<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">R U Kidding me? Raivio nothing special? He's one of the best 3 point shooters in College basketball. He'll suprise a lot of people this year....</div> idk, i'll have to wait and see, but last year he didnt impress me enough to consider higher than top 10
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">idk, i'll have to wait and see, but last year he didnt impress me enough to consider higher than top 10</div> Even if you would rank Raivio just outside of your top ten collegiate point guards, that's still some pretty damn elite company considering that there are 334 division I colleges, each generally having two to four point guards on their roster. I don't doubt that Raivio is one of the top point guards in the game, but I am a bit concerned about the 'Zags fate being in his hands because he's not much of an offensive sparkplug. He can score if he's called upon to do so, but he's more comfortable being a distributer than a scorer, and losing one of the most dominant scorers the NCAA has seen in the last decade, Gonzaga needs a scoring threat more than ever. However, there are a few legit candidates on the 'Zags roster who could replace Morrison. The player everyone seems to be forgetting about, Josh Heytvelt, is who I'd consider the most likely of those candidates. The only question is whether or not he can play a full season without getting injured, because it was a foot injury that kept Heytvelt out for most of last season and kept him from becoming a household name. He's a long, athletic 6'11" power forward who bares a physical resemblance to Pau Gasol but is quicker at getting down the floor. With his health back, more minutes, and more touches, he's got a real chance at being an All-American when it's all said and done.
^^Yeah but top 10th isnt too great to lead a team to being ranked. I know that in college ball anyone can step up and have a breakout year, but i dont think raivio can lead this team to a top 25 spot without someone else doing great. Idk though, i never get to see west coast teams play, so i'll just wait till i see them this year a few times
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^Yeah but top 10th isnt too great to lead a team to being ranked. I know that in college ball anyone can step up and have a breakout year, but i dont think raivio can lead this team to a top 25 spot without someone else doing great. Idk though, i never get to see west coast teams play, so i'll just wait till i see them this year a few times</div> Are you blind? He just said there are 334 D1 programs, each team has like 2-4 PG's. He's in the top 10 of over 1000 players! I guess McRoberts or Aaron Gray won't be able to help their teams keep a top 25 ranking *sarcasm*
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting freshprinceofuk:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow Kentucky made his list.. At this point im not sure UK deserves to be top 25</div> Must agree. This team has the players to be a top twenty-five calibur team, but can Tubby use them in the right way? The starting five should be Ramel-PG, Crawford- SG, Perry- SF, Morris- PF, and Carter at center. Carter has reportedly gained a few pounds and has dominated in practice...but can that translate on when the season begins? So yeah, Kentucky has a many question marks before they can be labaled as a top twently-five team, IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you blind? He just said there are 334 D1 programs, each team has like 2-4 PG's. He's in the top 10 of over 1000 players! I guess McRoberts or Aaron Gray won't be able to help their teams keep a top 25 ranking *sarcasm*</div> dude, we are talking about top 25 teams, not effing 100 through 334. I doubt any one of those teams have a top ten point. Plus we arent talking about freakin backups. He is abviously a starter. So for a team that is relying on a borderline top ten point, who isnt much of a scorer is crazy for me to be a top 25 team. Please name the top ten pg's, and honestly tell me any of them are on a horrible team (125-334) or second, third string.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">dude, we are talking about top 25 teams, not effing 100 through 334. I doubt any one of those teams have a top ten point. Plus we arent talking about freakin backups. He is abviously a starter. So for a team that is relying on a borderline top ten point, who isnt much of a scorer is crazy for me to be a top 25 team. Please name the top ten pg's, and honestly tell me any of them are on a horrible team (125-334) or second, third string.</div> Off the top of my head, this is my top ten: (in alphabetical order) Bobby Brown (Cal State Fullerton) Brandon Cotton (UD-Mercy) Brandon Heath (San Diego St.) Dominic James (Marquette) Acie Law IV (Texas A&M) Derek Raivio (Gonzaga) Mustafa Shakur (Arizona) Sean Singletary (Virginia) Ron Steele (Alabama) Rodney Stuckey (Eastern Washington) Out of that list you've got at least three players who play for bottom tier teams. It's a bit of a mood point though, because the point isn't where you'd rank Raivio. I could really care less how he compares to the NCAA's other point guards. It's how he runs the 'Zags offense and how he makes his teammates better by finding them in great positions to score that's important. You really shouldn't have any doubts that Raivio is a born leader and an excellent 'pure' point guard. The only thing that you should be doubting is whether or not he has the scoring options alongside of him to lead the team to a successful season, and I think he does with Heytvelt, Pargo, and Gurganious returning.
