<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">I think this is the first time I've ever been called a conservative in anything.</div> Berkeley resident are you? Actually, I don't know what you'd do as GM to warrant any kind of labeling, but I meant you're more conservative than let's say guys who say, "Let's throw all of our eggs that we have left in one basket and sign Harrington for Murphy, because Harrington's better than Dunleavy." That's a radical move in concept IMO and I think that's why it was hyped up. That and the media or average Warrior fans have nothing to talk about this offseason because POB or "those three Jazz guys" are too much of an unknown. Or maybe people just don't know the real impact of sf/pf tweener Harrington or the kind of player he really is. It's too hard to tell. Maybe guys just don't want to see the same roster as '04 with/without Baron and Montgomery's older lineups. I'll say I'm conservative on various issues with the Warriors, but pretty liberal in real life on politics regarding social issues and social classes. Financial issues I'm conservative because money affects what you can/can't do to do something about the social climate and affect social standing in a realistic way. Everything is very money driven these days or people don't care enough if there's nothing in it for them. I don't think I have very many strong convictions in politics or religion or whatever people throw demonstrations about because I think they're all a bunch of views which epitomize either greed/personal agenda/half-truths. That and I can't just relate on some issues like being for or against gay marriage abortions, stuff like that. I'm not gay, I'm not a woman! Illegal immigration, that'd be ironic if I was saying all this smack about illegals and it turns out my best buddy came illegally from Canada or Mexico or whatnot. The strongest convictions I have are about the Warriors because the win record and team design says it all and it's easier to tell if the guys in charge are doing a good job because there's less bureaucracy and levels of government involved. I can be cynical but I've got hopes that things will work itself out if we take the right approach and don't force things.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">You know I enjoy reading your posts CR2. Your intelligent and sincere observations are a refreshing change of pace from the typical forum user. You're a big reason why I switched over to JBB.</div> I got a warm and fuzzy feeling inside all of a sudden. Then again it might be the six or something odd naughty/drunk co-eds going wild in the other browser window. Thanks for the compliments, buddy! You rule!
To me it is very significant that our roster inclues 10 former lotto picks. We now have 5 who are not yet starters. We are-allegedly-willing to trade our only productive big guy -who had 3 20 rbd games--toss in an Athlete who's hard to defend-yet was able to contain stars like Kobe,LeBron...and we'd give them both to get a guy who's got flaws-but is more dependable than the guy we just signed up for Star money. Hummm? We give both Troy and Mike Pete-because in our coach's system...they are only 70% of their full abilities-so that's what we trade them as. We disregard all the times MP just blew through the D for a slam,or left guys in the dust on the break-and we focus on a game where the ref let guys jump in front-not get even partly set-and the block-instead gets whistled as a charge...several times....unlike 50 prior times when MP made such a move. Troy is a soft-no D-3 happy black hole. Well....in the last 8 games.all the April games Troy played..total of 7 3 pt attempts. In consecutive games Troy scores 20+ while holding Duncan and KG to 16 or less. Troy-the previous week has a 21 rebound game and a 20 rebound game...plus one where he outplayed Dirk. Seems there were SIGNIFICANT adjustments from the December version of his game. What IF he can play= to Dirk...which he showed he could...what's the market for that? Whats a fair contract? How many second stringers should we get back in a deal-how would we feel if we got to watch Murphy and Arenas and Jamision in the same all star game as ex-Warriors? Technically..I could not take a pencil and draw up a proper pick and roll play. However-I remember seeing George Mikan play on TV,Cousy,Petit. I remember Oscar Robertson and Jerry West as college stars. I don't know the technical details-but I can see right and wrong real quick,I can see talent in the bud. We have talent here..a lot of it...and they can't manage to replicate the stuff I have seen then do,stuff they are ABLE to do...but...as best I can tell...is what the coach sees as Fools Gold....or wasting time on "Projects" when the older guys know the dance steps. From all I can see-Monty does not build for tommorrow-or have the plan to just get the current team to win as much as it can now. So...why bother with him?
The thing that has nagged at my funky little brain is that there's a rather broad sense Murphy is damaged goods,no matter what-and a one-year Magliore rental is all he's worth. I see evidence of an evolution-of a Murphy unleashed who-in any respect can be equal to Nowitzki-Brand etc....and IF we can make that a regular fact of Warrior life...Gee,it would come in handy. Pietrus is a guy who ,since low-level Euro-junior ball...never got to start,to have a real clear role. Dun's daddy was NBA-he had the basic concept in HS-got a career as a starter at Duke-years starting Here....Pietrus I guess got his early start on the island of Guadalupe. He still needs coaching + game experiance. Charlie Villanueva,Chris Paul,Channing Frye,Raymond Felton.....They got tossed in-sink or swim,and pretty soon were doing well. Bogut made real nice progress...but so did later picks like Gomes,David Lee,who got to get in games enough to find a niche. NBA refs have the divine right to invent rules you can't find in a book. They periodically may even toss their personall rulebook at the half-call a different game the rest of the way. It's pretty hard to explain that to a rook. Further-the Refs tend to have a pecking order-the bench bound garbage time rookie is the bottom of the food chain. Until such a guy gets beyond that stage-becomes relevant-the refs assume he's always at fault. You got to play through that stage-and the next one where a guy makes mistakes,loses focus. The Warriors have-for 12 years and counting---had nothing to lose.
