As you probably all know, 4 Vikings were formally accused of misconduct on the "Love boat". The 4 Vikings? Daunte Culpepper, Fred Smoot, Bryant McKinnie, and Moe Williams. I have to say, something is definitely off here. I don't deny that there was probably some bad behavior going on at that boat, but to pick these 4 guys out of the group seems like someone is going gold digging. Culpepper and Smoot are (I believe) the two highest paid players on the team, and McKinnie is not getting chump change either. Moe Williams is probably the only surprise, although as a long-time veteran, he is making some good money too. There definitely seems to be a PR campaign going on here as well to make the Vikings look bad. The charges were all misdemeanors, but by the sound of it these guys were all guilty of serious felonies. How many misdemeanors garner special press conferences and front-page press? I do hope that those who were being stupid get their due, but I also hope that this doesn't turn into a case of someone seeing an opportunity at the expense of a multi-million dollar athlete who makes a living partly on their reputation...
I honestly think the Vikings TRADED THE WRONG MAN.. They should of traded Culpepper and kept Moss in my opinion. I've always been a big Moss fan and I was upset that he went to the Raiders of all teams.. Culpepper is supposed to be the leader of the team and he plays awful this year before he gets hurt and he gets charged with all that junk up there. The Vikings are going to trade Culpepper this off-season and go with Johnson and someone younger to groom behind him. Think of it in 2 years the Vikings would of traded their 2 biggest name players maybe ever... That's my bold statement this off-season. By the way does anyone really think Culpepper was falsely charged like he claims? I?ve always been really high on Daunte as a player but this is one season I think he?s going to want to get erased from his memory..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Vikings are going to trade Culpepper this off-season and go with Johnson and someone younger to groom behind him. Think of it in 2 years the Vikings would of traded their 2 biggest name players maybe ever... That's my bold statement this off-season. By the way does anyone really think Culpepper was falsely charged like he claims? I?ve always been really high on Daunte as a player but this is one season I think he?s going to want to get erased from his memory..</div> There is no way that the Vikings are going to trade Culpepper. The reason that their not going trade him because we would take a major cap hit. We wouldn't be able to sign anyone. Then we would be one of the worst teams for the next 5 years!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>As you probably all know, 4 Vikings were formally accused of misconduct on the "Love boat". The 4 Vikings? Daunte Culpepper, Fred Smoot, Bryant McKinnie, and Moe Williams. I have to say, something is definitely off here. I don't deny that there was probably some bad behavior going on at that boat, but to pick these 4 guys out of the group seems like someone is going gold digging. Culpepper and Smoot are (I believe) the two highest paid players on the team, and McKinnie is not getting chump change either. Moe Williams is probably the only surprise, although as a long-time veteran, he is making some good money too. There definitely seems to be a PR campaign going on here as well to make the Vikings look bad. The charges were all misdemeanors, but by the sound of it these guys were all guilty of serious felonies. How many misdemeanors garner special press conferences and front-page press? I do hope that those who were being stupid get their due, but I also hope that this doesn't turn into a case of someone seeing an opportunity at the expense of a multi-million dollar athlete who makes a living partly on their reputation...</div> The profile of these 4 did set off some bells with me immediately too.
I agree, there is no way that they are going to trade him. Besides, you don't trade an MVP candidate when they have a few bad games in a row with an entirely new team and a new offensive coaching staff... If he plays this bad all of next year, then there might be some discussion, but the cap hit alone makes it likely that he will not be traded.
There are loads of trade talks going around with Culpepper. So it's not a matter if it's a matter of when they trade him. Right now Culpepper would be worth a first round pick to many teams but if he comes back and continues to struggle he'll lose a lot of value. I actually think they should start Brad Johnson next year and draft a QB like Omar Jacobs or Jay Cuter in the draft and groom him behind Johnson. I do think they should trade Culpepper but I also think that would be the right move for the franchise. Johnson might not be as athletic and BIG STAR type of guy but he's a proven winner and can get it done without Randy Moss. Minnesota traded the wrong player.... a year ago.
its really sad that they already are saying they should trade Culpepper didnt this guy ahve an MVP type season last year, a few games shouldnt make this guy tradeable. plus of course the cap hit
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>There are loads of trade talks going around with Culpepper. So it's not a matter if it's a matter of when they trade him. Right now Culpepper would be worth a first round pick to many teams but if he comes back and continues to struggle he'll lose a lot of value. I actually think they should start Brad Johnson next year and draft a QB like Omar Jacobs or Jay Cuter in the draft and groom him behind Johnson. I do think they should trade Culpepper but I also think that would be the right move for the franchise. Johnson might not be as athletic and BIG STAR type of guy but he's a proven winner and can get it done without Randy Moss. Minnesota traded the wrong player.... a year ago.</div> Ah...reminds me of the good old days of Cunningham vs. Johnson. Controversy II: The Return of Brad.