Nobody likes Mike Nardi as PG... Thats his natural position, he played that in high school. Also Neitzel should be top ten.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting XQzMe:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody likes Mike Nardi as PG... Thats his natural position, he played that in high school. Also Neitzel should be top ten.</div> Who said anything about Mike Nardi? He's a nice player and the last couple years didn't get a chance to play PG because of Lowry and Foye. He may not be a top ten point guard this year but he'll be up there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting XQzMe:</div><div class="quote_post">Also Neitzel should be top ten.</div> I don't know about top ten, but he'd be close to it. He really needs to be more assertive on the offensive end. At Wyoming High School, he was a 33 point per game scorer, but after a two year career as a starter at Michigan State, his career high is nineteen points, and that came against lowly Penn State. I think that a lot of that has to do with the fact that he had three All-American caliber players to feed the ball to in Brown, Davis, and Ager, but he still seemed afraid to be selfish. He's not a bad shooter. He's actually one of the most consistent shooters on the team and can shoot with both hands, but if he's not going to take those shots, that doesn't matter. What I would ideally like to see from Michigan State this year is an offense with an emphasis on feeding the ball into their bigs, who still have a size and skill advantage over a lot of teams even without Davis, and that's something which they really should have done more last season, when Davis went largely unutilized in Big 10 action. Marquise Gray is the most athletic player on the roster and probably has the most scoring potential, Drew Naymick and Goran Suton are both above average centers by NCAA standards and have developed very nicely on both ends of the floor, and Idong Ibok could be relied upon to log some minutes this season. Ibok's raw, but Izzo's had more than two years to work with him. A 6'11" center with a standing reach of 9'3" should be effective on the collegiate level even with the basic skill level that Ibok has.
^^I dont see him as a pure point really. Nardi should be really good this with not a lot of options left at nova. I really dont get why lowry left
I'd be willing to bet Okie State finishes with a better record than GTech does. There is absolutely no way those young freshman are going to make GTech a top-25 team this season. They have been overrated in every pre-season poll I've seen so far. I just don't see it. Villanova will have a tough time doing great things in the Big East after losing so much to the NBA. I know they have Curtis Sumpter back, but how much less effective will he be after major surgery? That will be a huge key. Luckily for Nova, a lot of teams in the Big East lost key parts. Also, Ohio State will have to prove some things to me before I rate them so high. Those young guys haven't showed me anything at the college level yet. I would have Florida #1 for obvious reasons. They won it all last season, and they have everyone back. Why the hell wouldn't they be #1? Oh well. I'm very excited for the upcoming season, and it's still three months away for crying out loud.
Kyle says his dream has always been to be in the NBA, I guess he felt his stock was high, and he was unsure about how the next years would be on his draft stock.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you blind? He just said there are 334 D1 programs, each team has like 2-4 PG's. He's in the top 10 of over 1000 players! I guess McRoberts or Aaron Gray won't be able to help their teams keep a top 25 ranking *sarcasm*</div> RAIVIO TOP 10 PG IN THE NATION? ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS? NEXT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THAT MIKE NARDI IS TOP 15??? GUYS GET OFF RAIVIO'S NUTS UNTIL WE SEE WHAT HE CAN DO WITHOUT MORRISON
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gee_Dupe11:</div><div class="quote_post">Watch out for Boston College, we Tyrese Rice, Sean Marshall, Sean Williams, and ofcourse Mr.Dudley</div> Da Da Da Da Daaaa Da, Da Da Da Da Daaaa, F*** 'EM UP! F*** 'EM UP! BC SUCKS! GO BU! GO BU! Oh and Arizona would have raped BC if we had got past Villanova.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you blind? He just said there are 334 D1 programs, each team has like 2-4 PG's. He's in the top 10 of over 1000 players! I guess McRoberts or Aaron Gray won't be able to help their teams keep a top 25 ranking *sarcasm*</div> RAIVIO TOP 10 PG IN THE NATION? ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS? NEXT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THAT MIKE NARDI IS TOP 15??? GUYS GET OFF RAIVIO'S NUTS UNTIL WE SEE WHAT HE CAN DO WITHOUT MORRISON <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gee_Dupe11:</div><div class="quote_post">Watch out for Boston College, we Tyrese Rice, Sean Marshall, Sean Williams, and ofcourse Mr.Dudley</div> Da Da Da Da Daaaa Da, Da Da Da Da Daaaa, F*** 'EM UP! F*** 'EM UP! BC SUCKS! GO BU! GO BU! Oh and Arizona would have raped BC if we had got past Villanova.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bengcord3:</div><div class="quote_post"> Oh and Arizona would have raped BC if we had got past Villanova.</div> Too bad Nova won. Anyway if you raped BC, then you could say you lost to the NC, cause the Gators woulda killed you.
