(1) traded hoffa for humpries (maybe the greatest trade in raptor history as some jbb observers have noted) A+ (2) traded bonner + eric williams for rasho (clearly e. williams had to leave and bonner was a medicore player on a horrendous team but rasho sucks. i was watching our game with the spurs last season and he had a hard time keeping up with the spur offense when nick van exel was running the point. and the 21 million left on his deal is a frightening scenario, brings back flashback of hakeem) F (3) drafting bargnani and pj tucker (bargnani is a star in the making but i think we have to wait a couple years from him to materialize and tucker looks solid) B- (4)trading charlie v for tj ford (we needed a point guard and i think tj had the potential to be a top five pg whereas charlie v is content with being good) B (5)signing anthony parker (this dude is going to win most improved player if he qualifies) A- (6)signing garbosa (not bad, but we have a logjam at the 4, moreover, it mightbe a signal of bargnani being relegated to the end of the bench for the few seasons) C+ (7)signing fred jones (great fit, might be another candidate for most improved player) A+ (8)signing uros slokar (whatever, there were more capable guys on the market to sign, plus he should have been left over in europe to develop) C- GRADE: B- the trade for rasho handicapps us cap wise plus elson was a much better fit. elson could have been had for 1.5 million a year.
nice thread... I think however that there is a positive spin we can put on the rasho deal...we rid ourselfs of eric williams, and give up not much in bonner, and address a gaping hole we have at center. rasho isnt phenomenal, but he IS a legit 7footer and a true center...he's an upgrade from anyone else we had playing the 4 spot last year. i wouldnt give that move an F. its not an A, but it seems to be somewhere in between imo
Yah I too think you're being a little harsh on the Rasho deal. Given what we gave up, it wasn't that bad of a deal. It doesn't do anything to help our cap in the future, but it does help us with our interior defense woes and provides some "protection" for our beloved Bosh... For the most part, I agree with the other grades.... but I would give the TJ Ford trade a C and the Garbage man signing at least a B. The CV/TJ trade does make our team better, but there's no question that in terms of value, we got fleeced big time. The Garbage man signing is a good one in my book. He can play the 4/5, provides toughness, and comes relatively cheap. A logjam in the 4 isn't too much of a concern.
@ Garbage Man. But your grades are on point, but as previously said I have to disagree with the RAhso trade. For what we gained, it was worth it.
How was trading Hoffa for Humphries a A+. You traded trash for trash, I don't get how you guys love that move.......
Ford's value is higher than you think dunksworth, we couldn't have gotten him for anything less than CV, plus he became obsolete with bargs coming in. I loved the Rasho trade. We gave up a bad contract for another, but likes someone said, we finally get that legit center that we've needed for so long. No, J_Ray, we traded possibly the worst player in the league for Humphries, who has impressed the hell out of me in summer league with his toughness, hustle and rebounding. Maybe all he needed was a change of scenery. Hoffa on the other hand is getting owned by pretty much everyone in summer league. Look at his numbers, the guy does not belong in this league, or any league for that matter. He's that bad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">No, J_Ray, we traded possibly the worst player in the league for Humphries, who has impressed the hell out of me in summer league with his toughness, hustle and rebounding. Maybe all he needed was a change of scenery. Hoffa on the other hand is getting owned by pretty much everyone in summer league. Look at his numbers, the guy does not belong in this league, or any league for that matter. He's that bad.</div> Ya, I see you've found out why we called him the Summer League Duncan. He always has averaged a double-double in the Summer League. He always has tore it up, Hoffa is indee not a good player but Sloan might be able to get him to do something. I couldn't wait until someone was bragging how good Humphries was. The guy is dumber than a rock, he couldn't learn Utah's offense and all it is, is screens and rolls, GL with your A+ move
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Ya, I see you've found out why we called him the Summer League Duncan. He always has averaged a double-double in the Summer League. He always has tore it up, Hoffa is indee not a good player but Sloan might be able to get him to do something. I couldn't wait until someone was bragging how good Humphries was. The guy is dumber than a rock, he couldn't learn Utah's offense and all it is, is screens and rolls, GL with your A+ move </div> I think you would rather have a retired Todd McCullouch with a foot disease playing for the Jazz and Sloan than Hoffa; I know I would. ------------ 1) Traded Hoffa for Humpries: C+ I would of been content with a vet we could waive and a couple of second rounders. But this isn't bad, I'm not high on Humphries, but I'm just glad we got rido fhim. 2) Traded Bonner + Eric williams for Rasho: B-+ > C I thought this was a decent trade at first, then when we traded for Ford, this trade really didn't make sense to me. Does BC really expect Rasho to keep up with Ford running the point? His contract is huge, and if we expect Bargnani and Bosh to play in the frotncourt together at the 4 and 5, then this trade is really pointless to have him as a backup center. If we were to run a half court offense and draft a SF or SG, then this would make some sense, but drafting Bargnani to play with Bosh, trading for Ford to playing and uptempo game doesn't seem to suit Rasho. 3) Drafting Bargnani & PJ Tucker: B I like us drafting Bargnani, I was really pulling for us to draft him or Gay. Gay looks like he would be a better fit right now with Ford at point and Bosh at the 4 and Rasho maning the 5, but regardless I like Bargnani and trust BC with this selection. PJ Tucker was a nice pick. I think he'll end up being a solid pro. I would of preffered Daniel Gibson though. Blalock at 58? Would of been a steal for us, instead we're looking for a 3rd string PG 4) Trading CV for Ford: C/C+ Based on how our roster is shaped now, Ford fits in well, with the exception of Rasho, as it looks like BC is looking to build around a solid core of Ford+Bosh+Bargnani+Mo+Parker. I just thought we could of gotten more from Milwaukee though. If Ford was BC's man all along, we could of atleast gotten more, I would of been very satisfied with the trde if we acquired a future first rounder as it looks like the Bucks have settled thereselves at the 2, 3, 4 and 5 already. 5) Signing Anthony Parker: B+ Love the signing, I wish he was a couple years younger, but theres nothing you can do about that 6) Signing Garbojosa: C+ Not a big fan of this signing. He looks like he'll replace Bonners role off the bench, hopefully he can play like Vlad for us, but thats asking too much. Decent signing nonetheless 7) Signing Fred Jones: B+ I prefer him over Salmons. The contract is very nice and he fits in well with our system and team, and his role is just what we needed. 8) Signing Uros Slokar: C Can't really say much on this, but he's another shooting big man. He replaces Pape, two totally different players, I would of preffered that we signed a banger big man instead.
