Maybe we could team up to write the accurate version of the Cohan era Warriors history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors Maybe not now, but sometime. The part about Saint Jean is very misleading. Not to mention there is no talk about past or present GMs like Twardzick or the effect Don Nelson had on us losing Webber (we gave up some future picks for this I believe). Anyway, feel free to laugh at how inaccurate the Cohan-era writer was and how much b.s. he/she is spreading to lay Warrior fans. We could also link back to our Warriors forum here after we've fixed it.
Oh, btw I looked on wikipedia because it's nearly impossible to find a history of general managers on the Warriors and the types of moves that were under their watch. I had to debunk a comment on another forum regarding Billy Owens for Mitch Richmond being under Gary St. Jean's watch. It was coach/gm Don Nelson who had guys like Mitch and Owens. That's where I'm coming from.
I thought it was drugs or something. Maybe it was his hair. LOL. BTW, I am grateful for the long time fans like Kwan, Wtwalker, REREM, and everybody here who has corrected me over the Vince Carter/Jamison deal or St. Jean/Twardzick dealings or myths about the old school Warriors where I might have not known any better because I was a n00b. More experienced and involved fans do help the next generation of fan.
Well, off the top of my head: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Oft-criticized GM Garry St. Jean (whom Warriors fans frequently referred to as "the worst GM in professional sports") brought in several players, such as Mark Price, Terry Cummings, John Starks, and Mookie Blaylock, who were well past their primes.</div> Mark Price was already there when Saint was hired, and in fact Saint traded him the fourth month Saint was on the job. Btw, if you type Garry St. Jean into wikipedia it redirects you to retard which I think is really juvenile. I'm guessing it was done by the same guy who wrote this...I hope (but do not assume) the irony was not lost on him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> In an effort to rebuild the team on the fly, St. Jean committed money to players like Jason Caffey and Chris Mills, but as a result was unable to re-sign up-and-coming star Gilbert Arenas, despite the fact that Arenas wanted to stay in Golden State. As a result, St. Jean was fired as GM of the Warriors in 2004. </div> Caffey was traded from the Warriors two years before they even drafted Arenas and Chris Mills contract expired before Arenas signed with the Wizards. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">[Mullin] is building the team around Richardson, Dunleavy, and Murphy--complementing them with experience in Derek Fisher, a free agent signed by Golden State after playing a key role on three championship Lakers squads, and Calbert Cheaney, a playoff-tested sharpshooter. </div> Not any more... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The team is also notoriously known for getting rid of players who later go on to become superstars and all-stars, and receiving little in return. This is also a reason why the team fails to reach the playoffs. The list includes: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Chris Webber, and Mitch Richmond.</div> Ok, not only did the Warriors not get rid of Arenas, they got screwed over so badly by Arenas leaving that the league institued a rule named after Arenas to prevent what happened to the Warriors from happening again to any other team. Custodian already mentioned Richmond. Ok, there's my charity work for the day. I propose Custodian rewrite the thing with the assistance of the awesome knowledge of Kwan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iLL PiLL:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL i remember Chris Porter! what the hell happened to that guy?!</div> He was caught speeding in the offseason after his surprisingly good rookie year. When the cop searched his car he found a gun Porter didn't have a license for, pot, and coke (not the legal kind). I miss Porter that guy was an incredible athlete.