The D has been the reason for their turn around more than anything. Brad is & always will be a journeyman QB. Randy was a cancer. CPep is the franchise. What's Randy done for Oakland?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>The D has been the reason for their turn around more than anything. Brad is & always will be a journeyman QB. Randy was a cancer. CPep is the franchise. What's Randy done for Oakland?</div> How was Moss cancer. 1500 yards and 15 touchdowns a year isn't cancer. Moss is not Terrell Owens. If Moss is cancer then TO is the next plague... Moss isn't getting the ball in Oakland. It's hard to be a weapon when the QB stops throwing him the ball. Collins in the beginning of the year threw the ball to Moss all the time and they were at least 3-4. He then just stopped and now there 4-9. Moss might not be the best route runner but if you use him right he's the biggest weapon in football ahead of LT and Mike Vick's (legs).... Johnson is going to end his career in Minnesota. Why would the Vikings let him go when he has been a big part of the turn around. The Vikings defense is still weak against the run and has shown it at times. Johnson is a big reason why the Vikings are where they are. This offense is better with Brad Johnson. Culpepper was someone I was really high on this season. He was one of my favorite players and outside of Favre my favorite QB. Unfortunately he struggled and got hurt and I was way off on him. You state Cpep is the franchise. Some franchise!! Running around on sex boats and getting caught.. I still do like Culpepper and I'm going to admit I was wrong about him but Moss helped Culpepper in his sucess. Culpepper is no better role model than Moss and now you can throw that argument out of the building. Don't be surprised to see Culpepper traded after all this.. Cardinals are a big taker right now and would give up a very high pick for him. Culpepper could also excel in Denny Green's system. The Vikings are in better hands with Brad Johnson. They might take a cap hit but I still believe it would be what's best for the team. They could then use that high pick on a Laurence Maroney or DeAngelo Williams. They could then add more depth to their defense or find a linebacker with their second 1st round pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>ahead of LT? That's ridiculous.</div> From 98-03 Randy Moss was the biggest weapon in football and if he's used in a down the field type of passing game he's a bigger weapon in that system than LT in San Diego. Moss was pushing 20 receiving touchdowns a season. It's easier to stack the box with 7 or even 6 guys and stop LT than it is to drop 6 deep and stop Moss deep. Now granted I don't think the Chargers have been using LT the right way but after comparing the first 5 seasons of the player Moss was a bigger weapon in my opinion than LT.
Is anyone remembering that Brad Johnson will be 38 next preseason? I don't know why you would go that direction at this point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'>Is anyone remembering that Brad Johnson will be 38 next preseason? I don't know why you would go that direction at this point.</div> I'm saying if Johnson comes back go with him mostly because he's playing great and you have no idea if Culpepper will come back as the same player. Plus the season he's had. Also you draft a guy and groom him for another year. I'm the only one saying it right now on here though there has been a lot of talks about Culpepper getting traded. Don't be shocked if it happens because I think it will pending what they can get for him.
It would have to be a lot more than they got for the Moss trade. I think you are forgetting that the Vikings are no longer in rebuilding mode...they are looking to do some damage in the playoffs. Granted, this may not be the year, but when they started to rebuild, they did so with CPep at QB. Trading him tells the team and new acquisitions that they are giving up. There may be a lot of talk, but I think it is more speculation than anything else.
So Daunte Culpepper, Fred Smoot, Bryant McKinnie, and Moe Williams are like the "off-field" version of T.O since T.O gets in trouble in games and practice.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>It would have to be a lot more than they got for the Moss trade. I think you are forgetting that the Vikings are no longer in rebuilding mode...they are looking to do some damage in the playoffs. Granted, this may not be the year, but when they started to rebuild, they did so with CPep at QB. Trading him tells the team and new acquisitions that they are giving up. There may be a lot of talk, but I think it is more speculation than anything else.</div> If they do keep Culpepper, I still think you go with him as your QB. Pretty much his injury could take him into the start of the regular season. I still think Culpepper can be a great QB but I have a hunch if he doesn't get traded he's going to be forced into the lineup to fast which could hurt his game. I'm also not going to be surprised if Minnesota takes a peak at what they can get for him. If Arizona is willing to give up a first rounder this year and maybe a 2nd and 3rd for next year or a solid player like Karlos Dansby I wouldn't be shocked to see the Vikes pull that deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>ahead of LT? That's ridiculous.</div> From 98-03 Randy Moss was the biggest weapon in football and if he's used in a down the field type of passing game he's a bigger weapon in that system than LT in San Diego.... Moss was a bigger weapon in my opinion than LT.</div> Funny, porky, how you use "was" twice. Are RM's better days behind him? That remains to be seen. LT is a more complete/well-rounded player that Moss will ever be. Further, LT has far less attitude and is not as likely to have character issues. That IMO speaks volumes
Yeah I would have to say Moss' better days are behind him.. He doesn't fit into Turner's system and I don't see him ever topping his 18 touchdown season. I do think LT has way more potential then Moss ever was because like you said he was more of a complete player but in comparing Moss' and LT's first 5 years into the league I would have to say Moss was much more explosive.. Now Moss' has def declined and LT appears like he's going to dominate for the next 5 years as well so that's what takes them apart. I still think Moss can be very dangerous if you actually get him the ball. Oakland has just let him go to waste.. Notice the only argument against Moss is his bad attitude. I think he's cleaned up his act well in Oakland and has handled the situation there very mature.. The old Moss would be in the news much more if he wasn't getting the ball and his team was 4-9..
I just read the police reports at the Smoking Gunn and they sound legit to me. Too many witnesses and the stories don't sound made up. I'm not sure what anyone is going to gain by making these accusations either. I just don't see any golddigging, just freaky Vikings.
