2006 offseason Trade Scenarios... anyone?

Remember, the time when we had trade scenarios where we got other team fans and cap experts to judge its fairness and its legality under the collective bargaining agreement? We should start this up.

I'll start off with one and it's controversial and I have doubts about it and so might Miami Fans.

It would be Troy Murphy for Antoine Walker.

Murphy would be a PF to help space the floor and rebound along with Shaq.
Miami could then re-sign James Posey to play SF, Murphy to play PF, and develop Dorrell Wright to play either SG or SF. This might be better than waiting for Wayne Simien to develop offense.

On the Warriors end they get a journeyman all-star, all-around player whose biggest flaws are sort of like Baron Davis (weight gain, shot selection, free throws) and that of Ike Diogu's (just an okay athlete). Antoine Walker also has an option year in 2009 which means he could be traded as early as 2008. Although he can be a chucker and a bricker at the free throwline, his contract really ain't that bad and he solves the small forward problem temporarily if we can afford his flaws and the fact he's now 30. He does have the ability to score big once he's rolling, he can pass, has excellent court vision and good ballhandling skills for his size. He can also help some out on the glass at SF, PF, or C. I prefer if he weighs down though if he can like in Dallas.

Thoughts? Is it lopsided?

 

Another is find underrated talent maybe one or two year deals for guys wanting to play again or needing another shot at the NBA.

Dajuan Wagner at SG (should be healthy now).
Jay Williams at SG (might be recovered enough to play)
Maybe pick up Oriene Greene at SG.
See if Kerry Kittles still wants to play at SG (may be recovered enough to play)
Ron Mercer SF (may be recovered enough to play)
Or if we want try out a SF project what about Ndudi Ebi?

 

The Toine trade is pretty interesting, I've always thought that the perfect team for Murph would be the Heat, he can just camp out and shoot uncontested Js, and then collect all the defensive rebounds while Shaq takes up space.

I've always been a huge Toine fan, he generally loves hoops and competing but he's so lazy. Maybe he could light a fire under some of our guys though, he doesn't mind mixing it up. He'd be perfect to come off the bench, but would he be willing? Obviously he was willing with the Heat, but they won the championship, we're a little further away from that. Or do you start him and have Dunleavy come off the bench, where I've long thought he could be most effective, handling the ball more, initiating the offense, taking pressure off of Monta from always handling the ball with the second team, being a primary scorer.

I think it's a risk, but at this point I'd willing to it, the only worry is that Toine would pull a Van Exel and not want to be here.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Another is find underrated talent maybe one or two year deals for guys wanting to play again or needing another shot at the NBA.

Dajuan Wagner at SG (should be healthy now).
Jay Williams at SG (might be recovered enough to play)
Maybe pick up Oriene Greene at SG.
See if Kerry Kittles still wants to play at SG (may be recovered enough to play)
Ron Mercer SF (may be recovered enough to play)
Or if we want try out a SF project what about Ndudi Ebi?</div>

If we have to pick up Kittles or Mercer I may try to refund my season tickets. I'd much rather go for Casey Jacobson who was tearing up the summer leagues and is familiar with Monty.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">If we have to pick up Kittles or Mercer I may try to refund my season tickets. I'd much rather go for Casey Jacobson who was tearing up the summer leagues and is familiar with Monty.</div>

I wouldn't mind Casey. Isn't he in the Italian league somewhere?

 

I know he just turned down the Nuggets offer, because he is waiting to see what else is out there and they weren't offering much.

 

I like Jacobsen as an all-around basketball player with tremendous shot range and finesse, but the guy is just no athlete to hang at the two guard position. Maybe if he becomes a small forward? I thought he was a good college player, but at the nba level he pretty much became a role player.

 

I would do Murphy for Walker if the deal could help clear some capspace for the future. However Walker has just as many years left on his contract as Murphy, so I would be against doing this type of deal. Murphy is younger, taller, a better shooter by percentages, and a better rebounder. Defensively the team doesn't really need another 6-9 below-average to average defenders, compared to a 6-11 PF with pretty long arms, though Murphy still has a few things to learn to get better here too.

