, and how he hinted that more moves will be made. I know the off-season isn't over, but the hot-spell of the off-season is over. It would seem the wisest thing to do would be to wait until the trade-deadline and see if Murphy/Dunleavy/Foyle can somehow boost their trade value a bit (I know, don't laugh about Foyle). There's no sense in lashing out and overpaying for someone like Wilcox just because you've laid eggs thus far. Count your losses and move on. It's interesting to think, however, what Warriors fans would be saying if Troy Murphy was on, say, the Hawks, and was available: "Oh, trade for Murphy, he's a proven double-double guy, he's 6'11" and can shoot the three like Dirk, he's battled for the rebounding title for several years and could immediately bring that tough rebounding mentality we sorely lack here in Golden State!"
Yeah, I've been off for most of this year, I'm actually a draft junkie but I wasn't that excited by this year's draft class and I was studying. I've been lurking for the past year or so, but I thought I'd start posting again, my exams are close and I've nothing left to study. As for the W's and other trade options: Atlanta was one of the eight teams that I pegged as needing front court help, but I took them out of the picture since if they turn this trade down like the report suggests, then I'm not sure what direction they are going for. They obviously have an investment in Sheldon Williams, having nabbed him higher than anyone else projected. They could be trying to develop Marvin Williams into a power foward, since right now he's still a bit of a tweener. The other possible places for Murphy? Charlotte doesn't want to take on any big contracts yet, which is wise for them. The Lakers are division rivals. And Memphis and Indiana would have to play players out of position to accomodate Murphy, even though they both really need another big.
I pretty much agree with Zhone (nice to see you back, BTW). This isn't a good offseason to move any of our players, most of whom are coming off bad seasons and have relatively new contracts. Most teams aren't panicking or desperate to fill a hole right now. I think we'll get alot more value for Mickael Pietrus or Troy Murphy at the all-star break when disgruntled players want out, expiring contracts are looking to be moved for players who can contribute, and when teams get a good idea of whether they need something more to get into the playoffs or to dump players and start to re-build. I think forcing Murphy to learn to play center will help the team and boost his value a ton. Last season when he and Ike were playing Ike was really the C and Murphy tended to play on the outside even more often than before. Down the stretch last year Murphy showed good ability to play effective man defense on the best big men in the NBA. He still didn't play any help defense but if hes containing a star big man effectively I don't mind at all. If guys like Okur, Brezec, LaFrentz can play center Murphy should be able to do fine. On offense he can remain a perimiter player or iso-post up palyer with Ike roaming the inside and passing to slashers or perimiter shooters. If he does play C for 20 mpg with Ike at PF I think that will really improve his value and we can get a nice asset for him at the all-star break.
Welcome back Zhone! I'm not sure how plausible it would be, but with Musselman as the head coach in Sacramento, maybe he'd be open to coaching Foyle again. Afterall, he was the coach who seemed to motivate Foyle the best and the Kings could use a defensive center. I know the Kings would like to re-sign Bonzi Wells and the Warriors could accomadate them by taking back Corliss Williamson and Shareef Abdul Rahim or Kenny Thomas. Do the Warriors still have their trade exception to use? If not maybe they send out Pietrus along with Foyle.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">Harrington hasn't officially gone anywhere yet. But if the trade does go down, and as usual, I think wtwalker's insights are right on with mine. So what do we do? Free agency is pretty much over, there are very few players left that would make a huge impact. There's no great wings out there - Trevor Ariza is likely to get matched by Orlando, Jared Jeffries is probably going to get resigned, and Bonzi Wells is always a big mystery. For bigs, Lorenzen Wright and Michael Olowakandi are unfortunately not big upgrades from Foyle (although they'd be way cheaper if we could jettison Foyle). Gooden, Wilcox, and Evans are likely to find other suitors. So, I would just like to expand on the speculation about possible trades. Now, Murphy, while valuable as a big, probably isn't too valuable because many teams have young talent who they want to develop or are like the Warriors, having bad contracts they need to dump. Teams without a starting PF: Seattle (trying to resign Chris Wilcox) Cleveland (ditto with Drew Gooden) Teams possibly looking to move their PF and may need another: Utah (Boozer) Denver (Martin) Portland (Randolph) There are about 8 more teams that Murphy would upgrade, but not all of them seem that interested. Thus, these three teams are probably the ones left that might strongly consider Murphy: Houston (starting Juwan Howard) New Jersey (moves Krstic to Center) New York (likely starting David Lee or Channing Frye) For Houston, there's not much young talent to get, nor pieces that the Warriors need, most of their contracts are past a year and the contracts don't add up very well to just get an expiring contract, unless they have a trade exception somewhere. The same goes for New Jersey, who clearly needs some bigs. And New York? Well, they do have alot of contracts there. But do you really want Quentin Richardson and/or Jamal Crawford for Murphy? The only way I'd even think of it is if we could give up Foyle. And I don't think Mullin still would think of it, because it makes my gut cramp up thinking about it.