Yeah, like what I said in ESPN, that part with Saint was really misinformed. And, it's funny that his 'mistakes' on that website were actually done by another GMs, and his 'better jobs' are done by him. I can provide raw informations, and if anybody disagree on my info, feel free to add/correct. Also, if anybody can correct that page, that would be really great as well. `After 92-93 season, Nelson made a blockbuster trade, which gave us Webber for A. Hardaway and 3 unprotected first round picks (96, 98, 00) `Cohan became an owner after 93-94 season. `in 94 offseason, the relationship between Nelson and Webber became beyond repair. Cohan chose Nelson over Webber, and we traded Gugliotta (SP?) and conditional 3 first round picks (96, 98, 00) for Webber. `Also in 94 offseason, Nelson drafted Rogers and Rozier. `During 94-95 season, Gugliotta never fit in with teammates, especially Sprewell. So, he was traded for Marshall. `Nelson was fired after 94-95 season. `Adelman and Twerdzik were hired after Nelson. `Twerdzik is known for infamous Smith and Fuller draft picks. He packaged 4 2nd round draft picks for Armstrong and signed Price. After Hardaway-Sprewell reached a boiling point, he traded Hardaway and Gatling for Willis and Coles. Hardaway and Gatling later made All-Star in Miami, while Willis played with Warriors for 28 games. Willis left Warriors after 95-96 season and continued number of productive years with other clubs. `Both Adelman and Twerzdik were fired after 96-97 season. `PJ was hired after them and after a lot of thought, PJ chose proven big man named Foyle over unproven young high school player named McGrady. `Saint was hired shortly after Foyle draft, and became a helper for PJ, who held the decision power. `PJ drafted Foyle, Jamison, and Jackson. Despite popular belief, Warriors never had a chance to acquire Carter, since the deal was prearranged. PJ also traded Dampier for Mullin and Blaylock, V. Cummings and future first round pick (Murphy) for 10th pick (Terry) and Foster. He also traded Sprewell for Starks, Mills and Cummings, which was basically the only option for Sprewell deal. `PJ and Sprewell were parted with infamous chocking incident. Warriors first tried to eliminate Sprewell's entire contract, but the arbitator decided to suspend Sprewell for one year. Therefore, Warriors were forced to trade Sprewell. `PJ was fired in the middle of 99-00 season. `Despite popular belief that Saint was hired ever since the earth started to cool down, he actually gained the decision after PJ was fired. Saint drafted Richardson, Murphy, Arenas, Dunleavy and Pietrus. He also traded Sprewell for Mills, 7th pick (Mihm) in 2000 season and Starks for Hughes. Saint gave Caffey 5 mils per year/5 years (I believe), Fortson 6 mils per year/6 years, Dampier 8 mils per year/6 years, Foyle 4 mils per year/6 years and Speedy for 3 mils/3 years. (not terribly sure about those numbers). He also hired Mussleman. `Arenas case was really unfortunate for number of ways. When Arenas was drafted, giving 2nd rounder more than a year length of contract was a rare case. Knowing Arenas can be a good player, Saint gave Arenas 2 years contract. Unfortunately, it was one year short for our comfort. Arenas blossomed in his 2nd year, and we had no chance of giving him more than MLE. To make things worse, new CBA salary cap increased teams that had close to MLE to 10 mils range. Arenas did want to stay with Warriors. However, Cohan refused to make an under-the-table deal, which Arenas signed one year deal, gained Bird right and signed with Warriors for max contract year later. `Saint was officially dismissed after 03-04 season. However, it is believed that he lost the power shortly after Pietrus draft (03 offseason), because he was never informed about Jamison trade, and he had to hear the trade news in TV. `Mullin was officially became VP after 03-04 season. However, it is believed that he gained power after Fitzgerald, Saint's right handed man, was fired. Mullin drafted Biedrins, Diogu, Ellis, Taft and POB. He also traded Jamison, Fortson, Mills and Welsch for NVE, A. Johnson, Eschmeyer, and Jones (assumed), which was basically a salary dump. He sign-and-trade Dampier, traded NVE for D. Davis, then traded D. Davis and Speedy for B. Davis, and Fisher for 3 expiring contracts. Mullin also signed Foyle for 8.5 mils/5 years, Fisher for 6 mils/6 years, Richardson for 12 mils/6 years, Murphy for 10 mils/6 years, and Dunleavy for 9 mils/6 years...
Ah this is great guys, thanks for your time. This will definitely help set the record straight when guys start coming into forums and start spreading a lot of unintentional lies.
That will be good. Also, we can save this info in the private forum incase some jokester wants to change it up to his taste. We can help source things as well
Sprewell-Webber and Owens formed their own little posse within yhe team. Webber lbbied for the warriors to deal for a real Center-so he could play PF. Nelly traded Owens for Seikaly. Webber and Spree wanted Mullin to be the guys getting booted. That put Webber into a funk--and the Warriors had given him an opt-ouut clause after him basically costing 4 lotto picks-plus we traded Tyrone Hill for a pick to have more bonus $ for Webber. Never lacking ego-Webber could not resist throwing around his power-but it backfired when Wash was willing to somewhat replace the 3 lost picks and give Gugliotta. That pretty much ended Sprewell as a team guy. Until they were gone Spree would never throw a catchable pass to Gugliotta or Siekaly. It's a surprise they didn't wear shin guards. Spree seemed to come up with an annual vendetta and would find a way to tank the game if not pandered to. He'd go zero D...or all 3's all the time...or blackhole ballhog,he wanted to keep his stats up-but force a coach to cave in. A couple of coaches resisted and got the axe. Adelman kissed Spree's butt,not that it helped much. PJ wasn't pampering Spree who by now was such a low % gunner he hardly had any star power left. The Sprewell era was hell. The Warriors had few assets,lots of worn retreads,mediocre coaching and a "Star" who was usually a major liability.
