Man, I hate arguements that use rings as an excuse as to why someone is better. Really, anyone can win a ring. Like Andrew Toney for example. God.
KG is KG, there is no player alike in the NBA right now. KG is the only player that stands out when it comes to position players. He can play the 2-3-4-5, Bosh on the other hand can only play 4-5.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, I hate arguements that use rings as an excuse as to why someone is better. Really, anyone can win a ring. Like Andrew Toney for example. God.</div> In the case of these two players though, they would have to lead their team to a title. There's still the fact that a lot depends on the GM. But if both franchsie players have a contending team around them at some point (KG already has), than the championship argument makes sense.
I don't see greatness or "eliteness" stemming from Bosh, but I hope I am proved wrong. As someone already mentioned, I see him as a JO type of player, with the regular 22/10's, a nice midrange game and a scorer's mentality (even though JO posesses less of that then Bosh IMO). If we're talking individual comparison wise, not barring team championships and all that, Bosh is not even close to KG at this point and time. Furthermore, I don't believe Bosh will win MVP either at any point in his career (especially with Melo, Wade, LBJ always being in the run in the coming years). Yes, I realize that he is only 20 something and I may sound a bit pessimistic but my expectations for Bosh aren't through the roof like they are for Wade and Lebron. I think he is a great player, but once again, I'm not sure if his appeal (which ultimately matters when trying to be on someone's level in basketball), nor his playing skills will equalize to KG's, much less surpass them.
I think Bosh has actually got a chance....KG is great, but somewhat overrated in the public eye imo....if Bosh can be a 22 and 10 guy a night and have more success in the playoffs then I could definitely see it happen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, I hate arguements that use rings as an excuse as to why someone is better. Really, anyone can win a ring. Like Andrew Toney for example. God.</div> It's always in perspective though. Darko winning a ring is not the same thing as Wade winning a ring. Also for guys like Stockton and Malone, not one cares, we all know it was Jordan and Pippen's fault.
To be honest, back in his rookie season, I didn't think Bosh was a franchise player, and I've been proven wrong (which is a good thing), and right now I don't think he's a KG caliber player in his prime. Look at Chris Webber in his prime, in Sacramento he was a very dominate forward and helped the Kings to elite status. He was always one of thebest PF's in the league but never really at the level of Bosh or Duncan. I think that's going to be the case with Bosh. While I do believe he'll be one of the top PF's among the young players (Howard, Amare) who knows if he'll ever reach the dominance KG has on the boards and defensive ends. I can't see it though but I'm hoping for it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">To be honest, back in his rookie season, I didn't think Bosh was a franchise player, and I've been proven wrong (which is a good thing), and right now I don't think he's a KG caliber player in his prime. Look at Chris Webber in his prime, in Sacramento he was a very dominate forward and helped the Kings to elite status. He was always one of thebest PF's in the league but never really at the level of Bosh or Duncan. I think that's going to be the case with Bosh. While I do believe he'll be one of the top PF's among the young players (Howard, Amare) who knows if he'll ever reach the dominance KG has on the boards and defensive ends. I can't see it though but I'm hoping for it.</div> This should say KG
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Justbringit2422:</div><div class="quote_post">KG is KG, there is no player alike in the NBA right now. KG is the only player that stands out when it comes to position players. He can play the 2-3-4-5, Bosh on the other hand can only play 4-5.</div> there is no player alike EVER, and i really doubt there ever will be. I doubt anyone will even be as passionate as KG, i think he was even moreso than MJ. And KG played the point way more than the 2, and about the same as he did the 5.
KG can play all 5 positions, he was running point when Cassell and Sprewell were on the team when Cassell was on the bench resting in the playoffs. Although KG isn't as dominant as he is before cuz he use to just carry the Twolves alone into the first round and now he can't for some reason. Bosh tends to just drive/beat his man with his quickness and mid range jump shot. While KG can post, shoot 3s, dish it out and plenty more. Probably in a few seasons he can be as good as him but better? i don't know.
To all those ring lovers... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Awards and honors only indirectly indicate greatness, and so I don't consider them particularly accurate. A player who was overrated, plays in a big market, or played during a time when there weren't a lot of other popular players at his position might get a ton of such honors. So what? Basically, by using such honors to guage a player's abilities, you're essentially basing your opinion on the opinions of others, instead of the player's actual abilities. As for championships, I think they might be the most overrated "stat" in sports. Jordan was a great player, probably the greatest ever, not because he won 6 championships but because he played at an unbelievably high level in the playoffs. That's what I look at ... how the players actually played. Whether or not they eventually won the championship (or many championships), from the perspective of judging individual greatness, is incidental. </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Bosh has actually got a chance....KG is great, but somewhat overrated in the public eye imo....if Bosh can be a 22 and 10 guy a night and have more success in the playoffs then I could definitely see it happen.</div> How is this overrated? what about this? Or this Not this I hope What about this for goodness sake? HS flashback Whats this? I would just hate to overrate the guy I mean jokingly, when Bosh gets that many highlights then he will be better than KG.
