10 reasons Why lebron is not NBA finals mvp

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  1. eager2belaid

    eager2belaid JBB JustBBall Member

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    Just kidding only got 5

    1.D.Wagner was a bust.He was their 1st round pick b4 lebron.
    2.Carlos Boozer not resigned
    3.Gave up on players, Most notably Chris mihm Dasanga diop Smush parker
    4.Luke Jackson was a bust.He was their 1st round pick after lebron.
    5.Team injuries. Hughes will learn how to play great with lebron.Lebron is a player that is affective with the ball. Hughes can do both and play in your face D-fence.

    Next year we will see a dominic vs jordon matchup that we missed out on this year between Wade and Lebron for the Eastern Confrence Championship
     
  2. Gee_Dupe11

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    wait a minute.....im confused i dont get it

    BTW Luke Jackson got Drafted Year after LeBron
     
  3. durvasa

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting eager2belaid:</div><div class="quote_post">
    2.Carlos Boozer not resigned
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    Considering all the health problems he's had, the Cavs might be in worse shape right now if Boozer was resigned.
     
  4. SP23

    SP23 DA BEARS!

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    6. Lost to the Pistons.
     
  5. Midnight Green

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting eager2belaid:</div><div class="quote_post">Just kidding only got 5

    1.D.Wagner was a bust.He was their 1st round pick b4 lebron.
    2.Carlos Boozer not resigned
    3.Gave up on players, Most notably Chris mihm Dasanga diop Smush parker
    4.Luke Jackson was a bust.He was their 1st round pick after lebron.
    5.Team injuries. Hughes will learn how to play great with lebron.Lebron is a player that is affective with the ball. Hughes can do both and play in your face D-fence.

    Next year we will see a dominic vs jordon matchup that we missed out on this year between Wade and Lebron for the Eastern Confrence Championship</div>
    How is Lebron responsable for any of those things?
     
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    1. He has never been in the NBA finals.
     
  7. Really Lost One

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    Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA Finals we were watching last season featured the Mavs and the Heat. Just playing, I know what you mean.

    7. He isn't clutch
     
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    8. Wade is better.
     
  9. Run BJM

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    9. He doesnt play with Shaq or have Pat Riley as his head coach.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SP23:</div><div class="quote_post">6. Lost to the Pistons.</div>

    that pretty much sums it up
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA Finals we were watching last season featured the Mavs and the Heat. Just playing, I know what you mean.

    7. He isn't clutch</div>

    That's already been proven false in the playoffs and late in the season. LBJ had the same amount of game winners last season as kobe i beleive and way more game winning passes.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brasco:</div><div class="quote_post">That's already been proven false in the playoffs and late in the season. LBJ had the same amount of game winners last season as kobe i beleive and way more game winning passes.</div>

    Here's what I found.

    I counted all "Scores" as instances where there was 24 seconds or less in regulation/overtime, the team was not ahead, and the player scored on a play to either tie or go ahead. I counted all "Attempts" as where a player attempted a shot (or free throws) to tie or go ahead with under 24 seconds in regulation/overtime. Further, I took note of instances where the player assisted on a basket to tie or go ahead in final 24 seconds of regulation/overtime.

    Here are the results for LeBron last season (including playoffs). The "+" indicates an and-1 3-point play attempt. A "*" indicates the play was only free throws:

    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/><font color="navy">DateOppScoreAttemptW/L</font><br/>1/12LAL01*L<br/>1/18DEN01L<br/>2/6MIL11W<br/>2/15BOS01W<br/>3/2CHIASTW<br/>3/8TORASTW<br/>3/22CHAAST,11W<br/>3/26HOU11+W<br/>4/10NOK11W<br/>4/28WAS11W<br/>5/3WAS12W<br/>Total:61060%<br/>only FGs:6967%<br/><br/><font color="navy">GWGLW%</font><br/>9281.8%<br/></div>

    Compare that to Kobe last season:

    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/><font color="navy">DateOppScoreAttemptW/L</font><br/>2-NovDEN12W<br/>11-NovPHI01L<br/>20-NovCHI02L<br/>1-DecUTA1*2*W<br/>4-DecCHA1*1*W<br/>28-DecMEM02L<br/>7-JanLAC11W<br/>12-JanCLE11W<br/>27-JanGSW1*1*W<br/>11-FebMEM01L<br/>26-FebBOS01L<br/>6-AprDEN03L<br/>30-AprPHO22W<br/>4-MayPHO01L<br/>Total:82138.1%<br/>Only FGs:51827.8%<br/><br/><font color="navy">GWGLW%</font><br/>7750.0%<br/></div>

    This should pretty much squash the myth that LeBron choked at the end of games. LeBron appeared to shy away from taking big shots and making the big play at the end of the game in the beginning of the season. He didn't even have a game-tying/game-winning attempt in November/Decemeber. February onward, he excelled in these situations.

    And this is just final possession stats. If you look at final 5 minutes of regulation, overtimes, with neither team ahead by more than 5 points, LeBron's number are very impressive. Much more so than Kobe's.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2.Carlos Boozer not resigned</div>
    That's a good thing, at least Drew Gooden stays on the floor for them. They're better off with Gooden playing about 80 games on average than Carlos playing about 40 games for them.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">3.Gave up on players, Most notably Chris mihm Dasanga diop Smush parker</div>
    None of which would've made Cleveland a championship contender, so it's not even worth mentioning.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">5.Team injuries. Hughes will learn how to play great with lebron.Lebron is a player that is affective with the ball. Hughes can do both and play in your face D-fence.</div>
    Hughes' defense is overatted, trust me I'm a Wizards fan, but he's definately not a bad player. The problem is that expecting Hughes to not get injured is quite interesting. I said after we got Caron Butler and lost Hughes that while he is a nice player and all, I'd rather have Butler for 82 games than Hughes for about 61 games which is what he played his last 2 seasons in Washington.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. He has never been in the NBA finals.</div>
    It's funny because when I open the thread I was expecting this to be #1
     
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    to be finals MVP you have to be in the finals
     
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    List = Joke
     
  16. The One & Only

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">8. Wade is better.</div>

    [​IMG]

    That smiley is sufficient.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That's already been proven false in the playoffs and late in the season. LBJ had the same amount of game winners last season as kobe i beleive and way more game winning passes.</div>

    The entire world know's he traveled on those game winners in the playoffs. I give him credit for taking it to the hole but had it been Gilbert Arenas taking two hop steps to steal game 1 he would have been called for traveling.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">The entire world know's he traveled on those game winners in the playoffs. I give him credit for taking it to the hole but had it been Gilbert Arenas taking two hop steps to steal game 1 he would have been called for traveling.</div>

    Arenas wouldn't have even gone to the basket. He would have jacked up a thirty footer. Or maybe a 70-footer, as he did in the previous game in Cleveland.

    And LeBron traveled on one of the game winners. The one in Cleveland was legit (at least by NBA standards).
     
  19. huevonkiller

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">[​IMG]

    That smiley is sufficient.</div>

    Indeed. [​IMG]

    Also, when people say Kobe is more clutch than LeBron, it's about playoff experience and such (him being ten years in the NBA and having rings), not just last season. Kobe didn't have a consistent center for 78 games, but was able to accomplish a lot with a squad just learning the Triangle (which isn't easy). It's hard for him to keep up that monster pace of his when you play with young teammates and in the West. But LeBron is a cool guy, I don't think he is a choker at all. Lebron and Kobe are good Clutch players, due to last season/a body of work, respectively.
     
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    hasnt been in the finals so why make a thread
     

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