I've realized something from coming to the Warriors forum every now and then. I really don't know that much about the Magic or just basketball in general as I think I do. Everytime I come to this board I learn something new and I really respect a lot of the members here. I know a lot of you are much older than me and that is part of the reason that you're so much more knowledgable than me but you guys really know your stuff and many of the members on JustBBall look up to you guys.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I've realized something from coming to the Warriors forum every now and then. I really don't know that much about the Magic or just basketball in general as I think I do. Everytime I come to this board I learn something new and I really respect a lot of the members here. I know a lot of you are much older than me and that is part of the reason that you're so much more knowledgable than me but you guys really know your stuff and many of the members on JustBBall look up to you guys.</div> You can learn a lot about what works, by consistently seeing what doesn't work.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">Indeed-decades of watching the Warriors has given me special talent for analyzing wreckage.</div> It's given me special powers over the draft...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">You can learn a lot about what works, by consistently seeing what doesn't work.</div> True words of wisdom.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">I've realized something from coming to the Warriors forum every now and then. I really don't know that much about the Magic or just basketball in general as I think I do. Everytime I come to this board I learn something new and I really respect a lot of the members here. I know a lot of you are much older than me and that is part of the reason that you're so much more knowledgable than me but you guys really know your stuff and many of the members on JustBBall look up to you guys.</div> Thanks for the comments, very much appreciated.
Warriors would be awesome if they could just stop repeating mistakes of the past. But it's like anytime the new inexperienced guy comes onboard, he's bound to make mistakes because he doesn't have the experience to know better and avoid potential mistakes made early on. I wish Mullin's predecessors could have warned him about balanced budget and putting market price on contracts. I'm not saying go the clippers route and go cheapskate and get nothing in return, but they need to make contracts tradeable, they need to put together a team that fits for once, and they need to make trades. You can't build a team by the draft alone. If there's a player we want, we've got to go after them and be prepared to give up something. I can't help but think some other teams would love to have a backup like Foyle or a player like Dunleavy if there deals weren't insane. I'm sure in attempt to state the obvious, there's a catch 22 in there somewhere.
Naw, I'm good. Thx though VC. BTW if sjcecran or gswhoops2 from espn is lurking around they should join up. I wouldn't mind a polar opposite like Billinder coming onboard to make for good discussion. I can definitely feel where he is coming from, but I don't agree with the approach. The approach to the problem can't be answered with what is available in free agency. It has to be a good trade that makes sense financially and for the fit of the team. We don't have this flexiblity right now thx to Mullin's '04 and '05 craziness. Mullin needs to make trades, good ones.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Warriors would be awesome if they could just stop repeating mistakes of the past. But it's like anytime the new inexperienced guy comes onboard, he's bound to make mistakes because he doesn't have the experience to know better and avoid potential mistakes made early on. I wish Mullin's predecessors could have warned him about balanced budget and putting market price on contracts. I'm not saying go the clippers route and go cheapskate and get nothing in return, but they need to make contracts tradeable, they need to put together a team that fits for once, and they need to make trades. You can't build a team by the draft alone. If there's a player we want, we've got to go after them and be prepared to give up something. I can't help but think some other teams would love to have a backup like Foyle or a player like Dunleavy if there deals weren't insane. I'm sure in attempt to state the obvious, there's a catch 22 in there somewhere.</div> I recall when I went on a construction job-the foreman gave me a 30 pound jackhammer to carve a 90 ft trench under a trailer. By the way-there's live gas-electric and water lines buried in there-so don't hit those.....well-by the time I got to the utilities I had 3 days with the tools- I could do dental work with that hammer. I chiseled clear the pipes and lines clean as hell. I got about $15 an hour. What's Monty paid? If it's above $15 an hour he better be competent after 3 days. Yeah-the Dunleavy signing was nuts. at the time i really could not believe he'd get a dime over $6 mill a year...and i didn't see where he was worth that. Dunleavy and Monty (now that Fish is out) top my to-do list. I have seen too much of Monty's dense,stubborn-yet ineffectual way of doing things. I feel That the problems-faults-flaws of various players-mostly are correctable-even EASILY corrected IF the coach can COACH. A Coach is by definition a person who instructs athletes in techniques and tactics,corrects mistakes,improves skills,merges individuals into a unit with common purpose-a family,an army of 15. @ years have passed...when's he gonna start COACHING? Dunleavy is basically an unpredictable-unreliable player. He teases with a few good games then sucks and stinks for a couple of weeks. He's been comeback player of the week about 50 times because the rest of the time he's a fiasco. If Pietrus ot Zarko got so many chances-they'd be damn good by now. i hate the injustice of it.
As for moves-we need to really MAXIMIZE the players we have. The Coach (whoever) will need to understand each guys assets-liabilities-work to improve on assets + reduce liabilities-and have a system/style that is built to FIT. I don't pay no coach millions if he's pulling a second hand plan out of a paper sack. I want old style craftsmanship,a deluxe,hand polished system that makes all our players look and play their max. I don't say we can make Foyle marketable-but if we up the market value of others-a lot-we are on the sweet end of the supply and demand thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size=""5"">Anyone want a debate?</font></div> i nominate myself to represent Warrior in debate. I possess great knowlege in Warriors and am very educated in English language.
