we should definate build around Yao Ming. Think about it he will not only be great low post presence but he also a great center we never before had. Mullins should most definate trade for Yao or sign when contract expires. Bay Area has great Asian population perfect for Yao to feel at home. What you guys think?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post"> This franchise has made every mistake in the book the last decade ... - Poor draft selections - Overpaying role players - Letting talent leave and prosper elsewhere - Constantly changing the roster and coaching staff </div> Shape, I agree with 3 out of 4. I think the warriors drafts, especially in the last 5 years have been very solid.
Well Shape could have meant that our timing with our draft picks was pretty bad. Year '02 wasn't the draft to get a top 3. Yuck... Would have worked well for us in years '03, '04 (maybe) or '05. It might not land us a big man better than Ike, but we'd have a lot of nice point guard prospects to choose from that could contribute right away (Felton, Deron Williams, Ben Gordon, Chris Paul, Devin Harris, Dwade, Hinrich, TJ Ford, etc. We got Baron for nothing, but his health is killing the potential at that position. We need healthy point guard because point guard is the most important position on the floor when we lack an unbeatable inside-outside presence or dominant one-on-one players or defense like other huge playoff teams. If we look at Jason Kidd's Nets or Steve Nash's Suns minus Amare, you can see where the fuel comes from. When Baron operates at 100% he's better than Jrich, but for now Jrich will be the heart and soul of this team simply because he's more durable and reliable every night.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DTKennedy:</div><div class="quote_post">Shape, I agree with 3 out of 4. I think the warriors drafts, especially in the last 5 years have been very solid.</div> Lately, the drafts have been solid, but going back 10 years there's a lot of wasted picks .. 1996 - Todd Fuller / Marcus Mann 1997 - Adonal Foyle / Marc Jackson 1998 - Antawn Jamison plus cash swapped for Vince Carter 1999 - Vonteego Cummings 2001 - Great draft with JRich, Murphy, Arenas, but they let the best player of the trio leave 2002 - Mike Dunleavy Jr. / Steve Logan They've had 5 draft day debacles in the last 10 years and haven't landed a can't miss superstar despite being in the lottery for 10 straight seasons. The one player they did have, Arenas, signed elsewhere. It was a terrible decision on the Warriors part to not make space to re-sign Arenas. They had a trade in place to get them the cap room and Arenas wanted to remain a Warrior, but the team didn't feel he was worth the asking price. There's some hope with their latest draft picks Beans, Ike, Monta, Taft, Pietrus, & POB, but none have shown they are a can't miss prospect yet.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post"> The one player they did have, Arenas, signed elsewhere. It was a terrible decision on the Warriors part to not make space to re-sign Arenas. They had a trade in place to get them the cap room and Arenas wanted to remain a Warrior, but the team didn't feel he was worth the asking price. </div> I believe there was more to it than that, I remember Bob and Jim talking about it during one of their Q&A saying that the Warriors didn't have the bird rights to Arenas (because he was a 2nd round pick) and some other stuff saying the Warriors wanted to sign them but couldn't. Not exactly sure, maybe the Custodian can clear things up. But the rules changed and so they signed Ellis to a 3 year contract where they have his bird rights, in case he wants to pull an Arenas.
For Jamison, Warriors didn't had a chance to trade Carter. It was a move to secure Jamison from Dallas. For Arenas, Warriors had all intention to resign Arenas. However, they never had a chance to sign Arenas or had a trade to clean up caproom. Warriors tried to free up 10+ mils caproom in half of the season, but it was asking for a miracle. Warriors could have had a chance to sign Arenas for one year deal and give him a max deal by making under-the-table deal. But, Cohan decided not to risk. Also, it's not a given that Arenas could have Warriors when he received fat offers from both Washington and Clippers...