Casey Jacobsen would be nice to have, to put him in at the SF position off the bench to knock down some shots from the outside. He could be like instant scoring for this team, in a Brian Cardinal type of role. The problem with this, is that the roster is pretty much filled with a 15 man roster and finding players to be in the inactive roster is tough, much less cutting a player to have Casey on the team. Well maybe cutting Owens could be easier than finding Casey a spot on the active roster but part of that is my ignorance of who Owens really is as a player. Kind of off topic, but I remember Jacobsen and Dunleavy in that McDonald's all-star game and in college. I liked Casey more than Dunleavy back then, but Dunleavy ended up with that height advantage, which definitley helped him get drafted much higher than Casey and stay in the NBA better.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">I would do Murphy for Walker if the deal could help clear some capspace for the future. However Walker has just as many years left on his contract as Murphy, so I would be against doing this type of deal. Murphy is younger, taller, a better shooter by percentages, and a better rebounder. Defensively the team doesn't really need another 6-9 below-average to average defenders, compared to a 6-11 PF with pretty long arms, though Murphy still has a few things to learn to get better here too.
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Well he does have that team option year in '09 I think (according to hoopshype). He is a star player on a not-so loaded team like the Hawks or '02 Celtics that can start and do the all-around things that Dunleavy can do (only better) except shoot free throws better and not shoot the three pointer so much. I think maybe Walker could be our version of Dallas' Jerry Stackhouse. Toine would be good off the bench or starting depending on the situation (short term of course 2-3 years max before he's dealt).


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">
Casey Jacobsen would be nice to have, to put him in at the SF position off the bench to knock down some shots from the outside. He could be like instant scoring for this team, in a Brian Cardinal type of role. The problem with this, is that the roster is pretty much filled with a 15 man roster and finding players to be in the inactive roster is tough, much less cutting a player to have Casey on the team. Well maybe cutting Owens could be easier than finding Casey a spot on the active roster but part of that is my ignorance of who Owens really is as a player. Kind of off topic, but I remember Jacobsen and Dunleavy in that McDonald's all-star game and in college. I liked Casey more than Dunleavy back then, but Dunleavy ended up with that height advantage, which definitley helped him get drafted much higher than Casey and stay in the NBA better.</div>
Yeah, I agree it's getting crowded... freakin' Mullin. I loved Casey's consistent 30 foot jump shot. Wow. Area code J.

 

plus maybe Casey could explain to the other players just what the hell Monty is trying to do

 

Better than Harrington, though! IMO, of course.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">It would be Troy Murphy for Antoine Walker.
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Oh gawd, that trade is great for Miami, but crap for the Warriors IMO. Walker is a little poopy-pants, whiny-baby temper tantrum toddler and that would suck to have to root for his candy a$$.

BTW What's up with Ebi?

 

BTW What's up with Ebi?[/QUOTE]

he sucks

 

[quote name='AlleyOop']Oh gawd, that trade is great for Miami, but crap for the Warriors IMO. Walker is a little poopy-pants, whiny-baby temper tantrum toddler and that would suck to have to root for his candy a$$.

I think Toine has grown up a bit, and could be that vocal leader we've been missing since Timbug

 

Ebi was playing in the NBDL last spring. He didn't seem to work out in Minnesota for reasons that I am ignorant of. But he had a few box scores in his very limited time of playing, since he's played very few minutes thus far in his career in the NBA, where he looked very impressive. He's a great rebounder and shot blocker and very athletic. I don't know much else about him though. Here is his NBA bio/stats http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ndudi_ebi/index.html Here is his NBDL bio/stats http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/ndud...x.html?nav=page

I agree with RunBJM about having Walker and Baron on the same team. Then include that Jason Richardson shot the most three pointers per game on the team last year, that will mean that there will be a lot of 3point shooting with this type of lineup, that is if Montgomery could take charge and lead a team and get them to play a certain way and succeed, which hasn't been done yet.

 

I would do Murphy for Walker for a number of reasons.

-Toine can play 20min at PF and 10 at SF. So you get a very talented piece to man the 4 and backup 3, while still affording major minutes to Ike.

-Because of the option year, we can hang on to him another year in case Ike develops more slowly. I don't think that will happen because Ike is quite polished already, but we'd have that extra insurance.

-In 2008, the deal changes from murphy for walker into murphy for walker and whatever we can get for his large expiring deal.

Sold. Where do i sign?

 

by the way if we ever were to get Antoine, there is no chance that Monty could coach both him and Baron

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">by the way if we ever were to get Antoine, there is no chance that Monty could coach both him and Baron</div>

Since when did Monty coach??

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when did Monty coach?? </div>

relinquish the title then