</div> I hate Boozer and Martin they are both injury prone players. I like Drew Gooden he prooved he could play in the Detroit/Clevland series against the best frontcourt in the NBA. I think he could be a good fit for this team we should trade Murphy for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate Boozer and Martin they are both injury prone players. I like Drew Gooden he prooved he could play in the Detroit/Clevland series against the best frontcourt in the NBA. I think he could be a good fit for this team we should trade Murphy for him.</div> There's a reason why Gooden has played for three teams in four years, it's the same reason why Cleveland isn't begging to resign him: the guy is a headcase. I know he's a local guy and fans around the bay want to their home town heros, but he's just not someone I would want playing for my team. I don't care how well he plays. I look at Gooden the same way I look at Ricky Davis. Davis, like me, is from Iowa. I wanted him to do well, because there aren't many guys from Iowa in the league. But after seeing him do jerkass thing after jerkass thing, I finally accepted that he's not someone I want to root for. Gooden hasn't done as many jerkass things on the court as Davis, but I've never heard a GM regret being rid of him. If I could add anyone to this roster, it'd be Ilgauskas. He provides all the low post scoring and defense that the Warriors lack. I'd give him a four year deal and give up anyone on the roster not named Davis, Richardson, or Ellis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">There's a reason why Gooden has played for three teams in four years, it's the same reason why Cleveland isn't begging to resign him: the guy is a headcase. I know he's a local guy and fans around the bay want to their home town heros, but he's just not someone I would want playing for my team. I don't care how well he plays. I look at Gooden the same way I look at Ricky Davis. Davis, like me, is from Iowa. I wanted him to do well, because there aren't many guys from Iowa in the league. But after seeing him do jerkass thing after jerkass thing, I finally accepted that he's not someone I want to root for. Gooden hasn't done as many jerkass things on the court as Davis, but I've never heard a GM regret being rid of him. If I could add anyone to this roster, it'd be Ilgauskas. He provides all the low post scoring and defense that the Warriors lack. I'd give him a four year deal and give up anyone on the roster not named Davis, Richardson, or Ellis.</div> I don't think Davis is as bad as Gooden nowadays as Davis has toned down a bit. I have seen Gooden do some dumbass things though such as punching the pads on the basketball goal which leads to obvious technicals. I wouldn't want him on....any of my favorite teams. I would take a shot at Randolph
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post"> I have seen Gooden do some dumbass things though such as punching the pads on the basketball goal which leads to obvious technicals. I wouldn't want him on....any of my favorite teams. I would take a shot at Randolph</div> Heh - Drew Gooden is a numbskull, but Randolph? That dude's a felony waiting to happen. They'e both bad news IMO. Gooden looks like he's stoned out of his gourd. I saw him in pre-game warmups at the arena last year -- instead of working on low post moves or freethrows, he was air-balling three pointers, trying out juke-moves on the ball boy, and bricking wrong-handed layups lol.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Heh - Drew Gooden is a numbskull, but Randolph? That dude's a felony waiting to happen. They'e both bad news IMO. Gooden looks like he's stoned out of his gourd. I saw him in pre-game warmups at the arena last year -- instead of working on low post moves or freethrows, he was air-balling three pointers, trying out juke-moves on the ball boy, and bricking wrong-handed layups lol.</div> I would take Zach "Felony Waiting to Happen" Randolph over Drew " I'm Gonna do a juke-move on the ball boy" Gooden. There is also potential shot at Boozer. I can't be much of help since I don't know much about the Warriors situation, sorry. You could always sign a FA. though none look promising.
Yeah, I think GS would do well to snatch up the athletic Trevor Ariza. He can defend, rebound well for his size, and run on the break. He'd be a good athletic choice at SF. Kinda like what Pietrus could be, if he shows up this year.
No thanks on either Gooden or Randolph. There is a reason why Gooden is being avoided like a plague for last few years. Maybe, he will find a home in some place, but we are loaded with PFs to begin with. Also our contract situation prohibit adding any contract anyway. Randolph makes max for next 5 years and he is a head case. Those reasons should be enough to avoid Randolph...