It was pretty classless, taking Alvin's number....I'm not saying they should retire his number, but they at least should've waited longer to take the number back on the roster....
That Slokar one grade.. I'd give it a question mark.. not a C-.. Plus he was the Raps second round draft choice. Plus he's only getting paid like 400 000. Or even less. I don't see RAps signing anyone with that, that is worth a shot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you would rather have a retired Todd McCullouch with a foot disease playing for the Jazz and Sloan than Hoffa; I know I would.</div> I guess this is why your team isn't very good, you don't know a good player when you see him First you let The Miltness go, now you let Hoffa go, you guys will be shocked when Sloan turns Hoffa into a guy contributing off the bench
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hustler:</div><div class="quote_post">It was pretty classless, taking Alvin's number....I'm not saying they should retire his number, but they at least should've waited longer to take the number back on the roster....</div> I feel the same way. Did you see the Feschuk on SC? You sound exactly like him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess this is why your team isn't very good, you don't know a good player when you see him First you let The Miltness go, now you let Hoffa go, you guys will be shocked when Sloan turns Hoffa into a guy contributing off the bench </div> He's right ... we let milt go for nothing. On the flip side if you're worried about Humphries b-ball iq let's just say Hoffa isn't much of an upgrade. This trade as it stands is garbage for garbage. I don't think it gets an A+ for any extra value we got out of the transaction .. but it gets full points for getting rid of a symbol of our past failures.
why did i give the hoffa for humpries trade an A+? (1) hoffa can't play in this league, humpries can at least marginally. (2) the deal saves us some money 3) humpries has potential whereas hoffa is all tapped out. (4) it rids us of the gravest mistake in the babcock era
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">[why did i give the hoffa for humpries trade an A+? (1) hoffa can't play in this league, humpries can at least marginally. </div> Who says Hoffa can't play in this league, maybe Sloan can turn this guy into a good bench player. Have you guy ever heard of Keith McLeod or Mikki Moore before they were in Utah? Sloan has a knack of making NBDL players into good role guys. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(2) the deal saves us some money </div> I agree here, but still not worth A+ <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">3) humpries has potential whereas hoffa is all tapped out.</div> Who says he's all tapped out? You guys never really needed to use him, he wasn't suppose to be a lottery guy, he was a late 1st rounder what you expect! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(4) it rids us of the gravest mistake in the babcock era</div> We got rid of a nightmare of a draft too, got rid of Snyder and Humphries. Babock was a horrible GM, Hoffa shouldn't of even been in the top 20 picks. Last thing, you guys let go of the real gem of this trade! Whaley has more potential than Humphries, he's just had some off the court problems. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting a13x:</div><div class="quote_post">He's right ... we let milt go for nothing. </div> We did too, I feel your pain I guess he was a 1 year deal, had to pass on his Jordanesque type skills to C.J.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel the same way. Did you see the Feschuk on SC? You sound exactly like him.</div> Lol no. I don't like SC, I watch the Score.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Who says Hoffa can't play in this league, maybe Sloan can turn this guy into a good bench player. Have you guy ever heard of Keith McLeod or Mikki Moore before they were in Utah? Sloan has a knack of making NBDL players into good role guys. </div> i guess in cali u don't get raptors games. hoffa can't jump, he's slow, stupid and theres more... he can't play in the nba. a lot people here thought babcock didn't want to send him to the nbdl last season because of the salient fear that he couldn't make it there either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Who says Hoffa can't play in this league, maybe Sloan can turn this guy into a good bench player. Have you guy ever heard of Keith McLeod or Mikki Moore before they were in Utah? Sloan has a knack of making NBDL players into good role guys. </div> All I'm going to say is that you're underrating Hoffa's stupidity out on the basketball floor. Good luck when he catches the ball in the post only to either lose it or pass it to an opposing player....oh and let's not forget him getting outrebounded by smaller guards...and how can we forget his deadly jumpshots that often MISS THE RIM/BACKBOARD COMPLETELY...but other then that, I will miss him.