IMO KG is actually underrated but Bosh has a Change to be the next KG.....but he was a long way KG is best player in the league period(.)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">there is no player alike EVER, and i really doubt there ever will be. I doubt anyone will even be as passionate as KG, i think he was even moreso than MJ. And KG played the point way more than the 2, and about the same as he did the 5.</div> Magic Johnson could play all 5 positions. Lamar Odom is also a guy that can play all-around the court. Magic could actually start at the positions though while you're not going to start KG at PG or SG, actually I don't ever see him play SG, he just has spot minutes at PG. You could also say Bird was KG before KG, can't say he had the same positional versatility, neither was he as good a rebounder (not a bad one by any means, 10 RPG), but he was a better scorer, shooter, and passer at the SF/PF spot.
the more we (raptor fans) discuss the comparison, the less creditibility the raptor forum receives. lets put everything in perspective- chris bosh is on the bubble to make the american team, in spite of the gm being the father of his teams gm. kevin garnett is a first ballot hall of famer, chris bosh is a first time all star in a conference with a shortage of pf's. chris bosh passes like a girl, dribbles like me and defends like his opponet has an infectious disease; kevin garnett is the antithesis of that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">the more we (raptor fans) discuss the comparison, the less creditibility the raptor forum receives. lets put everything in perspective- chris bosh is on the bubble to make the american team, in spite of the gm being the father of his teams gm. kevin garnett is a first ballot hall of famer, chris bosh is a first time all star in a conference with a shortage of pf's. chris bosh passes like a girl, dribbles like me and defends like his opponet has an infectious disease; kevin garnett is the antithesis of that.</div> Quite direct, but I agree with everything.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">the more we (raptor fans) discuss the comparison, the less creditibility the raptor forum receives. lets put everything in perspective- chris bosh is on the bubble to make the american team, in spite of the gm being the father of his teams gm. kevin garnett is a first ballot hall of famer, chris bosh is a first time all star in a conference with a shortage of pf's. chris bosh passes like a girl, dribbles like me and defends like his opponet has an infectious disease; kevin garnett is the antithesis of that.</div> So I guess you're saying at the age of 22, Bosh has hit his peak and it's all downhill from here. He isn't going to improve at all? Was Kevin Garnett the player he is now during his third season? Please read the actual question posed in the first post. It's not who is better right now. Don't you think it's kind of unfair to compare the accomplishments of someone who played 11 seasons in the league with someone who has played 3? If you're going to make comparisons, why don't we compare where Garnett was at Bosh's age right now (22): CB: 39.3 MPG 22.5 PPG 9.2 RPG 2.6 APG .505 FG% 1.1 BPG KG: 39.3 MPG 18.5 PPG 9.6 RPG 4.2 APG .491 FG% 1.8 BPG
KG > CB4 KG is one player that comes once in many years. It is rare to find a player like him. But CB4 plays a lot like him and fills the stat sheets as well as KG does. But KG puts a little bit more IMO. If CB4 improves as he is doing now, he will get close to being as good as KG. But I dont think he can be as good as KG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">So I guess you're saying at the age of 22, Bosh has hit his peak and it's all downhill from here. He isn't going to improve at all? Was Kevin Garnett the player he is now during his third season? Please read the actual question posed in the first post. It's not who is better right now. Don't you think it's kind of unfair to compare the accomplishments of someone who played 11 seasons in the league with someone who has played 3? If you're going to make comparisons, why don't we compare where Garnett was at Bosh's age right now (22): CB: 39.3 MPG 22.5 PPG 9.2 RPG 2.6 APG .505 FG% 1.1 BPG KG: 39.3 MPG 18.5 PPG 9.6 RPG 4.2 APG .491 FG% 1.8 BPG</div> I don't think deception was being ignorant of Bosh's potential to improve. Those stats, despite a small difference, don't really tell the whole story. At age 22, Garnett showed much better passing, rebounding, and defensive ability. It was only a natural progression of improving upon skills that he already had, that lead him to where he is today. Bosh, on the other hand, hasn't shown nearly the skill in passing and defense that Garnett did. Unlike KG, Bosh will most likely have to alter his approach to defense and passing to come close to Garnett's versatility and dominance.
I agree that KG's defense, rebounding and passing are at a level that Bosh likely won't surpass but he used the fact that KG is a future hall of famer and Bosh having just made one all star game. You can't compare KG's career to Bosh's career right now because he's only been in the league for 3 years.