In a subsequent interview, Arenas said that he would have accepted the One Year Deal + under-the-table guarantee. He said the only reason why he turned it down is because Chris Cohan wouldn't look him straight in the eye and give him a verbal guarantee.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">For Jamison, Warriors didn't had a chance to trade Carter. It was a move to secure Jamison from Dallas. For Arenas, Warriors had all intention to resign Arenas. However, they never had a chance to sign Arenas or had a trade to clean up caproom. Warriors tried to free up 10+ mils caproom in half of the season, but it was asking for a miracle. Warriors could have had a chance to sign Arenas for one year deal and give him a max deal by making under-the-table deal. But, Cohan decided not to risk. Also, it's not a given that Arenas could have Warriors when he received fat offers from both Washington and Clippers...</div> Yes, you can argue there were circumstances and justification for the Warriors to take Jamison; but why make a commitment to a player of his caliber? Every scout had Vince Carter pegged as a can't miss superstar. Jamison is a solid player, but he's the classic tweener and hard to build around. Despite the obvious, the Warriors still felt they needed to draft him, overpay, and then watch him leave. The Jamison-Era was counter productive for this franchise and set it back at least 4 years. The Warriors could have definitely cleared cap space to keep Arenas. I forgot what the actual deal was (I believe it involved Danny Fortson), but Arenas has talked about it quite a few times. His agent had brokered a deal to keep Arenas in Golden State, but Cohen didn't want to commit to him. With the Warriors out of the picture Arenas wanted to play for the Lakers or Clippers. Lakers weren't intrested, so the two offers he decided between came down to the Clippers and Wizards. He let 10 flips of the coin decide which team he'd sign with.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">He let 10 flips of the coin decide which team he'd sign with.</div> Now that sounds exactly like Boy Wonder.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, you can argue there were circumstances and justification for the Warriors to take Jamison; but why make a commitment to a player of his caliber? Every scout had Vince Carter pegged as a can't miss superstar. Jamison is a solid player, but he's the classic tweener and hard to build around. Despite the obvious, the Warriors still felt they needed to draft him, overpay, and then watch him leave. The Jamison-Era was counter productive for this franchise and set it back at least 4 years. The Warriors could have definitely cleared cap space to keep Arenas. I forgot what the actual deal was (I believe it involved Danny Fortson), but Arenas has talked about it quite a few times. His agent had brokered a deal to keep Arenas in Golden State, but Cohen didn't want to commit to him. With the Warriors out of the picture Arenas wanted to play for the Lakers or Clippers. Lakers weren't intrested, so the two offers he decided between came down to the Clippers and Wizards. He let 10 flips of the coin decide which team he'd sign with.</div> PJ liked established college players or veterans. That's why he drafted Foyle over McGrady, and he traded Mookie over Terry, and in this case, PJ also probably rated Jamison over Carter. For Carter trade, Toronto had 4th pick, Warriors had 5th pick and Dallas had 6th pick. Toronto would draft Carter no matter what, and they were even thinking about moving up to draft him if needed. And, Warriors was sitting on Jamison with 5th pick. The problem was that Nelson also wanted Jamison and both Toronto and Dallas were discussing mildly. If Warriors really wanted Carter, they could have stayed silent and wait for Carter to fall. However, I don't think Toronto would have made the trade anyway since they liked Carter so much. In order to make sure that the deal won't go through Warriors made prearranged deal, like this year's 2nd and 4th pick, and Warriors gave up mere $250,000 (just a year ago, it took unprotected 1st rounder to swap 4th and 5th (Marbury-Allen)). I don't know how Jamison should be blamed for that era, considering he improved every year, consistant and relatively healthy throughout his stays with Warriors. Certainly Jamison was overpaid, but trading him for NVE and leave the future SF to Dunleavy was one of the bad mistakes Mullin made. If not, there was no reason for Warriors to pursue for Harrington, who's worse version of Jamison. For Arenas and caproom, I seriously doubt that Warriors could have freed up caproom to resign him. At the trade deadline, Saint was trying to unload Dampier and Foyle, both had higher trade value than Fortson because Fortson was considered as a cancer at that time, to create caproom at the trade deadline, but it was no avail. After all, Saint had half a season to unload 10+ mils out of nowhere, and that type of salary dump in half season seldom happens, if never. And, at that time, we really don't have a desirable chips to dump as well. If Warriors had a deal to free up caproom, they would definitely made that deal. In offseason, Arenas wanted to make under-the-table deal. However, Cohan didn't want it, maybe because he didn't want to follow Wolves' fate or he just didn't think he is worth a max. For coin toss, Clippers was chosen with coin toss, and he went Washington because of that...
Who are we going to build around? We've got the same starting team from last year. Who was it last season? Baron. Baron. Baron. It started out well and then disaster struck. After that he got injured. What's that Baron? You're not going to listen to Monty? You'll play streetball and shoot 3-balls. It's the only way we'll win. Whatever you say Baron. JRich step up to the plate. What's that JRich? You have to get surgery. Uhh... Ok. But you'll be ready when the season starts huh? Mickey D. You'll shoot better this year huh? 3-balls, elbow Js, perimeter shots. Whether guarded or left open. Are you going to take it to the rack Mikey? Uh Mikey. Mikey? Mikey? Where did he go? Troy Murphy, you da man! Are you gonna play some D this year and make about two to three assists a game. What? You're still looking for a fitness club membership. You haven't been working out much because you didn't renew your membership. You thought you were going to be traded and it seemed like a waste of money to renew. Adonal Foyle. Uhh... never mind OD. Go back to whatever you were doing -- writing poetry. There you have it. That's who the Warriors will build around this season. Head coach Mike Montgomery will see that it will be done.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">I believe there was more to it than that, I remember Bob and Jim talking about it during one of their Q&A saying that the Warriors didn't have the bird rights to Arenas (because he was a 2nd round pick) and some other stuff saying the Warriors wanted to sign them but couldn't. Not exactly sure, maybe the Custodian can clear things up. But the rules changed and so they signed Ellis to a 3 year contract where they have his bird rights, in case he wants to pull an Arenas.</div> Talk to Kwan or Walker for the Arenas situation. They know the previous CBA better than I do. They also know all the transaction moves prior to 2002.
